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[Tailoring] "too few Exceptional" Tailor BOD issue - MYSTERY SOLVED (read inside)

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  1. Basara

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    Here's what I've gotten so far....

    According to the game data, 50% of the BODs should be exceptional, between 70 & 99.9; at 100.0 and higher, the BODs should be 60% Exceptional, 40% normal....

    preliminary items: I normally keep my hat BODs separate from my other cloth BODs, because they can be used to train arms lore.

    Hat BODs: 120+ smalls - only 28 were Exceptional (between 25% & 30%)
    Other Cloth BODs: 72 BODs - only 11 were exceptional (less than 15%!).


    I'm currently undertaking a mass turn-in with a 120 Tailor; 147 new BODs will result, barring any accidental non-claiming of a BOD. I will sort these sometime Thursday (along with whatever BODs I get with the tailor in its normal runs).
     
  2. Basara

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    Okay, here's the data, and it's a bit disturbing....

    150 BODs from GM+ tailor.
    Expected return for a GM+: 90 (60%) Exceptional, 60 (40%) Normal
    ACTUAL results: 60 (40%) Exceptional, 90 (60%) Normal

    This is of a sample of 150 BODs, of all types. Here is a breakdown of the sample

    Type / Normal /Exceptional
    Cloth / 53 / 34
    Leather / 13 / 7
    Spined / 14 / 10
    Horned / 8 / 5
    Barbed / 2 / 4
    Totals / 90 / 60

    Hypothesis based on sample: Something is definitely wrong with the system - possibly accidental inversion of the ratio of Exceptional to Normal.
     
  3. Tina Small

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    Basara, do you have the normal/exceptional ratio for all skill level ranges, or a link where I can find that information? I'm slowly working on a few smiths and tailors on a couple of shards and may have some time this weekend to gather some more numbers for you at various ranges.

    Are the normal/exceptional ratios different for LBODs versus SBODs? Are the normal/exceptional ratios supposed to be the same for smithing and tailoring? Have you noticed anything that seems amiss with smithing BODs?
     
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    The rates for normal/exceptional should be the same for LBODs & SBODs, as it is the same routine that determines it for both.

    The normal/exceptional ratio is supposed to be... (both smith & tailor)
    0-69.9: 100% normal
    70-99.9: 50% normal, 50% exceptional
    100.0-120: 40% normal, 60% exceptional

    When the missing parentheses issue existed for smiths, there was an issue with smith BODs, but they disappeared totally with the fixes in publishes 48-50. Since publish 50, the Smith BOD numbers are running about dead on with expected values for the smalls (didn't distinguish between normal & exceptional when tracking my first 2100 smith BODs, but looking at my BOD books seems to bear it out)

    Standard/Colored ratios....
    Tailor:
    0-69.9: 100% regular material (cloth, low-end leather)
    70-120: 50% cloth, 50% leathers (not sure of exact breakdown; probably something like 40% leather, 30% spined, 20% horned, 10% barbed)

    Smith:
    0-69.9: 100% Iron
    70-109.9: 50% Iron weapons, 25% iron armor, 25% colored armor
    110.0-119.9: 50% Iron Weapons, 15% iron armor, 35% colored armor
    120.0: 50% iron weapons, 5% iron armor, 45% colored armor.

    I'd really like to get the real numbers for the tailoring breakdown by color.
     
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    Here is my data about smith and tailor BoD.
    Excerpted "Quality".

    Smith(skill=120.0)
    -quality-
    no request(normal) : 2008
    exceptional : 1992

    Smith(skill=100.0)
    -quality-
    no request(normal) : 726
    exceptional : 712

    Tailor(skill=120.0)
    -quality-
    no request(normal) : 437
    exceptional : 239
     
  6. Basara

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    Yep, that seems to indicate at least 50%/50% split for smith (instead of the 40%/60%, but within tolerences)....

    The tailor numbers though, which are supposed to be 50%/50% (or 40%/60%), are closer to 65%/35%, which is WAY off...
     
