1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Greetings Guest!!

    In order to combat SPAM on the forums, all users are required to have a minimum of 2 posts before they can submit links in any post or thread.

    Dismiss Notice

Town Loyalty : "what if" one has a change of mind ??

Discussion in 'UHall' started by popps, Feb 5, 2012.

  1. popps

    popps Always Present
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2004
    Messages:
    13,445
    Likes Received:
    461
    As in regards the Town Loyalty, "what if" a player starts defending a town, gets even a step or two up in the loyalty ladder, but then has a change of mind and wants to change Town to which be loyal ?

    That is, the player starts defending that other Town.

    I assume that starting to difend a different Town, the loyalty to this new Town will go up but the question is, what would happen in regards to the Town Loyalty that the player decided not to defend any longer ? The Loyalty will just decay and go back to unknown ?

    Or what else ?
     
  2. Ron Silverbeard

    Ron Silverbeard Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran Alumni

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2011
    Messages:
    1,741
    Likes Received:
    576
    It will go back from positive to negative loyality in that town..
    Example:
    You defend Moonglow
    Decide to switch to Brit
    Earn loyality at Brit but will lose it to Moonglow and even worse, will change to negative in Moonglow means, you get HATED there but LOVED at Brit..
     
  3. gunneroforgin

    gunneroforgin Slightly Crazed
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 21, 2008
    Messages:
    1,297
    Likes Received:
    30
    This is a tacky event. I can't wait until september when it well be over.
     
  4. popps

    popps Always Present
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2004
    Messages:
    13,445
    Likes Received:
    461

    Is there a way to go back to neutral (Unknown) rather than Hated ?

    For example, one day on a shard I play there were Raiders in Minoc.

    I had not done Raiders yet and so, to try it out, I went to Minoc and did a few. I really do not have any particular interest in minoc, I just went there to try out the Raiders which, at that time, were there.........

    I also put out a few fire here and there and arrested some angry protesters (like 2 or 3 that I can remember).

    Anyways, now I am Commended in Minoc and Unknown everywhere else.

    Say that I decide with this character to defend for good Britain, my Loyalty with Britain will go up, of course.

    But what will happen about Minoc ? Will I be hated in Minoc meaning that this Town will be off limits to this character now on ?

    I kinda need to know because this character is also one I use as a miner and so, I kinda happen to need to go to minoc sometimes......

    I just want to know if now I am stuck having to continue with Minoc as Town Loyalty in order to keep all other Towns as Unknown or, being Commended the first step in Loyalty, I am still in time to change Town and pick another Town to defend........
     
  5. Faeryl

    Faeryl Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran Alumni

    Joined:
    May 23, 2008
    Messages:
    2,059
    Likes Received:
    476
    Or you could give the arc a chance to pick up speed before you make a decision... Your choice though.
     
  6. gunneroforgin

    gunneroforgin Slightly Crazed
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 21, 2008
    Messages:
    1,297
    Likes Received:
    30
    I never have been a fan of invasions. I have played every arc that has come out since 2001 though. This one will be no exception however, I would rather go fishing.
     
  7. popps

    popps Always Present
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2004
    Messages:
    13,445
    Likes Received:
    461


    Well, even if it gained speed this would not help much, IMHO, unless we could get to know more about it.

    As of now, without having a clue of how it works, I am kinda stuck of not being able to play this Event with this character as I would prefer not to continue gaining Loyalty in Minoc has I have not much interest in this town (but could not afford having it being off limits to my miner...) but I am worried to gain Loyalty in another Town of more interest to me because I have no idea of what would happen with my Loyalty in Minoc if I started gaining in another Town.

    So, this lack of information besically turns out in an unplayability of this character for this Event.

    Not cool at all..............
     
  8. Faeryl

    Faeryl Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran Alumni

    Joined:
    May 23, 2008
    Messages:
    2,059
    Likes Received:
    476
    Considering you were commended already, your loyalty in Minoc will go negative if you switch, but I don't believe the city would be "off limits" as you put it.
     
  9. Wenchkin

    Wenchkin Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran Alumni

    Joined:
    May 16, 2008
    Messages:
    2,779
    Likes Received:
    434
    Why not log onto Test Center and see what happens for yourself?

    Wenchy
     
  10. Popps you can't be considered very loyal if you change your mind. I think they should have an option for those that break loyalty.

    Seriously... especially if you go on killing the town of those you were once loyal.

    A kinslayer almost.
     
