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To the people who want a classic shard...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Derium of ls, Apr 9, 2010.

  1. Derium of ls

    Derium of ls Slightly Crazed
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    I know the forums are full of this, and people are either sick of it or getting their hopes up well...

    I'm more than willing to pay for webspace and the addy if I can get a few dedicated people to help out. I want to start comparing the way UO was back in about 1998ish to now and start the weeding process. I would also like to form some surveys for people to take that are interested in a classic shard and finally hammer out some numbers and ideas. spend a few months (or longer) gathering info, pushing it to old UO players and then once we feel we have made a good enough ground to stand on, submit it all to Cal/EA/whoever and make our possible last stand to get what we want from them.

    Is there anyone who is willing to help? Cause in my opinion arguing on forums for the last 7 years has gotten us no where.
     
  2. I am. PM me. I can setup pretty much any kind of website you want, and host almost any available domain...

    This thread won't last long... :(
     
  3. Derium of ls

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    well, it's open for now! so C'mon people, let us know if you're willing to help out
     
  4. Unsatisfied

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    Well you guys know I'll help, I'm just not sure how well it will work getting through to devs/whoevers in charge when the stratics forums have really been the only avenue to get through to devs for a long time.

    But with that said I'd do anything to get it done so I'm in.
     
  5. Derium of ls

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    it's been an uphill battle for a long time, might as well give it a good fight. I'm gathering info now and soon I'll PM you and see if all of us can't come up with a good battle plan, I've been trying to spread the word. Not only do we need valid points to be made to the Devs, but also need the numbers.

    thanks for lending a helping hand :)
     
  6. Paps

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    ok,,,allow me to spell it out for you.
    EA is NOT INTERESTED in making a "classic shard"
    this was posted recently
    you want a classic shard,,,,,
    make one [like one of the free shards,,,or join one]
    sure they might ban me for saying "free shard" here but honestly i dont give a ****.
    they do exhist.they have the rules you want.
    the one you play on could go `poof` next week
    thats the drawback to something ``free``
    your not going to see what you want from EA
    if you have waited seven years well,,,,,,,
    sorry your a dumbass [no insult intended,,,,,really]
    thank you and have a nice day.
     
  7. Derium of ls

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    I made a promise to keep my cool on the forums, so I will not break that now.

    but could you kindly point me to where they turned us down for the Classic Shard?
     
  8. Hunters' Moon

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    How can I say this tactfully? I ask you,honestly,to save yourself the heartache of creating a website/domain that would push for a classic server.

    Making plans to get the player base behind the idea of this classic server and getting the word out to everyone in game,just to see Cal Crowner or some other EA Executive log onto your site or here in Stratics just to crush that idea with a simple "no,it's not going to happen" post could be painful if you put alot of effort and "heart" behind it.

    I'm just asking you to really think it through before to get into it too much.Peace.
     
  9. Babble

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    Why?

    If EA decides a retro shard is worth the investment they will do one.
    It's Cal's job to decide if he propses such a thing to his bosses or not and they rather make their own investigations.
     
  10. Hunters' Moon

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    Why? Because it seems to me that the US side of UO wont make a move to add anything to the game until EAJapan does it first. Just trying to save a fellow player some frustration of being denied what they wish to have.
     
  11. Dakkon Blackblade

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    It would appear you are a few years behind Sir, the thing is we have been allowed to keep a thread open discussing it, Cal has been following the thread and has even popped in to comment once or twice, secondly in that same thread I was shown a post where he has said they have been discussing it, there is a new team now what the teams before them said on classic shards is void.

    I will help out anyway that I can but guys we need to stop creating new threads on the issue, it will only clutter the forums and cause not interested people to get irritated.
     
  12. A Rev

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    Quote From Calvin,

    I will wait for his response...BUT if you build it we will come (the website that is) because im all for it.
     
  13. Lord Chaos

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    Perhaps instead of doing this with UO 1, then perhaps make a brand new UO 2, that includes both classic and modern shards.

    That wuld mean they get to develop a whole new game any, they can make it superior from the old UO bringing many new features and teh classic servers can be made as custom as possible.
     
  15. Dakkon Blackblade

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    I'm not opposed to this really, I just don't see them developing another UO or even revamping it, the thing is I doubt EA has a lot of faith in this franchise as it is, so I can't imagine where they would get funding to build a whole new game.

    And even if they did they would almost certainly have to bring the graphics into the modern era, the 2.5 D concept just won't cut it for an entire new game, I can already see the bean counters laying that on the table from the get go.
     
