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trail accs

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Morgy123, Jan 11, 2015.

  1. Morgy123

    Morgy123 Journeyman

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    would it be posseble to only let trail accs go new haven would end all this bot looting in idocs and so

    last big house i went to idoc there was atlest 60 jung ones scripting

    now how is a paying costmor gona compeat with stuff like that

    wen to fix this is easy just make so trail accs only can go new haven and stay there to they pay for game then free to do as we all are
     
  2. The Craftsman

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    Terrible idea. The whole point of trial accounts is to entice people into the game in the hope they will upgrade to a full subscription account. limit those players to Haven and they will quit within a couple of hours and never look back. Im not saying IDOC's arent a problem (actually in my opinion when a house falls it should just disappear with everything in it) but your solution isnt the right one.
     
  3. Morgy123

    Morgy123 Journeyman

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    yes and there plenty to do in new haven for 14 days and if they did that you would not have bot problems like this idoc hunting is a skill and suposed to be fun and free for all this days its 1 -2 guys that grab all because they use free trail accs
     
  4. The Craftsman

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    Nonsense. Anyone bound to New Haven for two weeks would give up and leave long before the 2 weeks was up. As for IDOCS maybe there is a problem. This however isnt the solution.
     
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  5. Alex"Drake Iron Heart"CS

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    Make a setting for youngs not to be able to be less than 20 tiles away from an Idoc Zone, same way we have that re-place house timer that avoid placing, some sort of code that dosnt allow them to come close and if they do, they get teleported out
     
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  6. Alex"Drake Iron Heart"CS

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    Although IDOCs are nothing spectacular or proud to be of, They are still a life line for some to make money and get stuff that would take years to get, especially if its a Vet reward. Trial accs are just being abused to an extent it literally blocks the paying customers from having a chance, which in turn does make people leave the game,as they find it uneven and unfair to compete against someone who is Scripting, Or are all now allowed to script for IDOCS!!
    This is not a new thing and has been spoken many times, seems no one is taking notice.... In the upper circles of the UO Core.
    Someone said a funny theory to me which made a lot of sense and made me think.....
    These scripters everyone is rambling about, obv have been playing this game for a very long time and knows how to write code very well to be able to get lots of stuff very quickly. The point that my friend came across was, that its has to be someone in the upper circles, EMs, Devs, Code writter for UO or even the staff of UO and Broadsword. As its not normal for a company to be receiving complaints from their customers and they dont do a single thing or play blind eye, Now I come to think, Why is this like this? Why is no one trying to check the problems out or find a solution??? As my friend said, someone's greed to is too big and is blinding them somewhere, Not saying its the backstaff of the game, but there is something very smelly in this whole story....
     
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  7. petemage

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    You couldnt even take a young to your house to build him a suit. That shard tours deadbob used to do wouldn't also be possible.

    This is a horrible idea. Punish all trials instead oft policing the idiot running the army.
     
  8. Morgy123

    Morgy123 Journeyman

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    well lets not forget that all they have to do is to pay then all good like we all do
     
  9. petemage

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    Broadsword must enforce ToS and crap on the people who massively abuse this. But they dodge and let people go on. Its revenue over ToS anytime unless you say dupe 10k tokens.

    Original OP is still way shortsighted.

    The second they ban youngs from IDOCs people will go back and whine of script looting or timers.
     
  10. The Craftsman

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    Youre completely missing the point. The idea of a trial account is to make people WANT to pay to play, not to put them off for life.
     
  11. azmodanb

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    if they just made it so young were not allowed within a certain tile radius of any house that's decaying problem solved.. but of course only with young trial accounts

    it would have to be trial account in general cuz you can just renounce young player status and bam .. good to go.

    there would still be scripting of course BUT at least said scripters would have to pay.. generating profit
     
  12. FrejaSP

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    Now, I don't really care about the problems with Trial accounts on normal shards but I would love to see some changes for Siege Perilous. My wishes are very different from the ones seeing in this thread.

    This below should only count on Siege and Mugen

    1) Let Trial accounts use General Chat. We can handle the few abusing it, we will just put them on ignore. It is more important, that new and returning players can get contact to the community as we do not hang out in town and do not have New Haven.

    2) Let them go everywhere, also Fel dungeons, as we will just kill them if they make trouble.

