So, having been curious for a while, as I seem to remember someone fairly recently saying LJ was still worthwhile, and seeing the recent FOF, I did some tests on test center. The set up was fairly simple - 40 hci/100 dam inc/ 120 swords/tact/anat and +/- 100 LJ. Using ornates and exec axes with high ssi/damage increase/ and hci. I wasn't so much worried about hit spells or any of that as that is easy to calculate. It's been a few days now so I forget what my numbers were exactly, but never once in all of my adjustments did I see more than an increase of one damage with LJ over the max damage of an axe without LJ. Can anyone confirm this or was I doing something wrong? I understand there are a million ways to increase your damage output with bush/chiv/necro whatever...but at the base of all that it shouldn't matter. I cannot see how spending 100 points on LJ is at all viable for PVP or PVM. I guess as someone who does both, it just seems like the better way to go would be bush/chiv or even straight bush without LJ, as even the 60 necro could give you better damage than that.