  11. Viper09

    Viper09 Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 16, 2008
    Messages:
    6,680
    Likes Received:
    824
    popps, just pick a town you like and defend it. You should have more than enough characters to pick your share of different towns if your end-goal is nothing more than prepare for getting items at the end of the event. Changing towns wont do diddly squat other than slightly affect loyalty of another. Your situation is FAR from unplayability.

    Personally I like not knowing everything yet. If they laid out the entire plan for this event it would be a big spoiler and kind of ruin the fun of the game.
     
  12. Larisa

    Larisa Reporting Manager
    Editor Reporter Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Editor Fallen Lords

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2006
    Messages:
    4,345
    Likes Received:
    1,958
    If you type in *Town Loyalty* in the search box you'll find TONS of threads and information about your question.

    It's been discussed over and over and tested and posted.

    Lack of information there is NOT regarding this subject.

    It's been stated MANY times, even by Mesanna, that you should choose ONE town and ONE town only to be loyal to. If you have loyalty in one town and gain in another, your loyalty will reflect that.
     
  13. popps

    popps Always Present
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2004
    Messages:
    13,445
    Likes Received:
    461

    Unfortunately, that is the only information available (i.e. going negative loyalty if there is a change of mind...). I did a search of the posts existing but I could not find anything anywere about the consequences to having negative loyalty in any given Town which, is the information I am seeking to make up my mind on what to do. That is, whether to actually change my Loyalty to another Town other then Minoc or be forced to stick with Minoc to avoid damaging consequences if I go negative there with my loyalty.

    Without being able to know what the consequences to my choices and actions will be, how on earth can I make a responsible choice for my character ?? This lack of informations (about the consequences to negative loyalty) is what is getting me stuck to not advancing in Minoc nor trying to pursue Loyalty in a better Town of my choice....That is, not being able to play this Event with this character any further until I can know more about what the consequences to my actions will be as far as negative Town loyalty goes........
     
  14. old gypsy

    old gypsy Grand Poobah
    Professional Stratics Veteran Campaign Patron PITMUCK

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2010
    Messages:
    5,842
    Likes Received:
    5,282
    popps, I don't think we're supposed to know every possible outcome ahead of time. We were warned that it was important for a character to pick one town and remain loyal to only that town. If there are consequences for not doing that, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Having every answer available at the start of something is kind of like reading the ending of a book before you read the first chapter. :)
     
  15. goldenpower

    goldenpower Guest

    I don't think it's going to be "over"

    my guess is town loyalty will become part of the game and this spring/summer/fall we will end up having Spirituality virtue defined
     
  16. LadyNico

    LadyNico Always Present
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    May 13, 2003
    Messages:
    14,719
    Likes Received:
    1
    It's a little bit like being in total darkness with a lollipop and you don't know what flavour it is. Sometimes, popps, you just have to suck it and see.
     
  17. popps

    popps Always Present
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2004
    Messages:
    13,445
    Likes Received:
    461

    Well, I am not asking for "every" information on the Event, I just would like to know what the consequences to negative Loyalty would be, in order to be able to responsibly make up my mind to either have to continue gaining Loyalty with Minoc (which I would rather NOT TO if I could choose.....) or be able to change my loyalty pledge to a different Town.

    The game is about choices, sure, but choices need informations first, in order for me to make them responsibly.........
     
  18. popps

    popps Always Present
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2004
    Messages:
    13,445
    Likes Received:
    461

    Well, but if the taste is not something I feel comfortable with and I "fear" could get me sick, I am incline to stop eating it unless I know it won't make me sick even if it tastes weird...

    That's the same with the negative loyalty.

    As of now, it is stopping my game play with this character for this Event because I "would like" to make a change to a different Town, but I have no idea how bad the consequences will be with that Town when the loyalty will turn negative for the change of mind.

    What I am trying to say, is that if I knew that the consequences would not be major (that is, they won't get my character "sick" for switching town...), then I'd do what I would like to, just pick another Town to defend I am more willing to, and keep on going.

    But as of now, without informations, I am not sure whether the penalities as in regards to the standing of this character with the Town of Minoc would be so bad to make it a very very bad decision.

    And so, for lack of knowledge, I am stuck to no longer playing this character with this Event.

    I am neither advancing in Loyalty with Minoc as I would not want to make things worse in case I then change to a different Town, nor I am pursuing loyalty with a different Town to avoid making the loyalty to Minoc go into negative.

    That is, I am effectively stuck for good with this one character for this Event, unable to play it, until I know what the consequences to negative loyalty will be.

    And this, IMHO, is no fun................
     
  19. Petra Fyde

    Petra Fyde Peerless Chatterbox
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2001
    Messages:
    30,889
    Likes Received:
    5,175
    You have all the information that is currently available to us. I suggest, since your miner uses Minoc, that character support Minoc, or at least does not support any other town.
    Use a different character to support other towns.

