1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Greetings Guest!!

    In order to combat SPAM on the forums, all users are required to have a minimum of 2 posts before they can submit links in any post or thread.

    Dismiss Notice

ToL: Stone craftables w/custom housing

Discussion in 'UO Time of Legends' started by Elenni, Oct 17, 2015.

  1. Elenni

    Elenni Stratics Sr. Leadership team member
    Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2015
    Messages:
    547
    Likes Received:
    859
    I'm wanting to experiment with some ideas for the new stone housing add-ons, but on a custom house. Since I have a limited amount of granite available to me I thought I'd ping and see if anyone has done much with them yet, in this context.

    Some specific questions:
    1. Can you walk or stand on the stone block?
    2. Can items be placed and locked down on top of the stone block or stair pieces?
    3. Which type of granite would you say comes closest to the shade of the Gargish Ruined Walls, when used without dyes?
    4. If you place (and double-click) the stone craftables on a plot and then customize, are they staying in place or dropping into the moving crate?
    5. Are things like banners and wall deco placing flat up against the stone walls, as they do with regular walls?

    Thanks in advance...I'll be sure to post any photos and findings I have while I'm playing around with them!
     
    Kolka likes this.
  2. Elenni

    Elenni Stratics Sr. Leadership team member
    Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2015
    Messages:
    547
    Likes Received:
    859
    Gooodbye goza, helllloooooo granite! :)

    Looks like you can indeed stand and walk on the rough blocks, which means a new way to create L-shaped stairs with a walk-able landing...yay!

    My photos of first staircase below. This one was created with a combination of traditional custom housing tiles for the base and top of the stairway, but used a new rough block (raised with a deco tool) for the landing. Have also experimented with using the new craftable stair pieces and those work too, so depending upon your situation either will work.

    BrynRhedyn_GraniteStairLanding1.png BrynRhedyn_GraniteStairLanding2.png
     
  3. Elenni

    Elenni Stratics Sr. Leadership team member
    Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2015
    Messages:
    547
    Likes Received:
    859
    Learned so far:

    1. Can both walk and stand on stone blocks; perfect for stair landings on L-shaped stairways.
    2. Items can be placed and locked down on top of stone blocks and stair pieces.
    3. Gargish Ruined Walls: so far it's a toss-up between copper granite and golden for color match-up, with no dye. Copper is probably a bit closer but either could work depending upon your preference and situation.
    4. Granite housing pieces are not dropping into the moving crate by default; they disappear while in Customizing mode so you can't see them at the time, but will drop back in place when you leave Customizing mode as long as you don't place a wall on top of them etc.

    Also confirmed that the new custom add-on pieces can be stacked or raised and left in place when building stairs etc., to save granite.

    (Next up, working on some match-ups between the granite stair pieces and different custom housing tiles, although I'm a little short on some of the granites so won't be able to get a complete picture just yet.)
     
    Kolka and Ron Bron like this.
  4. Elenni

    Elenni Stratics Sr. Leadership team member
    Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2015
    Messages:
    547
    Likes Received:
    859
    Some color match-ups for comparison to custom housing tiles. (Missing agapite, verite and valorite; once I have enough granite to make a stair block of each I'll add those.)

    GraniteCraftables_ColorMatchups1.png
     
    Kolka likes this.
  5. Elenni

    Elenni Stratics Sr. Leadership team member
    Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2015
    Messages:
    547
    Likes Received:
    859
    Thanks! I know these were intended for classic housing, but I'm really glad they work on custom plots too. A lot of possibilities brewing to solve some of those little glitchy constraints I run into sometimes.

    Oooooo.....just realized that the new short stairway pieces + rough stone blocks might mean the possibility of split-level housing. o_O

    /me runs off to experiment....
     
  6. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Sage
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    590
    Likes Received:
    111
    HELP!!!!
    I have a sandstone vendor house Id lke to put a floor on over an area thats not covered. I started it and I can walk on it but only one way....off lol Im sure this is prob an easy fix BUT I just cant get it!!!!
    Please help! :confused:
     
  7. FrejaSP

    FrejaSP Queen of The Outlaws
    Professional Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Campaign Patron The DarkOutlaws, TDO

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2001
    Messages:
    17,297
    Likes Received:
    3,248
    Post a pic, that will make it easier for us to help
     
  8. Beldin Brightaxe

    Governor Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    Messages:
    588
    Likes Received:
    207
    This is what I've been working on. I love the stone blocks, although I wish they were just part of the customization menu. If you stack the blocks four high, the top ones will go into the moving crate. You can fix this just by lowering each block once. It doesn't run into the bottom of the upper level that way.


    Stone.jpg
     
    Irulia Darkaith and Elenni like this.
  9. Petra Fyde

    Petra Fyde Peerless Chatterbox
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2001
    Messages:
    30,889
    Likes Received:
    5,175
    I posted some time ago how I used the new stone to build on the 'steps' area in front of the plot. When customizing use the blocks in the custom menu wherever you don't actually want stairs onto the plot, then build with the stonecrafting on top of those.

    To build a platform inside, stage for example, don't fill the portion between the steps with blocks, fill it with floor tiles raised only 4 times.

    [​IMG]

    Something else I built on test was a copy of a vvv altar, though in the absence of vice tiles I used chaos tiles.

    [​IMG]





     
    #9 Petra Fyde, Oct 24, 2015
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2015
  10. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Sage
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    590
    Likes Received:
    111
    I wish I could but thats beyond me too.
    One question I guess I should ask is, do i need walls when adding a floor?
    Forgive me but i havent had a home to play(build) with in over 10 yrs.
     