  16. A Rev

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    12 years and still no faith...kinda sad isnt it.
     
  17. Babble

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    As levelbased games seem to be the winning mmo model it seems logical.
     
  18. Chap

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    So let me get this straight, you want to make a knowledge database(wiki if you like) of UO 1998 era,
    then make the knowledge database public?

    I am willing to share my knowledge about UO 1998, I might have a pic or two aswell.
    Ive never played any freeshards so my soul is not corrupted.
    But when it comes to knowledge and design documents, Im sure EA/Mythic has documents from 1998 so im questioning the need.


    Im not sure when in 1998 you are thinking of though, as in end of summer 98 T2A got released.
     
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    http://www.uoguide.com/Publish
    Here, most of your work is already done for you. Why not ask the owner of this site to create a page for you because he has already done a lot of your work for you.
     
  21. Paps

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    http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=189946

    Now Cal doesn't come straight out and say "no way in hell your getting a classic shard" which is probably what it would take for people here to finally have it sink in but we all know [or should know] EA just isnt that open about their intentions.Now i am not against the idea of one [not that i would play on such a shard] but honestly,,,you all shoulsd wish for a classic shard in one hand and crap in the other.....See which hand fills up faster.
     
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    If you dont want this then why even post, you should just go spend your time somewhere else. I dont understand why people post in these threads at all if they dont care one way or the other.
     
  23. So I guess when a Classic Shard is launched, we won't have the "pleasure" of your company then?

    Oh well...no big loss IMO.
     
  24. Derium of ls

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    I just woke up so I'll have to reply to more posts later, and I know EA has all the data on how UO use to be, but what I mean is to compare the changes bwteen then and now, and then ask the UO players what they did and didn't like about it... in a nut shell
     
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    I'd love to see a classic shard, but this idea is great, too. It would be more likely to draw in a fresh player base.
     
  26. I have said before that I think the key is to let UO die, stop putting resources into it, and focus on a true sequel that incorporates all of the things that people liked about UO through the years. Just go ahead and do it in an all 3d environment from the beginning, incorporate all the features that worked, and lose all the ones that didn't.

    And as LC says here, you could make shards that were "classic" in nature (open PvP, no item-based AoS type properties etc.) and you could make "modern" shards that offered an almost level-based, risk-free, item-based experience like the current UO shards have. That way, everyone gets a choice.

    I'd hate to see UO go, but the prospect of a clean, fresh start with a chance to move on to a competitive client that would bring in new players would be exciting.
     
  27. That would be cool, but it would take a few years if they ever decided to do it. Lets just see a clssic server for now ;p
     
  28. I could not agree more!
     
  29. Tanivar

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    I'll offer my time for this project.

    Morgana, you seem to be the one most involved in working for this goal so I'll make this offer to you.

    I'll sort, process, re-write, research, or whatever I can do, to do time-consuming menial labor work that frees up time for those more in the know of what needs to be done to make a t2a based UO world.

    I came in about 6 months after the release of UO:Ren. I only know the UO world since that time, but I'm game to help as long as the goal of a pre-AoS Official UO Classic Shard remains a possibility per EA employee sources. Whether or not I'd play it myself will depend on the PK problem it has.

    Getting rid of the AoS shadow on the game would make the work worth it.
     
  30. I appreciate that offer...but I am not really sure what we need to do next, if anything.

    I can setup a website, I can start an online petition, I can set up a web-based questionaire, I can start a seperate php-base forum, like the one we are using now...just for Classic Shard folks, and I can probably (with a **** ton of work) set up a free shard that is pretty much exactly like what we are all asking for here...

    ...but in the end, will any of that actually get us what we want?

    Consider me at the service of the Classic Shard community. Let me know what you want me to do, and I will do my best to make it happen.
     
  31. Dakkon Blackblade

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    Well it is a bit of a quandary is it not? passion and dedication alone sadly do not inspire the creation of new shards. I'm sure on some level even if only private the devs admire our pure determination on the subject, but whether or not doing all of those things Morgana mentioned would have any influence on making our dream any closer to reality is up in the air.

    We all know it's about the bottom line at the end of the day, so I try not to think so much about appealing from an emotional point of view, but all of the discussion, filtering of ideas, going over what works and what doesn't, I look at all of that as doing more work that the devs don't have to.

    Basically if we condense things down enough to where things are pretty tight and everyone is happy, maybe not completely happy but enough that they would play on and enjoy the shard, I like to think it makes things easier for the devs in the bigger picture.