    I saw an announcement that there were raiders in Yew, but I was helping Magincia with the character I had logged in, because she has a stall there. I knew there would be bad consequences from hunting these raiders with that char - though not what those consequences would be.
    I switched characters to go look for the Yew raiders. My Petra Fyde char lives close to Yew and banks there, therefore she is supporting Yew.
     
  20. Martyna Zmuir

    Martyna Zmuir Crazed Zealot

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2007
    Messages:
    3,052
    Likes Received:
    632
    This would require effort. Popps hasn't made nearly 12,000 posts by actually logging in and discovering things for himself, he'd rather come here are ask repetative questions...then debate the answers endlessly.
     
  21. Pssst. I hear the best rewards are coming out of Vesper for loyalty. Don't ask me. I will deny it.
     
  22. popps

    popps Always Present
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2004
    Messages:
    13,445
    Likes Received:
    461


    Well, without official informations, the players posts I have read, sometimes are not exactly in line with each other since players can only get a feeling of how it works by playing the game....

    For example, as in regards to raiders which is what we are talking about here, I have read posts of players saying that by doing Raiders in different Towns their loyalty did not decrease in their starting Town. Unless I recall it as wrong, I think I recall seeing a pic of Town Loyalty gump with more than 1 Town in the positive.... But then, I also read other posts saying that with loyalty in 2+ different Towns once one of those Towns' Loyalties starts going up, the other(s) go down into the negative....

    I mean, I find the players' informations confusing and sometimes differing to one another.
    I'd rather hear something official to the way it really works so as to be able to make my choices more responsibly.........
     
  23. popps

    popps Always Present
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2004
    Messages:
    13,445
    Likes Received:
    461


    It is not a matter of effort, more about time available I would say.....

    Regardless, playing the game only gives, as I see it, a personal feeling of what the mechanics might be not really get a player to know how the system works.

    Besides, even if one could play the Test server extensively, I fail to see how a player could get to find out the consequences of having negative loyalty to any given Town.

    Since this is a long lasting Event to my understanding (I heard up to September), perhaps the consequences to having bad loyalty to a Town are not yet in and so, not findable on the Test server regardless of how much time one could have to play there....

    Yet, the Developers who designed the Event, should have a good idea of it.

    I am just asking to be able to inform myself to make a responsible choice. That's it.

    If other players consider this a spoiler, then the Developers could post it as often it is done on these Forums, hidden under a "spoiler" link. Those who want to access the information will use it, those who want to stay without knowing it will not use it.

    I do not see how this can possibly be too much to ask......
     
  24. popps

    popps Always Present
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2004
    Messages:
    13,445
    Likes Received:
    461

    You know, my problem is not really about knowing which Town will give best rewards, I do not even have a clue whether there will be rewards at all for being loyal to any given Town....

    My concern is more about the consequences to having negative Loyalty to a given Town because I am worried that negative loyalty might hinder my full access to that Town thus severely limiting my gameplay with that given character in that given Town.

    Keep the rewards secret if that needs to be, but let players know, at least as a "Spoiler", what will be the consequences to having negative loyalty to any given town.
     
  25. old gypsy

    old gypsy Grand Poobah
    Professional Stratics Veteran Campaign Patron PITMUCK

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2010
    Messages:
    5,842
    Likes Received:
    5,282
    Since there is no way to predict future "consequences" at this time, just do what you want, popps. Personally, I'd pick one town and stick with it.
     
  26. Popps. Pick a town you dont go to. Problem solved. A bit extreme thinking your game play will be SEVERLY limited. Geez man... its a game. What does a town have you cant find in another town?

    I myself find 90% of the town abandoned.
     
  27. LadyNico

    LadyNico Always Present
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    May 13, 2003
    Messages:
    14,719
    Likes Received:
    1
    You won't even taste it, popps, without being told what flavour it is. In this scenario, your fear dictates that you starve.

    I can't help but wonder, what if the worst penalties are reserved for those failing to declare any town loyalty at all? :eyes:
     
  28. Sir_Bolo

    Sir_Bolo Sage
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2003
    Messages:
    648
    Likes Received:
    88
    As I see it, you are roleplaying this character with this Event perfectly.

    Your character is more loyal to himself than to his hometown of Britain, because he is afraid that a good reputation in Britain might hurt his business in Minoc. Therefore, he chose to remain uninvolved and he is not helping any town, and as a result all of the towns ignore him.

    I like the fact that we are forced to choose town Loyalty with limited information at this stage, it makes an "emotional" roleplaying choice more meaningful.
     
