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Time for a Tram only shard

Discussion in 'UHall' started by HD2300, Dec 29, 2008.

  1. HD2300

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    PvPers have Seige. It is time for PvMers to have a Tram only shard.

    This will bring back many former players, most of whom were PvMers, to the game. It will revive UO because the majority of the market wants PvE. Think how popular WOW is, but imagine it with better systems. It is what the masses want. This could be a huge selling point when SA is released to attract back former players.

    You will still can have wars between guilds, but only if both guilds want it. Factions will work as is.

    I think this would be awesome. You would have 2 or 3 super shards which would be filled with players.

    EA would make truckloads of $$$. Either mass sales of transfer tokens, or if it is like Siege with one character per account, people would open up more accounts.

    Credit for this idea goes to Speedy Orkit.
     
  2. Sunrise

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    you do bring up alot of good points...

    You say a trammy shard only..Ok lets make this a little more fun then...You can not transfer to or from this shard...Also make it Seige ROT set.. :D

    Im for it..
     
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    I was under the impression that pvp was consensual on all shards. But whatever. I guess us having 1 facet you dont HAVE TO GO TO is just to much for the pvpers.
     
  4. Cear Dallben Dragon

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    WHAT?!

    Every shard but siege is a tram only shard.... unless you go to fel right?

    I guess theres one benefit, you can get powerscrolls.

    what else is there?
     
  5. Sam the Scribe

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    Also a special shard for Alchemists! Filled with Lava Pits and Boglings and other horrors!

    Safe Travels, Sam
     
  6. Viper09

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    Sounds good, but I have one question:

    How will this shard be different than all shards as it is? There is only one facet where PvP is, you have trammel, ilshenar, tokunu, malas, T2A, and whatever I am missing; all of which are trammel ruleset. If we make a trammel only shard, the only difference between the trammel only shard and all production shards will just be one less facet and factions in trammel.

    Well, ok, maybe the only real difference will be powerscrolls and champions without PvP.

    So in reality, you basically have this option on all production shards since you do not HAVE to go to fel. In my opinion this would simply be a waste of money.
     
  7. Duskofdead

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    PvP'ers both here on the forums and in-game let it be known, with the volume of wounded water buffalos, that absolutely the only point or worthwhile aspect of the game, whatsoever, is PvP.

    And, if you're around PvE Guilds... or players in general, really, it quickly becomes obvious the overwhelming majority of them never go to Felucca, for anything. And raise an eyebrow like you're an utter moron if you see any point in going, other than to get ganked.

    So, why pretend the crowds want to be together? I see no reason to believe that they do. The only effect whatsoever on most shards is that the cost of PvP gear and consumables is absolutely priced through the roof. This forces most Trammelites to either deck out a near full character roster of crafters or, mostly, do without the nice stuff unless they buy gold or something.

    Having a majority population farming away and crafting stuff that PvP'ers buy up works great for PvP'ers. I can't say, however, that having PvP'ers around does very much at all to the advantage of PvM'ers, other than for the few who own the enormously large vendor houses on the shards and have multiple accounts of GM craftsmen and the time to sit home hunting IDOCs all day...

    If PvP'ers had to switch over to a craftsman alt and go gather their own resources or make a lot of their own consumables in the wilderness in a Felucca-only shard.... they'd suddenly "see the problem" with so-called PvP in UO. ;)
     
  8. Arcus

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    Just don't go to Fel. Whats so hard about that? Nothing. This subject is another dead horse.
     
  9. UOKaiser

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    I believe the real reason is because of the changes. When something is changed in pvp it effects pvm and vice versa. I think either make sure that chages made do not effect each side. If a balance"nerf" is needed in pvp then make sure it doesnt effect pvm in any way and vice versa. By having a tram only shard perhaps the changes there will be less horrible when they decide to nerf a skill in the tram-fel shards. Though as they end up forcing siege to put up with it and changes only good for siege going into production I believe this idea will be messed up as well.
     
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    lol.

    A lot of things that shouldn't be in Felucca still leak through the publishes and into Siege slowly. You can't stop it...

    The idea of a Tram shard is a waste of time. You already have oodles of them. PvPers buy from PvMers... PvMers really think that prices are inflated because they can't get to them? Then why do things like crimson cintures and crystalline rings go for so much? Anyone can get them...