  7. Basara

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    Latest data from my sampling:

    175 BODs turned in

    108 Normal
    67 Exceptional
    (less than 38.3% Exceptional)
     
  8. Basara

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    Here's the latest update - looking more and more like confirmation of a real issue existing.

    Totals after 425 BODs recieved

    Type: Normal / Exceptional / Total / % Normal / % Exceptional
    Cloth: 168 / 75 / 243 / 69.14% / 30.86%
    Leather: 44 / 23 / 67 / 65.67% / 34.33%
    Spined: 45 / 22 / 67 / 67.16% / 32.84%
    Horned: 27 / 10 / 37 / 72.97% / 27.03%
    Barbed: 6 / 5 / 11 / 54.55% / 45.45%

    Totals: 290 / 135 / 425 / 68.24% / 31.76%
     
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    Basara,

    I just finished turning in some BODs with my Legendary Tailor, here are my results (in your same format):
    Total # of BODs turned in = 2367 (2175 Smalls, 192 Large)

    Type: Normal / Exceptional / Total / % Normal / % Exceptional
    Cloth: 780 / 411 / 1191 / 65.5% / 34.5%
    Leather: 262 / 111 / 373 / 70.2% / 29.8%
    Spined: 250 / 121 / 371 / 67.4% / 32.6%
    Horned: 108 / 70 / 178 / 60.7% / 39.3%
    Barbed: 30 / 32 / 62 / 48.4% / 51.6%

    Totals: 1430 / 745 / 2175 / 65.7% / 34.3% :(

    I concur that the normal/exceptional ratio is closer to 65%/35%, than the claim of 40%/60%. More information is needed to properly evaluate the barbed leather percentages. Alone, my barbed leather data is too small of a sample size. I hope this data is helpfull.

    Stayin Alive,

    BG

    See the chart for the raw data:

    [​IMG]
    Edit to try to get the chart to show. :)
     
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    Update:
    Totals after 648 BODs recieved

    Type: Normal / Exceptional / Total / % Normal / % Exceptional
    Cloth: 251 / 112 / 363 / 69.15% / 30.85%
    Leather: 75 / 32 / 107 / 70.09% / 29.91%
    Spined: 68 / 37 / 105 / 64.76% / 35.24%
    Horned: 35 / 15 / 50 / 70.00% / 30.00%
    Barbed: 16 / 7 / 23 / 69.57% / 30.43%

    Totals: 445 / 203 / 648 / 68.67% / 31.33%

    Note: out of 214 new BODs, 9 were smalls for Barbed kit larges, or about 1 in 24 (about the number I've always averaged). Compare that to the rate Valorite (or even valorite & verite conbined) hammer smalls occur...
     
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    Adding my numbers to Barry's
    Cloth 1031 / 523 / 1554 / 66.34% / 33.66%
    Leather 337 / 143 / 480 / 70.21% / 29.79%
    Spined 318 / 158 / 476 / 66.81% / 33.19%
    Horned 143 / 85 / 228 / 62.72% / 37.28%
    Barbed 46 / 39 / 85 / 54.12% / 45.88%

    Totals: 1875 / 948 / 2823 / 66.42% / 33.58%

    From this sample, we also get the numbers:
    Cloth: 55.05%
    Leather: 17.00%
    Spined: 16.86%
    Horned: 8.08%
    Barbed: 3.01%

    These numbers seem to be a bit off, as well, as one would expect something like
    Cloth 50%
    Leather 16.67%
    Spined 16.67%
    Horned 11.11%
    Barbed 5.55%

    is the chance of cloth really 55%, or is there another issue with the system as well?
     
