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Times are rough for us bod smith.

Discussion in 'UO Craftsman' started by UOKaiser, Mar 21, 2010.

  1. UOKaiser

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    999k for gold runics 3.2 for agapite. The rest are fine. Just notice the recent drop on those.Just felt like sharing.
     
  2. Poo

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    ya, and 250k for a PoF

    you guys must be hurting bad, eh?

    rolleyes:
     
  3. UOKaiser

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    Yep. Actually 195k for pof. 100k at my hidden shop. Too many people can get pof themselves but it takes more dedicated boders to get golden and agapite runics. So still hurts for the amount of work we put in. Might not make up the difference between the drop of price for those 2 higher end runics. Pof will probably need to go to 300k to make up the loss from the others.
     
  4. Ezekiel Zane

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    The high-end runics are dropping in price because of imbuing and the fact that all smith runics can make 100% intensity mods.

    With the lower-end runics you can craft until you get just the right mod at high or 100% intensity, then imbue the rest of what you want. Much less need for high-end runics which are basically nothing but a crap shoot anyway.
     
  5. popps

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    With the coming of imbuing the entire BOD system got messed up and, I think, needs a revamping of the rewards.

    I mean, look at Blacksmithying and Tailoring Powerscrolls. They are a dime a dozen and whatever BOD is for those is a wasted BOD........
     
  6. UOKaiser

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    I think there should be some sort of bump to the effects of the higher runics themselves to make them more desireble to compete with the imbuing system. Either higher intensities,more abilities to be placed in there or a combination of both. I can't think of anything else that would make the higher end rewards worth it other than some sort of increase in the price of relic fragments combine with a bump of relics for those 2 hammers.We knew it would happen and pretty much make higher runics obsolete,reducing our collections we worked hard for all these years to meagerness. Sure won't bring any new bod collectors other than the ones that just collect for the pof.

    The valorite hammers and the verite hammers are still worth itnot sure for how much longer though and so are the bronze and lower. But I really feel sorry for gold and agapite. To think for only 400k more from a common bronze hammer you can get a gold hammer. The agapite hammer is the price of what a gold hammer was and it keeps droping. The work needed to get these hammers are 100x-200x more than getting a simple bronze hammer that you can get from smalls.

    Just seems sad. Even though imbuing is great it had the foreseable side effect of making most established systems secondary or worse.
    The ease of gaining it hell I made 120 in 2 days from release even though it was the funnest crafting skill ever to level up. Though they made it even easier later on lol. The the items don't even wear out easily. Even if they do wear out the ingrediants are very easy to get and replacement np at all. Relic fragments are required only for the best but even that people found ways to make relic fragments easily. Droping relic fragment price to it's current state at 40k-49k per,in turn drop prices on other smith crafted and looted items. Even pvm was effected. Normally it should increase pvm because you can get there loot and unravel it. But people found nice and easy ways around it which in turn made most all loot on monsters even more junkier than before lol. Don't even get me started on the complete uselessness of anything metal now. At least before samurai armor still was good to make cause of the automatic mage property. But now because it counts towards imbuing it is completely useless.

    It was a system with alot of potential but things got way too easy after that. Im not complaining I like imbuing and Im trying to make a market of it. Though it's hard when your used to certain ways for so long and now the best thing your smith can do is say I got POF or bronze hammer for relics and dull hammer for base material.

    But it's ok maybe someone has a good idea on how to improve this or something. I can't think of any though. Looks like the Boders and smiths are slowly sliding downhill.

    What do you all think?
     
  7. Yen Sid

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    Well not to derail the thread, but, what about Heartwood Fletching Kits? Not so long ago 10mil? 15mil? And now? 1.5mil if your lucky. Its nuts, not even worth doing the Heartwood quests anymore to try and get any. Last time I went to Heartwood, I did about 200 Bowcraft Quests and didnt even get 1 Heartwood Fletching Kit. Certainly not worth the time to do all of those quests for either no reward or something thats worth 1mil. :sad4:

    Sorry, rant over.
     
  8. Kellgory

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    I know before SA was released I would get one or two heartwood runics a day if I put the time into it, and several oak kits. So many in fact that I threw about 20 away at Luna bank about 2 months before SA was released (D'oh!). Now what is the use of using a heartwood kit when you can spend a little time in the abyss and get the ingredents to imbue a high double hit spell, balanced bow and enhance it to 40 SSI. The odds of getting one from an kit is pretty low. Same goes for runic hammers, except maybe Val or Verite hammers. I got a gold and agapite hammer about a week ago and their just sitting in a chest because I haven't figured out a use for them.
     
  9. [JD]

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    doesn't runic made stuff last forever because you can keep POFing it?

    plus ive seen runics with 6-7 properties?
     
  10. Kellgory

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    High end runics will produce items with higher item weight than you can imbue, but the problem is that the odds of getting then properties you want is pretty low. I had chests full of bows that had great mods except they only had 10 ssi. Val hammers still produce nice weapons and armour, which may be why they are still relatively high compared to heartwood or mid level hammers.
     