    3) Changes it so new chars can't be started in VvV Towns, it's a little hard start for a Trial account char to end up orange and get killed, not knowing, that some towns can be dangerous.

    On Siege we want new and returning players to get a better chance that they have now. I don't really believe we have trouble with bot accounts.
     
  13. LetheGL

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    • Make the house placement buffer area at an IDOC ( 5 tiles front/back 1 tile on either side ) a non-consensual pvp zone regardless of facet.
    • Add a spell similar to exorcism but instead of kicking ghosts out of a champ spawn it would kick trial accounts back to New Haven. Or better yet, so it isn't a class specific thing, use one of the two unused virtues ( Humility/Spirituality ).
    My two cents..
     
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  14. Dixie chessy/legends

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    the no young title within X amount of squares from an idoc is stupid. to much coding and lots of forseen bugs with paying customers . not to mention u could just drop the young title and still run x amount of accounts ......the only way to fix this ...ONLY way, is to restrict trail accounts......yes new haven is boring , thats where the Devs need to do some revamping.....if newbs could go to new haven and ish that would be fine.....there would be a town to bank and train at and lots of hunting in ish. open gen chat back up to them because some people do watch for young players and help them along. they could call out for help or make friends with guilds. but between haven and ish that is plenty. its a trial remember.....thats allot to try
     
  15. Scribbles

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    Restricting Trial accounts to new haven and ilshenar should do it. new players have a chance to see some cool stuff and no more abusing the system for idocers. Win win...
     
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    Hardly a win for trials to loose 80% of all dungeons and whole trammel. Just for a handful greedy IDOCers. This isnt going to get better the more it is recited.

    When was the last time you guys picked up a young at haven? Dont you guys take Youngs to your houses? Dont you take them a round through shame? Show them Luna, NM, and so on. Maybe you should try that again instead of going rampage because someone cheats you in picking up free stuff from the ground.

    I would rather support some auto help stuck logic when an unpaid account gets too close to an IDOC.
     
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  17. MalagAste

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    Those saying it's not a problem haven't tried to loot an IDOC lately. It's beyond ridiculous. What's really sad is they obviously script it pretty heavily. What's really sad is that if they restrict Trial Accounts much more there won't be much to trial...

    I don't know what the solution is. Honestly they could just use paid accounts to do it and keep their youthful status. That will last and last as long as they don't actually put any skills on the characters if I'm not mistaken. So paid or unpaid the problem remains. One person comes on 10 or more accounts all bound to one person.... they name them so lame it's completely obvious what's going on. Then they autobot loot stuff so fast it's totally insane. Makes the average "non-scripting" person pretty much unable to loot. I have watched 3 or 4 IDOC's recently one belonging to a friend who left the game and I wasn't able to "save" much of anything from their house when it fell. Sadly most their personal things were taken by the bots.... and I'm sure trashed. Not really sure what the solution is... But I'm sad to say I don't think restricting the Trial accounts to Haven will fix it. As I said you have no way of knowing if those accounts are paid or unpaid. One assumes they are unpaid trial accounts. But you can't be certain. And even if they did restrict them ..... youngs can still be at an IDOC on paid accounts and still script loot the house faster than you can blink.

    I rather like the idea of there being some sort of Mob spawn that you can kill to loot and get the stuff. But again that's a whole heck of a lot of coding. I do NOT agree with having it go to some auction or something since that only rewards the rich. Honestly don't know what the solution would be. Perhaps to just have IDOC's just randomly fall without the house sign saying anything at all outwardly... however this would hurt anyone who watches houses for friends. Maybe if it were only visible to those who are a friend of the house on mouseover.... otherwise well.... they just fall..... and if someone happens by then it's their lucky day otherwise the stuff would time out in 2 hours. I don't know.... that would be kinda harsh.... but it's a solution. Not really a good one either. Who knows.

    All I know is it's extremely annoying. Just like the Multiboxers at EM events.
     
  18. Larisa

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    http://uo2.stratics.com/miscellaneous/young-players-and-trial-accounts

    Just in case noone has read it in awhile....

    They restrict these accounts from doing quite a bit, but after 40 total hours online they lose the young status regardless.