  12. richiswhere1

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    I just turned in 111 tailoring bod's on my gm tailor and recieved the following

    79 normal
    32 exceptional
     
  13. Teufel_Hund

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    additional numbers

    455 Small BODs Turned in
    Normal: 299/65.71%
    Exceptional: 162/35.60%

    Legendary Tailor
     
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    After another 100 BODs (748 total)

    Percentages:
    Normal: 68.18%
    Exceptional: 31.82%
     
  15. Teufel_Hund

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    109 More turned in

    564 BODs Turned in
    Normal: 373/66.13%
    Exceptional: 198/35.10%
     
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    Teufel, check your numbers = they add up to 571 and it causes your exceptional numbers to be off. (normal+exceptional add up to 571, or 116 new BODs)
     
  17. Teufel_Hund

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    I know what it is I need to stop counting the BOD that I get if I have not turned any in for over 6 hours
     
  18. Teufel_Hund

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    140 more BODs turned in

    additional numbers

    704 Small BODs Turned in
    Normal: 463/65.76%
    Exceptional: 241/34.23%

    2BRSK Large BODs

    Legendary Tailor
     
  19. Basara

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    Current totals, from all the reports:

    4393 Total BODs

    Normal: 2936 (66.834%)
    Exceptional: 1457 (33.166%)
     
  20. Teufel_Hund

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    Pretty darned consistent
     
  21. Basara

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    Here's my report for just my BODs, as of 24 September 2008:

    Totals / types: Normal / Exceptional
    684 Cloth: 469 (68.57%) / 215 (31.43%)
    192 Leather: 131 (68.23%) / 61 (31.77%)
    208 Spined: 136 (65.38%) / 72 (34.62%)
    105 Horned: 75 (71.43%) / 30 (28.57%)
    39 Barbed: 25 (64.10%) / 14 (35.90%)

    1228 Total: 836 / 392
    Normal: 68.08%
    Exceptional: 31.92%
     
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    Update for 22 October 2008:

    Totals / types: Normal / Exceptional
    870 Cloth: 596 (68.51%) / 274 (31.49%)
    253 Leather: 176 (69.57%) / 77 (30.43%)
    274 Spined: 183 (66.79%) / 91 (33.21%)
    133 Horned: 93 (69.92%) / 40 (30.08%)
    47 Barbed: 27 (57.45%) / 20 (42.55%)

    1577 Total: 1075 / 502
    Normal: 68.17%
    Exceptional: 31.83%

    By material type:

    Cloth: 55.168%
    Leather: 16.043%
    Spined: 17.375%
    Horned: 8.434%
    Barbed: 2.98%

    By Leather type (without cloth):

    Leather: 35.785%
    Spined: 38.755%
    Horned: 18.812%
    Barbed: 6.648%
     
  23. Sir Kenga

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    Why so many normal quality.. i thought it should be a lot less when legendary tailor turns in.
     
  24. Setnaffa

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    I'm assuming you've reported this bug to EA/Mythic?
     
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    Yes, Jeremy and I exchanged a few emails on it last month. I'm gonna send her the updated information....
     
  26. somoka

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    any updates on the issue?
     
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    not yet... Part of the problem is that Jeremy had the information, and is now gone. Gonna send in a FOF suggestion this week.
     
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    Update for 10 December 2008:

    My BOD sampling only, 120 Tailor - BODs from turn-in old /request new BOD process only, not normal 6-hourly pulls.

    Totals / types: Normal / Exceptional
    960 Cloth: 653 (68.02%) / 307 (31.98%)
    276 Leather: 190 (68.84%) / 86 (31.16%)
    299 Spined: 202 (67.56%) / 97 (32.44%)
    147 Horned: 103 (70.07%) / 40 (29.93%)
    52 Barbed: 31 (59.62%) / 21 (40.38%)

    1734 Total: 1179 / 555
    Normal: 67.99%
    Exceptional: 32.01%

    By material type:

    Cloth: 55.363%
    Leather: 15.917%
    Spined: 17.243%
    Horned: 8.478%
    Barbed: 2.999%