    Not long ago it was said that we couldn't even agree on what time period the shard would take place. Now we have done not only that but also we have agreed upon most of the major issues.

    All we need to do now is be patient, keep working and promoting the idea, and one way or another we will find out. Cal himself has admitted the idea will be put to rest one way or another, this is our last hurrah even if it goes down the pipes we won't have to do this again and we will have some finality.
     
  32. Apetul

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    A Classic shard will be no more than a "competition" for actual shards. That means less people to existant shards.
    A Classic shard will take alot of development time. That means less new publishes and new additions/fixes to actual shards.

    I really hope that devs does not really take into consideration to waste precious development time on a shard for a few bored guys.
     
  33. Derium of ls

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    I have the feeling you have not played UO very long, or don't talk to your old buddies.
     
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    this is what I wanted to do, if we do most of the leg work, and take some of the load off the Devs, they would be more inclined to help us. I REALLY would like to set up a website to at least have a long survey for people to answer about classic server. I know some jackasses will show up and try and ruin it, but still. my idea here is to put together a questionaire for people. then we will have actual 'data' to show.
     
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    The great thing about playing against other players and not against "the house" is that you rarely need new content, if ever. The player interaction is the content.

    If they set it up correctly, they can do it and wipe their hands of further development.

    Once set up, the classic shard won't take up valuable pixel development time.

    :fight:
     
  36. Tanivar

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    I supect there are more than a few who would go for anything UO without the AoS taint upon it. :)

    EA Representatives, let me ask you a question.

    Considering the man/hours that could be involved in setting up a Classic Shard, would player volunteers who would be willing to do non-sensitive work on a Classic Shard project be something you would be willing to use? If required, I'd be willing to learn a programming language enough to do well-documented coding that your people could touch up and fine-tune, or convert to a company programming system. I haven't done programming in 20 years but if my last I.Q. test is any indication I should still be a quick study at it.
     
  37. I consider almost every single thing the devs have done to UO since May 4th, 2000 to be a waste of precious development time. And that includes 3 clients and 10 retail boxes.

    Do you think it will cost as much to make 1 Classic Shard as it did to do all of those things??

    I don't.
     
  38. Dakkon Blackblade

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    Yeah I am actually really tired of the "wasting precious resources" argument that some people drone on and on about. All the while making snide comparisons between "actual shards" and our lesser classic shard.

    To those of us who have felt that the past ten years have been a waste of time, we obviously have a different perspective, one shard running at first on a trial basis is all we are asking for, there are 27 other shards many of which are ghost towns.

    Will it require some resources? obviously but to insinuate that those resources are wasted just because we desire something else? I don't think so, if those of us who want a classic shard are wrong then it goes down the pipes never to be heard from again and who knows maybe the next expansion brings in triple the amount of new subs.

    I don't think there is one of us who wouldn't be willing to pay for the time and effort that would go into the shard. Not just with monthly subscriptions but many of us would also like to purchase some kind of box/collectors edition/account code to further the idea along.

    Also I find the people saying it will pull numbers away from other shards, to be spewing a non-argument. It's like what's your point here? if we are right and players flock to the classic shard, are you honestly going to sit there and pretend that it means anything other then something being wrong with the production shards?

    If people like something that comes along and they go for it that does not equal a negative in my book. Now if I am absolutely flat out wrong and the shard tanks at least everyone will be able to say once and for all, you had your shot and it didn't pan out so lets keep going in the same direction we have been.

    But I've a sneaking suspicion that it won't end that way. ;)
     
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    IMO, I think you guys dont really think on the consequences of a Classic shard.

    Let's think that a Classic shard will be a success. The new shard could probably drain 50% of the actual players on each shard. That's alot of people, yeah. I imagine Brit bank FULL of people doing different things like selling horses to other players, requesting armor to blacksmith players, etc.. it will be a blast.

    How long you guys really think the same classic shard will be fun? everyday with the same armor, everyone with the same armor too, mages-type chars restricted to magery spells only (no necro, mystic or spellweaving) and warriors limited to the same special move (3 specials total, one for each fighting skill: sword, mace & fencing) and no ninjitsu, bushido or even chivalry.