    Trial accounts are very restricted as you can see below...a few more restrictions regarding IDOCS seems like it would be a good idea to just code into a new account...maybe attach a code to the 14-day free trial download idk..BUT if they are able to do all of the things listed below after 40 hours then it wouldn't make much sense anyway.

    Trial Account Restrictions:

    • Players are not allowed to place a house while on a trial account
    • Players are not allowed to co-own or be traded a house while on a trial account
    • Trial accounts have travel restrictions –
      • Cannot visit Felucca dungeons or Felucca T2A
    • Trial Accounts have the following resource restrictions -
      • Will only receive basic ores and logs (iron, plain logs) even if they’d otherwise qualify for better types
      • Will not receive sand or stone when mining
    • Trial Account Misc. restrictions -
      • Will not receive ML rewards for resource gathering (jewels, ingredients, and white pearls while fishing)
      • Will not receive rewards, monster kill points, or virtue points from champ spawns
      • Will not get scrolls while doing champ spawns
      • Will not gain Justice virtue points for killing murderers
      • Cannot use Valor or Justice virtues
      • Cannot Protect or be Protected by another player
      • Can not join factions or faction aligned guilds
      • If in a guild they will be removed from the guild, if their guild joins a faction
      • Cannot use Scrolls of Alacrity, Power Scrolls, Stat Scrolls, or Scrolls of Transcendence
      • Cannot use Commodity Deeds
      • Cannot do Community Collections
      • Cannot use Soulstones or fragment soulstones
      • Cannot use Pet summoning balls
      • Cannot use Bracelets of Binding
      • Cannot use the Bag of Sending
      • Cannot do any repeatable quests – even if they are normally repeatable
      • Cannot acquire BOD’s
     
  19. Cyrah

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    Would there be problem with making every house that begins decay to go private? Only those on the house lists could go in?

    I have seen the young army of bots and heard the latest rumor as to why nothing is done. :( Something is very, very wrong.
     
  20. Larisa

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    Yeah I was at an IDOC a few days ago, first one in a very long time lol and there were 8 young players there all with the same name and numbers..like Larisa 1, Larisa 2, Larisa 3... can they BE any more obvious? (That's me channeling Chandler Bing from Friends) lol

    But yeah seriously I mean there were quite a few young players there but to have 8 with the same name? I even told a few people to let Bonnie or one of the devs know so that maybe they could come hidden to the IDOC and watch..I'm sure they do that at some IDOC's but...I don't know how easy it is to detect things like that but I agree for the people that do IDOC's on a regular basis it has to be frusterating.
     
  21. Hazel868789

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    Lets all be real. A trial account should be just that, exploring game to see if it spikes your interest.
    Most trial accounts are used inappropriately.

    To make UO gameplay attractive to the new player, limit what they can and cant do. Limited to New Haven area only.

    One way to do this, IMHO, is doable. Enlarge New Haven with "event type areas" where a "NEW" player can build skills.
    Let the guildmasters in New Haven have options for training levels, ie, swords 70-80, 90-95 (or whatever !!) where the new player experiences that type of opponent to build skills. If this doesnt entice a "NEW" player, then the player is NOT new.
    These areas could have safe starting area, with a healer, so the NEW player can get his/her senses back if defeated.

    Be honest with yourself, did you build a "doable" character without any "assistance" in 14 days? BS if you did.

    You "CANNOT" get rid of "young status" without paying, I say again without paying. You like it or you dont. Get another trial account if you want, but the rules still apply.

    Just my humble or not so humble opinions on it.
     
  22. Dixie chessy/legends

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    i dont understand the fuss over wanting a little more restriction on trails...they only thing they really cant do right now is place a house.......it is a trail....so let em try ish.
     
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    Trust me I would but without being able to call direct to Mesanna or something like shoot her an ICQ or Kyronix well..... that isn't going to happen is it? I paged a GM for all that good that does. Waste of time. Anymore I feel as though the instant they start showing up XXXX 1 (young) .... x 8 or 10.... I may as well just leave. Waste of my time and energy to try to compete. And I've seen the one they "answer" to. Just watch. They go one by one to the central person... who is obviously a paid account or he goes to them... and bingo..... transfer made. Like I said gods forbid you are trying to save things from a friends home when it goes..... because your not getting anything with the group of autobots there.