  11. Elenni

    Elenni Stratics Sr. Leadership team member
    Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2015
    Messages:
    547
    Likes Received:
    859
    Why do you advise not using the blocks for the "floor area," Petra? I successfully used blocks to build a platform at the top of stairs and wasn't having any issue with them that I noticed. Or did you mean when building under a roof rather than an open area?
     
  12. Petra Fyde

    Petra Fyde Peerless Chatterbox
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2001
    Messages:
    30,889
    Likes Received:
    5,175
    yes, under a ceiling.Sorry, when I said 'inside' I should have been more specific. Blocks under a ceiling are too high, you can't walk on them because you don't have enough head room. Keeping floor tiles just one click below the stairs makes them able to be walked on and off.


     
    Elenni likes this.
  13. Petra Fyde

    Petra Fyde Peerless Chatterbox
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2001
    Messages:
    30,889
    Likes Received:
    5,175
    Something I thought of but can't test - test center seems to be missing.
    On a small home it may be possible to use that ledge of blocks by the steps to create a stairway to the upper floor, meaning you wouldn't lose space from both floors within the building's footprint.
    Normal steps and door into the lower floor at one end, block tower at the other to form a landing, steps between door and landing, door into upper level from the landing?

    So - test center came up and I gave it a try



    outsidestair.jpg


     
    #13 Petra Fyde, Oct 25, 2015
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2015
  14. Elenni

    Elenni Stratics Sr. Leadership team member
    Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2015
    Messages:
    547
    Likes Received:
    859
    oh you clever girl...

    my brain is exploding with the possibilities.
     
  15. Beldin Brightaxe

    Governor Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    Messages:
    588
    Likes Received:
    207
    You can place stone items under the house sign if you place them on top of something else. I used a pedestal (I just happened to have one in my backpack).

    Arch.jpg
     
  16. Beldin Brightaxe

    Governor Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    Messages:
    588
    Likes Received:
    207
    Something else I've been working on...

    Artillery Range.jpg
     
    Siward and Elenni like this.
  17. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Sage
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    590
    Likes Received:
    111
    update:
    I got the floor where I can walk all over it BUT i cant seem to finish the outer side of it (east side I believe). If I add pavers or anything along that strip, I can see them from inside and cant walk on it or place anything on it. I also fall off. What am I missing?
    I need help finishing off my house please!!
     
  18. railshot

    railshot Journeyman
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2011
    Messages:
    139
    Likes Received:
    94
    Can you post a picture for better understanding?
     
  19. Elenni

    Elenni Stratics Sr. Leadership team member
    Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2015
    Messages:
    547
    Likes Received:
    859
    Snowdrop, if you're using Windows, here is a link to a post that explains how to take a screenshot: Screenshot Procedure (use steps 1-7.)

    (If you're running a recent version of Windows you should be able to find the MS Paint program in "Start Menu > All Programs folder > Accessories folder > Paint")

    Once you've saved the screenshot file(s) to your hard drive, on Stratics you can use the "Upload a File" button under your thread editor window to paste it into your post here so we can see the problem you're having.
     
  20. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Sage
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    590
    Likes Received:
    111
    well here goes...... UO house.jpg
     
  21. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Sage
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    590
    Likes Received:
    111
    ^^^^^ any ideas?
     
  22. FrejaSP

    FrejaSP Queen of The Outlaws
    Professional Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Campaign Patron The DarkOutlaws, TDO

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2001
    Messages:
    17,297
    Likes Received:
    3,248
    Can you walk on the tile in SE corner. If you fall off, it could be, you messed something up and they only look to be in right place but are started from wrong tile. If you raise them together, it east to mess them up. look where you end up, when you fall off, that's where the tile need to be started
     
  23. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Sage
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    590
    Likes Received:
    111
    I can walk on it all except for the one paver on the SE arch wall piece. When I fall off its outside the house. I cant seem to get anything to go right on the open space along the E. side. This is where im at now....

    update:
    I got the floor where I can walk all over it BUT i cant seem to finish the outer side of it (east side I believe). If I add pavers or anything along that strip, I can see them from inside and cant walk on it or place anything on it. I also fall off. What am I missing?
    I need help finishing off my house please!!
     
    #23 Snowdrop, Oct 31, 2015
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2015
    xblade likes this.
  24. Irulia Darkaith

    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2004
    Messages:
    610
    Likes Received:
    298
    One thing you should be aware of is an issue with locking down pavers and then raising them, instead of double clicking them. I created an entirely new floor and everything was the correct height but while walking around I would fall through. What was truly maddening is that graphically it looked like I was still on the same floor.

    During the floor creation there were a couple tricky spots where I had to lock down the tiles on the floor below and raise them. Turns out when you do this the game doesn't update the Z axis - the game still thinks the tile is the height it was when it was locked down on the floor below so you fall through when you step on it. I verified this with the sextant and had no choice but to hover my mouse over every tile on the floor to find out which ones were locked down versus double clicked.
     
  25. FrejaSP

    FrejaSP Queen of The Outlaws
    Professional Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Campaign Patron The DarkOutlaws, TDO

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2001
    Messages:
    17,297
    Likes Received:
    3,248
    I think you did finish it, your floor is just to high to fit your new wall pieces and the one SE on the corner wall is raised from same tile as # 2 in your east row of floor tiles, but it is very hard to see, it can be tricky.

    I tested it, I have no problems.
    SE_corner.jpg
     
  26. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Sage
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    590
    Likes Received:
    111
    yes the one paver on the SE arch/wall piece was started as the piece/row above it. I left it there to show i can see that row from inside or underneath that addon/floor.
    hmmm so you think i should just lower it all and itll fall into place?