    By Leather type (without cloth, but including footwear): 774 BODs

    Leather: 35.659%
    Spined: 38.630%
    Horned: 17.243%
    Barbed: 6.718%


    As usual, the tailor numbers still reflect a 2 normal to 1 exceptional ratio, or worse (in favor of normal), instead of the 50%/50% ratio that is supposed to exist 70-GM, or the 40% normal/60% exceptional, that documentation from the introduction of the BOD system says is supposed to exist at 100-120 skill for tailor & smith. (note the smith numbers, from a 2500 BOD test in the spring, is showing 50/50 at 120 skill, but all other numbers are hitting within 0.02% of expected numbers - I wish the same could be said of tailoring)
     
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    Update for 15 December 2008:

    I realized I had WAY too many smalls for CBD/Horned kit larges that I didn't have, so I filled a bunch of them (keeping up to 7 of each - 1 for each large BOD, and up to 3 each on my two BOD selling/storage vendors - I price all my vendor-stored BODs, for 2k to 5k each). I ended up with enough BODs that I filled a pack horse, and half-filled the beetle I was riding, with the cloth I got back (I use it to fill hat BODs with my archer to train Arms Lore, when I lack the wood to do heartwood quests, as well as to fill other cloth BODs that can't be filled with purchased items).

    My BOD sampling only, 120 Tailor - BODs from turn-in old /request new BOD process only, not normal 6-hourly pulls.

    Totals / types: Normal / Exceptional
    1088 Cloth: 742 (68.20%) / 346 (31.80%)
    315 Leather: 218 (69.21%) / 97 (30.79%)
    348 Spined: 234 (67.24%) / 97 (32.76%)
    163 Horned: 110 (67.48%) / 53 (32.52%)
    57 Barbed: 35 (61.40%) / 22 (38.60%)

    1971 Total: 1339 / 632
    Normal: 67.94%
    Exceptional: 32.06%

    By material type:

    Cloth: 55.200%
    Leather: 15.982%
    Spined: 17.656%
    Horned: 8.270%
    Barbed: 2.892%


    By Leather type (without cloth, but including footwear):

    Leather: 35.674%
    Spined: 39.411%
    Horned: 18.460%
    Barbed: 6.455%


    As usual, the tailor numbers still reflect a 2 normal to 1 exceptional ratio, or worse (in favor of normal), instead of the 50%/50% ratio that is supposed to exist 70-GM, or the 40% normal/60% exceptional, that documentation from the introduction of the BOD system says is supposed to exist at 100-120 skill for tailor & smith. (note the smith numbers, from a 2500 BOD test in the spring, is showing 50/50 at 120 skill, but all other numbers are hitting within 0.02% of expected numbers - I wish the same could be said of tailoring)
     
  30. I have a question. I'm a little new to tailoring (at 96.6 right now so a ways to go). But anyway I've looked around on Stratics and UOGuide and I can't find anywhere (besides this post) that says there should be 50% exceptional BODs. Maybe 1/3 exception is correct/intended. Where did you get the 50/50 figure from?
     
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    The original materials for the introduction of the Tailor BODs.

    Hanse on the Bulk Order Deeds This was the announcement of the Tailor system for Publish 16 (the Smith system had already been introduced, but was also expanded at the time). See line numbered 6. in the Tailor system description. Also note 1. in the Smith system; that bonus was defined as a 60/40 exceptional ratio for Exceptional/normal multiple times in the last 6 years by dev posts, though it appears that the bonus over the pre-GM 50/50 level may have been removed with the February BOD changes (intentionally or not).

    Most of the discussion threads on the ratios of BOD types date from 4-5 years ago, and are nearly impossible to find via searches, if they even survived May's forum incident (where an inept 3rd party host for Stratics accidentally formatted OUR machine instead of some other customer's - data recovery from formatted drives is neither fun nor cheap).
     
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    Update for 27 December 2008:

    Still trying to cycle out my excess CBD/Horned kit smalls (took forever to get the horned leather)

    My BOD sampling only, 120 Tailor - BODs from turn-in old /request new BOD process, plus the occasional 6-hourly pull by my only 120 tailor.