    Now, lets think on the future of actual shards. ATL will become a almost-dead shard, GL & PAC too. I dont want to think on already dead shards like siege, oceania, lake austin, origin, arirang and others. And.. What will happen with the people that doesnt like the classic shard OR doesnt want to start characters again from zero OR doesnt have a good connection/ping to the classic shard OR is having a blast playing prodo shards cause they like ML content/monsters, champ spawns, peerless, quests, new skills like imbuing/mysticysm, gargoyles, elves, etc etc and tons of more etc ?? Well.. I guess those people will quit playing because it will be VERY hard to interact with players, asuming that each production shard will have -50% population.

    My opinion is.. a Classic shard will kill the production shards and the people on classic shard will become bored very soon and will ask for new content.... then another AOS will born again :)
     
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    You bet it will be a blast! People actually having to team up take down a lone dragon! A balron? You better bring friends that can rez! :D Not to mention the pvp at the ole time crossroads......man I want that server now!
     
  41. Dakkon Blackblade

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    This is where you have missed the mark, we have had a LONG time to think about it, most of us vets don't tend to think of things in terms of when will the next shiny be out for us to go get, the community is the game, not the items or skills or what have you.

    Secondly I don't think anyone is opposed to either slowly introducing new land or content provided that it doesn't split the playerbase, and even if they are it doesn't mean that a second shard couldn't be made that would be a hybrid of old style gameplay and new content to evolve the shard.

    What it does if The shard is successful is it forces everyone to take a step back from a design point of view and go "hey the formula we have been using isn't working as well as we thought"

    I don't care if it drains every last player from production shards, because it only reinforces my point that the design took a wrong turn long ago. Do I expect that to actually happen? no but I can dream can't I? :p

    It isn't our fault if people decide they like a classic shard more, I would say then you would know what it feels like to be that minority for once. People on a classic shard are not going to ask for another AOS because it ruined the gameplay with it's item based formula, well that and adding necromancers/ninjas/samurai/elves/gargoyles/who knows what will be next.

    That doesn't mean people wouldn't ask for new content as I have addressed in my above post. But again in all likelihood I don't see the shard going to either of the extremes posed here, I think it will be just successful enough to keep going, but not so much that it will hurt other shards beyond the first few months.
     
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    if a classic shard kills other shards then who cares? that means the majority of UO players WANT the classic shard over others, that's moving the game in the direction of majority rules

    and will it get bored? it wasn't boring for the 3 years I played, plus the 5 some years on free shards. back then there was a community and always things to do, now it's boring fast and all these silly additions to the game just make it more confusing for new players and more useless things for me to do.
     
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    Hehe, im sure EA/Mythic cares

    They will lose alot of subscribers (ie, money) if that happen, so, thats why they will not do this crazy thing of a classic shard

    Have fun.. with SA :)
     
  44. Derium of ls

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    that wasn't suppose to be a question per se. more of a statement saying if a classic shard collapses other shards, that would only prove that UO has in fact been on the wrong track this entire time, then maybe they could open more classic shards and turn the boat around so to speak. It all depends on the majority. IMHO most of the classic shad players will be Vets who return to play it. I think it would balance out.
     
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    I doubt they would lose that many if they have to close down some shards due to to few players on them.

    I suspect they would just combine those shards with some storyline to explain the situation in game and give enough pixel crack to the AoS fans who remain to make most of them happy in spite of having to replace thier houses.

    Those that leave over it but truely love the game would come back after a while. I mean seriously, many hate the AoS item-based game, yet have stayed. Many of the people working so hard for a Classic Shard have stayed in spite of changes they didn't like. This game has too many good points that can't be found elsewhere to leave it for too long over a temper
    tantrum.

    Life, in game, goes on. :)
     
  46. Paps

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    your reading skills are poor.I said "i am not against this" [this being a classic shard] and i was posting a link that someone requested of me.
     
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    oh gee,,,an internet jab at me.....
    how will i go on......
    guess i wont be missing you either there sweetcheeks.
    or whatever free shard you end up on.
     
  48. Tanivar

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    We need to stop feeding the Trolls People. Let's get back to working on the Classic Shard idea. The faster we get the Classic Shard idea finished, the faster we can be rid of them.
     
  49. No, logic has nothing to do with it, its all because of greed. The reason more cookie cutter WoW/EQ clones keep getting churned out by the industry is because everyone wants to be Blizzard making billions of dollars off of one game every month. That way, they can dump a little money into that one game and make a ton of profit with little effort. Just hand the masses another patch that adds in more shiney uber overpowered items for them to grid for, rinse, repeat. No skill, no effort, no hard work.

    hmmm, now that I think about it, aparently laziness has something to do with it too......

    .....how sad.....and by sad I mean pathetic.