  29. Wenchkin

    Wenchkin Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran Alumni

    Joined:
    May 16, 2008
    Messages:
    2,779
    Likes Received:
    434
    Popps, every day of our lives we make decisions where we cannot anticipate our future. Sometimes you just have to make a decision without knowing what will happen.

    We are only talking about a character in a computer game :)

    In the time you've taken to post here several times, you could certainly have created a character and made them an enemy of a particular city. You could at least have done a bit of testing for yourself with the game as it stands on TC.

    How can you know if consequences aren't in place, if you don't make the effort to find out for yourself?

    If you don't want to take the time to test, just keep that character loyal to Minoc. Your other characters can be loyal elsewhere.

    Wenchy
     
  30. Viper09

    Viper09 Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 16, 2008
    Messages:
    6,680
    Likes Received:
    824
    Here is an idea popps. Go on test center, replicate your situation, and see what happens when you change your town. Better than spending your time here repeating your self over and over about how you wish we knew all the spoilers right now.
     
  31. popps

    popps Always Present
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2004
    Messages:
    13,445
    Likes Received:
    461


    Well, thing is that I sincerely hope that the current Event is geared towards making Towns yet again a place to go to for players..........

    Of course, in order for this to happen, as I see it, the Towns will need to differentiate from each other and make it so that players will find a particular reason, be it an item to buy or to find, a quest to do, whatever, only in that particular Town and nowhere else.....

    Only in such a way players will have reasons to repopulate Towns. By the way, I also hope that they will make all towns a recall off-limits area. No more hopping in and out of a Town with recall or Sacred Journey, only walking........ We need again players to see players wandering around Towns for their in-game errands and have chances to bump into each other and create social occasions to talk among them........
    If one has to get in Town with pets they will need to do it at the outskirts of the Town limits with a Gate and then enter the Town boundaries walking with their pets.......

    Of course, if what I hope will come true, this means that having negative Loyalty to a Town will have down sides to being able to fully interact with that Town with that particular character with all that means should that character have particular needs to access that Town for the specialties that it will provide.

    This is all guessing on my side, of course, but enough for me not to want to go into the negative loyalty with any of my characters.........
     
  32. Ludes

    Ludes Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    Messages:
    2,382
    Likes Received:
    648
    *shakes head*

    sheesh popps..
    Always gotta be the devils advocate don't ya?

    i'm sure you have a favorite town. however...

    Maybe you should just sit this event out.. there will be others.
     
  33. old gypsy

    old gypsy Grand Poobah
    Professional Stratics Veteran Campaign Patron PITMUCK

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2010
    Messages:
    5,842
    Likes Received:
    5,282
    Now you've gone and given popps something else to worry about. rolleyes:

    With all the characters people have, especially those with multiple accounts, I doubt being "unknown" will have a negative impact, since the Devs surely know that few players, if any, will be using all of their characters in the quest for loyalty points. :)
     
  34. Viper09

    Viper09 Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 16, 2008
    Messages:
    6,680
    Likes Received:
    824
    Exactly. You have absolutely no idea. Why not assume something positive for a change and stop expecting the worst when all you're doing is guessing.
     
  35. goldenpower

    goldenpower Guest

    if you are that worried about it I highly suggest you do not go negative in any towns at all.

    other players have gone negative and when they find out what the penalty is, as an avid reader of this forum, you will be one of the first to know.
     
  36. Gowron

    Gowron Guest

    Popps, do you ever just play the game for enjoyment?

    Pick a char to defend a town, pick another to defend another based on what you want to do vice what you get. You'll have more fun that way.

    Worrying about the end game does nothing except take away from the fun of just playing the game.
     
  37. GreywolfUK

    GreywolfUK Sage
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2003
    Messages:
    502
    Likes Received:
    8
    Popps, what is the point of knowing all the answers before the event has ended, sometimes it is like Real Life, a crap shoot, we make our choices and live by our mistakes, it is what makes us who we are. Knowing everything before hand just takes away the fun and experience of the journey.

    Play the game, for that is all it is in the end a game. Or as I told you once before, go play something safer, like tiddlywinks or something less stressful. On second thoughts maybe not :sad3::sad3::sad3: :p :p
     
  38. Stig

    Stig Guest

    Pick a town, any town, pacify, arrest and subdue. Is there anything else to say...NO.
     
  39. Sean

    Sean Slightly Crazed
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2003
    Messages:
    1,376
    Likes Received:
    140
    I would then ask, why did you bother to go ahead and defend a town without "all" of the information " in order for me to make them responsibly...."?
    Didn't seem to bother ya when you went ahead without the info you seem to crave.