  11. MYUO

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    I think the current balance among imbuing, runics, and PVM loots are roughly balanced and fair. The restrain on imbuing is the requirement to constantly getting the ingredients, expeically the relics for top end items. As far as I know, the only way to efficiently creating relics are from runics. PVM can provide a good source for residue and essence. The smith and tailor runics recently got a bump so the higher end ones are easier to get. These high end ones can make items are best in game after imbuing. Meanwhile, there is always a price floor for these runics - if a gold hammer sells for 1mil (33k per charge). At some point, it may be more ecconomical to unravel items crafted from high end runics instead of using rare gems.

    I doubt dev will give further boost to high end runics, especially smith and tailor. That is because I believe 99% of UO players can't easily get those high end ones except paying for them.

    Of course, if scripting and cheats make the imbuing resouces a lot cheaper, then high end runics are turely doomed.
     
  12. [JD]

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    I would rather have a high end runic with higher weight, more properties, which can be POF'd and last forever than an imbued item which will cost a lot and one day break. I think it's the lack of control over the runic system which makes it frustrating. You're entirely at the mercy of the RNG. I'm not sure that should be the correct balancing point for the system.
     
  13. Poo

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    plus using runics is like christmas.

    you never know what your gonna get on the weapon
    and sometimes it is christmas and you hit the jackpot!

    i know the kryss i carry on my nox fencer is massive, there is no way i could have ever made that with imbuing.
    its like a 7 mod weapon.
    and the RNG was my maiden that day, cause all 7 are wicked good for pvp.

    but that was a valorite hammer.
    and if memory serves me everything else that came off that hammer got melted down into relics cause nothing was worth keeping.
     
  14. Long ago when BODS came out I used to make weapons and armor as my main source of income in UO. With the implementation of the bod system I could no longer compete with smiths who could get enough bods to get the higher end hammers. My life changed. I went from a businessman to a personal smith for my own characters. The imbuing system doesn't help any either but I am already resolved that I will never again be able to compete with those who have more time to spend to manipulate things in their favor. So don't complain.
     
  15. MYUO

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    Imbuing is also at the mercy of RNG - Once I was trying to add LMC 8% and at 20% success chance I failed a dozen or more times in a roll, wasting like 50 relics. A couple of barbed kit may do better than that.
     
  16. Gowron

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    I disagree that smiths are truly hurting from the onset of imbuing. In fact, I believe it is quite the opposite.

    Prior to imbuing coming onto the scene I had seen the prices of POF go from 200K plus to 60K at Luna, and I'm usually notorious for underselling Luna by about half. So, POFs that I would sell for 30K are now upwards of 100K to 200K though 100K is the norm for me.

    Now, I may not be a hard core BOD guy as I rarely get gold and agapite hammers (I do have a few), but with the high demand for POF and good prices for copper and bronze on the rare occassions that I do sell runics, it seems a fair trade off. Given that picture, it seems that the gains in these itmes offset the losses from gold and agapite hammers.

    As such, my blacksmith is approached by more than just myself for support. Of course, I mine and smelt my own ingots and gems, so I don't have to pay for those. I also don't buy BODs that I need to fill. So, if I do wind up with hammers that I am willing to sell, I almost always end up with a pleasant profit for my efforts.
     
  17. Ezekiel Zane

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    In contrast, BRSKs used to sell for 12 mil. Horned kits for as much as 1.6 mils. Barbed kits on Pacific are under 2 mil now and had been under 3 mil for a very long time. Horned kits hit an all-time low 100k after the BOD turn-in change.
     
  18. UOKaiser

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    Depends how you look at it. We the ones that usually dedicate more than 60% of there playing time to bods and crafting abilities have being trying to make up the lost of the profit from our higher end rewards with POF and dull to bronze hammers. Though because they are a low end reward we can produce enough to try to catch up from the loss. We definetely not profiting more like before when we used to craft a suit with shadow-copper runic and put it together as a low end suit and still be able to get 100k for it. Crafting has almost become imbued only.
    The profit loss from gold runic is at least 3 mil and the profit loss from agapite is 4-5mil since the change. So thats alot low end runics and pof to make up those numbers. It might even out or might not depending on the crafters style of playing. Though thats alot more work to get the same as before. I think we struggling to break even on past prices.
     
  19. UOKaiser

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    Yes that is true. Though I haven't checked but i believe horned kits increased back to 500k after imbuing compared to 250k or so before. Though now looks like there is a undercut of 300k-400k range on them. Spined kits is 125k so they increased a bit though Barbed have droped almost 2 mil. This means Imbuing has taken lead in all crafting. Lower end rewards are higher cause people can imbue them while higher end rewards are lower cause you can't imbue them and are now being directly related to relic prices. As relic price drops so will the higher end rewards.