    Totals / types: Normal / Exceptional
    1247 Cloth: 845 (67.76%) / 402 (32.24%)
    354 Leather: 243 (68.64%) / 111 (31.36%)
    392 Spined: 264 (67.35%) / 128 (32.65%)
    186 Horned: 128 (68.82%) / 58 (31.18%)
    69 Barbed: 42 (60.87%) / 27 (39.13%)

    2248 Total: 1522 / 726
    Normal: 67.70%
    Exceptional: 32.30%

    By material type:

    Cloth: 55.472%
    Leather: 15.747%
    Spined: 17.438%
    Horned: 8.274%
    Barbed: 3.069%


    By Leather type (without cloth, but including footwear): 1001 BODs

    Leather: 35.365%
    Spined: 39.161%
    Horned: 18.581%
    Barbed: 6.893%


    Still the same unbalanced normal/exceptional rates, but there was an up-tick in horned & Barbed BODs (a very substantial one for the Barbed). out of 277 BODs, got 4 horned kit LBODs, and THIRTEEN Barbed kit small BODs. Anybody use feel a little irritated that about 1 in 20-25 Tailor BODs fits a Barbed Kit large, when the rate for the Smith equivalent smalls (verite & valorite hammers)is about 1 in 1000???
     
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    I asked a guildmate to turn in some BODs, once his tailor got to 100.0 (a much welcomed pause from training :sleep2:). I figured I would not be at any loss if he turned in a small sample size. Here are the normal/exceptional data from his turn-in.

    Total Deeds: Normal/Ecceptional
    50 Deeds: 40 Normal/ 10 Exceptional

    I did not seperate them by material type, due to the small sample size. :sad4:

    Stayin Aline,

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    As Basara pointed out, the ratios are way off.

    Updated Numbers after clearing out all my Turn-ins from both shards I play. This is basically a month's worth of Turn-ins:

    Total BODs turned in: 1,339
    Normal BODs Received: 890 (66.47%)
    Exceptional BODs Received: (33.53%)

    I'm reporting my updated number to EA/Mythic.
     
  35. grandpa otis

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    BASRA, Have you heard anything that makes you think this situation is going to be rectified in the NEAR future? Accumulating books of filled bods awaiting better news :)
     
  36. Basara

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    I was exchanging info with Jeremy, then she was let go by EA. I've not yet had Regine or one of the devs comment on it, after resending the links to my data to Regine. PErhaps we should all do bug reports again
     
  37. grandpa otis

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    Alright you guys, you heard him,,,You Legendary Tailors out there collect 20 bods and when you get only 5-7 "exceptional" take the time to send in the bug report!! The squeaky wheel gets the grease so quit grumbling and reach for the grease :)
     
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    Numbers still look the same.

    205 BODs

    Normal cloth Sm/Lg 64/8 72 64.8%
    Exc. cloth Sm/Lg 36/3 39 35.1%

    Normal leathers Sm/Lg 59/3 62 65.9%
    Exc. leathers Sm/Lg 28/4 32 34%


    Total = 65.3% normals 34.6 exceptionals
     
  39. Basara

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    Update for 5 March 2009:

    Still trying to cycle out my excess CBD/Horned kit smalls.

    My BOD sampling only, 120 Tailor - BODs from turn-in old /request new BOD process, plus the occasional 6-hourly pull by my only 120 tailor.