    I've done hundreds of champion spawns over the past 3 years on Siege.. and to this day, I have yet to see a +20 magery drop at a spawn I've done.

    Just because you have access to something... doesn't mean you will automatically get it either.

    I think the devs are on the right path. Look at this last publish... this "war of shadows" its flipping awesome. The publish had something for everyone!

    Point is... this game is meant for us all to be smashed together and interacting with eachother.

    thanks, k bah
     
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    The only good thing that would come out of it is there would only be smithing and tailoring power scrolls.
     
  12. Viper09

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    Well I think the idea would be to add in the champ spawns to the tramy shard. That is the only difference one would see in a tram only shard aside from missing the fel facet.
     
  13. UOKaiser

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    There is no way to stop it thats true the dev we had have always done this 1 rule for everything. The time to this was right before trammel was created to create pvp servers and pvm servers allowing only concentual battles and guild system battles in pvm servers. Then publish updates seperatly for both worlds not letting one thing mess whith the other, But it's way too late many many many years too late.
     
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    I think we've seen with Siege, that there will always be an element of spillover from production shards to Siege, and therefore to any Tram only shards. And some players on the Tram only shard would want some of the spillover content while others disagree with them. I don't think it would be as great a solution as some players think... and yes, you could just avoid that 1 facet on the moongate menu... :D

    I honestly don't mind if Tram players get their own shard. If Tram players think it's not enough to just avoid 1 little facet then let them all congregate somewhere. Then the next time someone whines that they can't get PS without PvPing, we all know where to send them *evil grin*

    Heck, let's be real nice, give then a super fast skill gain system, eliminate the need to wait for vet rewards, replace insurance with item bless deeds and block monsters from looting any corpses. Just think how much quieter UHall would be if we had an easy Tram shard or 2. Then the production shards could maintain challenging gameplay while the folks who find it too tough can go play the Tram shard. Like the opposite of Siege :)

    Then all we need is a sandbox test center were players can suggest their ideas for improving UO and once a week the devs put the best one in to test it out. Then all the armchair experts who just *know* they have the perfect fix for something, could be silenced when they realise it doesn't actually work. And the true genius player with a solid idea may see it implemented.

    I'm not sure if UHall would be redundant after all that though :D Mind you, maybe it would become a forum for discussion rather than rants and whines lol. We can but hope...

    Wenchy
     
  15. Petrify

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    I really hope the OP is trolling.
     
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    That is the point. PvEers want to participate in all content available in a game in their playstyle of choice.

    I like killing monsters, but dont like attacking other players. For me spending an hour attacking or defending a chokepoint isnt fun. It is not only my playstyle, but the majority of players in the MMO market.

    UO needs to look to the future and provide content that the majority wants, not focus on a niche market that is ultra competitive.

    I believe a Tram only shard, will be even more successful than Siege, and bring lots of cash into EA.
     
  17. Viper09

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    But you can do that in all facets except 1, fel, which has an exact replica called trammel. Your main goal is simply to have access to champ spawns outside of fel, correct? It's just not worth creating another shard for it.

    *Plus, it's only a matter of time before trammel side get their own PvP free champ spawn(s) for power scrolls and harrower.
     
  18. Surgeries

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    Yeah!! And nasty slimey Slimes too!!

    Dang Over Powered Alchemists!!

    Meh...if only a Dev...ANY Dev, would have thought this through...but no...just throw Alchemists in the game, and RUIN my fun!!:twak:
     
  19. HD2300

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    I believe it is worth it. Just like Siege has been successful in retaining subscribers and getting them to open up more accounts, a Tram only shard would do the same. It would be an exciting fresh start from scratch for everyone who creates a character there.
     
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    you have it wrong. Siege is not a Felucca shard. Felucca is totally different than Siege is.
     
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    I would try a Trammel only shard that had rules similar to SP. Basically a veteran shard that has it's challenges, but does not have the pvp element to it. I doubt we would get it though. SP does not really get the attention it deserves as it is, so we don't need another neglected shard. :(
     
  22. Tazar

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    I'd do a trammy only shard - just to get away from the PVP smack-talking teenagers...
     