    Totals / types: Normal / Exceptional
    1401 Cloth: 954 (68.09%) / 447 (31.91%)
    422 Leather: 286 (67.77%) / 136 (32.23%)
    460 Spined: 310 (67.39%) / 150 (32.61%)
    217 Horned: 156 (71.89%) / 61 (28.11%) (this took a big hit - only 3 horned were exceptional out of 31)
    79 Barbed: 47 (59.49%) / 32 (41.51%)

    2579 Total: 1753 / 826 (wow - exactly 100 Ex)
    Normal: 67.97%
    Exceptional: 32.03%
    Change from last sampling: +0.27% normal

    By material type:

    Cloth: 54.323%
    Leather: 16.363%
    Spined: 17.836%
    Horned: 8.414%
    Barbed: 3.063%


    By Leather type (without cloth, but including footwear): 1178 BODs

    Leather: 35.823%
    Spined: 39.049%
    Horned: 18.421%
    Barbed: 6.706%


    Lots of oddities this time. Abnormally low number of horned exceptionals, and out of NINE small BODs for the 20-count Normal Town Cryer set, SEVEN were the shirt! There's less than a 0.14% Chance of 7 or more, out of nine, being the same, if the chances are equal for the 4 cloth smalls for that 5-part large.
     
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    120 tailor, all from hand in to get a new bod.

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  41. Sharantyr

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    Part 2

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    And the totals for this and the above post.

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    My opinion is this reduction from a half to a third is intentional to reduce the number of barbed runic kits since 6 of the 7 possible kit rewards come from exceptional large bods.
     
  42. Basara

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    Actually, there are NOT 7 Barbed kit larges. There are EIGHTEEN larges that give barbed (9 if you solely go by counts, since there are two different larges for each count; male/female, or studded/bone for 5-part)

    2 Spined 20 EX (6-part) larges
    6 Horned EX (6-part) larges
    6 Barbed EX (6-part) larges
    2 Barbed 20 EX (5-part) larges
    2 Barbed 20 Normal (6-part) larges

    IF it was intentional, it would be nice to know - but the Devs have not said so, and EVERY official source, going back to the start of Tailor BODs, says 50/50, with a further exceptional bonus for GM tailors.
     
  43. Sharantyr

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    Yes of course. my mistake, was rushing and didn't remember to add the 2 types of armors etc.

    Wasn't there some problem in the past where tailors were always waiting for the large BODs and smiths were always waiting for the smalls?
     
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    yeah - they fixed the problem with the smith BODs (it was a missing closing parenthesis in a formula). Tailors are STILL waiting for larges. But, as we both pointed out, that's not necessarily a bad thing, considering the relative commonality of the Barbed kit BODs.
     
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    More data from 4-11-2009 from my 120 Tailor:

    Small BODs Returned Summary
    Type / Normal / Exceptional / Total / % Normal / % Exceptional
    Cloth / 698 / 353 / 1051 / 66.4 / 33.6
    Leather / 232 / 112 / 344 / 67.4 / 32.6
    Spined / 264 / 121 / 385 / 68.6 / 31.4
    Horned / 150 / 57 / 207 / 72.5 / 27.5
    Barbed / 36 / 16 / 52 / 69.2 / 30.8
    Totals / 1380 / 659 / 2039 / 67.7 / 32.3

    Raw Data
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    The RNG took me on my Horned deeds. :cursing:

    Stayin Alive,

    BG
     
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    Basara -

    Thanks for taking the charge on this one. I've forwarded this thread and a personal email to Patrick/Leurocian on this as well and asked him to investigate/comment here.

    He and I had a rather lengthy exchange last year where we got to the bottom of the mage armor leather armor issue and addressed many of the 'double roll' bugs in crafting.

    Personally I'd like to see the whole system get overhauled to some sort of point system where you turn in bods and get points to spend on rewards. That way you can save up for the rewards you want. As it is - about 50% of bods have no value other than turn ins because the reward is pointless. +10 Tailor PS anyone? No one in their right mind would do a Spined 20 Bone Nm Large for a +10 scroll.

    Ok, i'll pipe down now and wait for Patrick to have a look.

    *crosses fingers*
     
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    Update for 15 May 2009:

    Still trying to cycle out my excess CBD/Horned kit smalls.