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    It would have been nice to have the shards separated in the beginning. A tram shard would prolly fill up quick though. If they allowed xfers it would be packed. Funny because the same could be said for a decent classic shard.
     
  24. if EA/Mythic said everyone must choose go through the red or blue gate once you have decided you can only play that choice with all your accounts how many would choose the red gate
     
  25. Belmarduk

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    Which werent a problem if EA/MYTHIC enforced its Eula more...
    I started Warhammer on a Open-RvR-RP server - Not because I rp as such but to get away from these kiddies.Now this server is being closed with the option to change to either a Open-RvR Server OR a RP Standard Server.Great move EA...
    So now I have the option between playing against players called "Toaster" or dwarves waving at me in "safe" areas... Great..

    It is getting near impossible to play PvP against non-smacktalking people nowadays *sigh*
    Greetings Belmarduk
     
  26. Redxpanda

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    I agree with the OP. I like the idea of the PVE only shard. The reasons for have already been given (to get away from the PVP smack-talking teenagers, To have champ spawns without pvp and choke points and to be able to get changes without worry about pvp balance issues). I think it would be a great addition and people will flock to the shard. It would have to be one way traffic though. We can't have people running back and forth.

    I think we should put this to vote or something. See how many accounts would seriously sign up for it before it becomes a decision.
     
  27. kelmo

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    *chuckles* So you want an anti Siege shard? Would you accept one character? RoT? Or is it just romper room?
     
  28. A tram only shard where factions work as is? Factions don't 'work/exist' in tram.

    ...aside from that, I vote no.
     
  29. drinkbeerallday

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    once again, a moderator breaks the rules

    J. Posting of pornography, racist or otherwise discriminating remarks, threat to cause physical or mental harm, extreme offensive language, material that breaks any law or otherwise totally unacceptable posts or links to pages that contain the aforementioned material may result in an immediate ban from the forums.

    i think it's safe to assume Tazar will not not suffer an "immediate ban"

    :(
     
  30. kelmo

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    As the most rule breaking mod... I say let it go. It is just an opinion. I see no threats of physical or mental harm. Discriminating? Stiff upper lip if you are a rampaging teen ager.

    This is just a discussion. Don't get bent out of shape over it.
     
  31. It Lives

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    I would open an account for a PvM Only Shard. Just as I have one for seige.

    Smack talking I have noticed is not just confined to teenagers, in fact its usaually adults taking it over the top.:D
     
  32. Viper09

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    As previously posted, it's not just confined to teenagers. It is ALSO not just confined to PvPers. I see just as much smack-talk from PvMers and other trammel dwellers as well. So trust me when I say you will not get away from them in trammel.
     
  33. kelmo

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    Heck, I am near 50 years old. (just so you know) When I play, I play to have fun. I suppose you all know my fun is on Siege. I did have some great fun today. That is a whole nother story.

    We all play here. We can all listen and dicuss with respect. *stares*
     
  34. Viper09

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    Well, of course not all PvPers are smacking talkers or teenagers either. Forgot to add that in.
     
  35. kelmo

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    Viper, my reply was not directed at you. It was not directed at all. Just saying...
     
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    Mine wasn't entirely directed at you either. Just felt a need to post it to add-on to my previous post after reading yours. :)
     
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    Tram only shard!!!
    Tram only shard!!!

    Seriously, i like this idea. I would like to see it happen. Anyone who is against this is a hater. What do you care what people do on another shard if it doesn't affect you? That would be like production shard players complaining about what players on siege or test are doing. If you don't like the idea of the tram only shard then don't join it. Continue playing your normal shard and pretend it isn't there (like most of us do to siege :D)

    This isn't directed at any person or post. I just don't think it's fair when people come out of the woodworks to bash something that doesn't affect them directly.
     
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    While I appreciate you thought process. I'm afraid I'll have to agree with many others. A Tram only shard is a waste of resources, imo. Every shard save Siege has Tram and you don't have to go to Fel if you choose not to. I personally like having the option to get into trouble going to Fel. But it's not necessarily to play the game.
     
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    Yeah, we don't want them wasting resources since they are spread so thin working on all of those wonderful projects? :coco:

    I mean, i like any idea that brings change to the game and that is why i am always for alot of ideas. What has this game done in the last few years? What has changed? I would like to see dramatic changes to this game that brings in more players and it is going to take more than SA. No one is going to play this game just because the graphics got better. All business as usual has gotten us is a diminishing player base.
     