    My BOD sampling only, 120 Tailor - BODs from turn-in old /request new BOD process, plus the occasional 6-hourly pull by my only 120 tailor. This time, adding 180 BODs to the previous sample (and, by coincidence, changing the total number of BODs from 2579 to 2759)

    Totals / types: Normal / Exceptional
    1498 Cloth: 1031 (68.83%) / 467 (31.17%) (total normals up 0.74% from March)
    453 Leather: 309 (68.21%) / 144 (31.79%) (total normals up 0.44%)
    491 Spined: 331 (67.41%) / 160 (32.59%) (total normals only up 0.02%)
    235 Horned: 168 (71.49%) / 67 (28.51%) (total normals down 0.4% - probably sdjusting from the abnormal amount of horned normals last time)
    82 Barbed: 49 (59.76%) / 33 (41.24%) (too few to do comparison with only 3 this sample, and 82 overall)

    2759 Total: 1888 / 871
    Normal: 68.43%
    Exceptional: 31.57%
    Change from last sampling: +0.46% normal
    (up 0.73% from two updates ago)

    By material type:

    Cloth: 54.295% (down)
    Leather: 16.419% (up)
    Spined: 17.796% (down)
    Horned: 8.518% (up)
    Barbed: 2.972% (down)


    By Leather type (without cloth, but including footwear): 1261 BODs

    Leather: 35.924% (up 0.101%)
    Spined: 38.937% (down 0.112%)
    Horned: 18.636% (up 0.215%)
    Barbed: 6.503% (down 0.203%)
     
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    Update for 29 May 2009:

    My BOD sampling only, 120 Tailor - BODs from turn-in old /request new BOD process, plus the occasional 6-hourly pull by my only 120 tailor.

    This time, adding 141 BODs to the previous sample to bring it up to an even 2900.

    Totals / types: Normal / Exceptional
    1568 Cloth: 1085 (69.20%) / 483 (30.80%) (total normals up 1.11% from March, up 0.37% from last sample 2 weeks ago)
    482 Leather: 328 (68.05%) / 154 (31.95%) (total normals up 0.28% since March, but actually showing a 0.16% drop from 2 weeks ago)
    517 Spined: 352 (68.09%) / 160 (31.91%) (total normals only up 0.70% since March, with a whopping 0.68% increase since 2 weeks ago)
    248 Horned: 176 (70.97%) / 72 (29.03%) (total normals down 0.92% from March - probably still adjusting from the abnormal amount of horned normals then. Drop was 0.52% this month)
    85 Barbed: 52 (61.18%) / 33 (38.82%) (too few to do comparison with; only 3 this sample - is starting to approach the numbers for the other material types, as we get more in, though)

    2900 Total: 1993 / 907
    Normal: 68.72%
    Exceptional: 31.28%
    Change from last sampling: +0.29% normal
    (up 1.02% from three updates ago)

    By material type:

    Cloth: 54.069% (down)
    Leather: 16.621% (up)
    Spined: 17.828% (up)
    Horned: 8.552% (up)
    Barbed: 2.931% (down)


    By Leather type (without cloth, but including footwear): 1332 BODs

    Leather: 36.186% (up 0.162%)
    Spined: 38.814% (down 0.123%)
    Horned: 18.619% (down 0.017%)
    Barbed: 6.381% (down 0.122%)

    Note that, by comparison, Smith BODs had ceased showing this much variability in anything under Valorite BODs, LONG before reaching 2500 total BODs (where I ended that sampling run). In fact, each Tailor BOD sample I do, alters most of the numbers more than the average departure from the expected numbers for the smith BODs, with a smaller total sample size. It's like comparing a pendulum (smith) to the Tacoma Narrows bridge (tailor) that occillated itself into pieces.
     
  49. Wilki

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    I just checked the play guide, and it doesn't specify what percentage of of tailoring BODs should be exceptional. Can you point me in the direction of the source that says they should be 50%?

    Thanks!
     
  50. Basara

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    April 3, 2002 - by some miracle this was still searchable on uo.com

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    [SIZE=-1]Hanse on the Bulk Order System[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Apr 3 2002 2:39PM[/SIZE]
     
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