  40. archite666

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    YOUR DAMN RIGHT WE DO!!
     
  41. Uvtha

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    So basically you want the shards like they are now...but the champ spawns and khaldun under a tram ruleset. Wheehoo.

    Yeah, im sure that will skyrocket the subs into the millions...
     
  42. RD Gumbie

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    Biggest problem: You would have to do at least 3 of them, asian shard, Euro shard and american shard, they would prolly fill up but kill some current shards. Current player base on empty shards would feel even worse then they do now about thier shard and you would see a decline in subscriptions. So you would be adding 3 Atlantics but turning 5 or 6 decent running shards to oceania/Origin/Lake austin. The last thing we need is to add more shards, we should be deleteing but the housing issue prevents that.

    And as for being a hater and this not affecting you. It would affect everyone when people are exiting your shard to try to make it on a new shard.

    I think the user is more about the fresh start and champ scrolls than anything else or doesnt relize that tram and fel are the same thing only there is PVP in FEL.

    What this also does is kill the chance for users to learn PvP down the line. Right now you can stay in tram all your life but one day you can venture out into the unknown and find something else your missing out on.
     
  43. tommywoi

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    I dont get u. Just dont go to fel and every shard (except siege) is "tram" only shard. How does this going to attract more players? i dont see any different here.
     
  44. DuttyD

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    Never will happen.

    EAMythic has all it can do to get out new content, let alone experiment with a good idea.

    Wouldn't it be cool if someone besides the players cared about this game?
     
  45. Ifful

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    I don't know about a Tram-only shard as Tram is now, though I do like the idea. Nay-sayers who claim that the current shards are all Tram only ("just so long as you don't go in to Fel") are ignoring the obvious benefits of having production shards that truely are Tram-only, such as freeing people from the annoyances of griefers during powerscroll hunts and harrower fights.

    But I digress.

    Rather than ask for a Tram-only shard, I'd like to see a "hard-core" tram-only shard, where there is no PvP, but the mobs are all 10 times tougher than they are now. Bringing down a troll solo would come with bragging rights, and parties of 10 or more would take on a normal dragon. Let the monsters be monsterous, and the rewards be fewer and further between.
     
  46. HD2300

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    Besides retaining existing PvM players longer by providing new content and challenges on a new shard and making additional sales from transfer tokens and/or extra accounts, EA has a mailing list of 1/2 million former UO customers.

    They could do a bulk email to these 500,000 former players and announce
    a new Tram only shard. A PvE only experience. No PKers. A fresh new start. UO the way the original developers envisioned.

    Each 10,000 new subscriptions would bring in $1.4 million a year.
     
  47. Petrify

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    lol, are you kidding me? THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPERS? You must be trolling.
     
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    Some of the stuff posted is a bit OTT, but not that comment. :D

    A new super Tram shard would work. It would be fun because there would be tons of players, it would be total chaos, and most importantly for UO is that it would be profitable.
     
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    So providing new content and challenges to only the Trammel shard? What about the rest of the shards? Seriously, it just does not seem efficient for them to just open another shard and focus content that is only specific to that shard. It is hard enough for them to balance content between Siege/Mugen and production shards without screwing either one up. (and that doesn't work well sometimes)

    What you are talking about is introducing a 3rd category for separate content for a shard that will basically be the same set-up as production shards minus the fel facet.

    Siege is different. Aside from the fact that it has been there since nearly the creation of this game. No insurance, can't sell to NPC's, no trammel rule-set for all facets, etc.

    Trammel shard will only be a production shard with no fel facet and champ spawns will still be around.

    Just keep bugging them for champ spawns in tram. I'm sure you will get a lot more luck with that than this.
     
  50. Bara

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    Back when I did my time on free servers, I experienced tram only champ spawns.

    They were a nightmare.

    You think it's bad when three reds come and raid your champ? Imagine when an army of clueless blues storm in at the end and screw up the spawn after your hard work. You can't do anything to stop it.

    At least with the reds you can fight back. In tram ruleset, it's completely out of your hands.

    I know it sounds like a good idea to many people at first, but it's really bad in practice.