OK, so this post makes me feel all newbified and such but here goes. When it comes to training skills a have a few rule, Rule 1) Always train on monsters! no Gollems Rule 2) train in poopy gear to get the feel of being a newer character... rule 3) loot what i kill and use what I can. Its kind of just how I have always been.... the last time i trained a fighting skill was right after SA came out) (throwing) and it was on a char that was already buit but became a garg to try throwing. My old method was basically to use despise from 50 to 120... I would sart with lizard men and work down to ogrelords.... So having been out of the game for several months I came back and made a new character to have a whirl at pvp : I used a mythic token. (i also started with inscription which i gave my mage ) Started with (eaten a max stat scroll now) 100 100 25 90 (120)Ninja 90 (90)Poison 90 (100)Hiding 80 (100 with robe) Stealth 50 (120)fencing 50 (90)tactics 40 (120)bushido * insert stealth newb comments here* Ok so i have done my research (thanks to the guys who posted on my other thread) and I know that this is a pretty hard hitting "ambush" template... I have no illusions, if i don't kill em fast I am eather retreating or eating dirt.. fact. The thing is I used to be able to use my despise training ground and knew all my limitations and when to change ect.. I have read the FAQ and got a few tips on what to fight but I am finding it tough to find the things i need to kill.. I spent an hour in new heaven... NEW HEAVEN!! fighting skeletons and zombies to take me to 70 fencing and tactics, I also took bushido to 50! happy days... Right, from here I am kind of a little lost... I am thinking I will try harpies in ilsh but I will try keep to one at a time as I only have bushido and potions for healing... Has anyone else trained a melee skill in the last couple of weeks? if so could you let me know where / what you fought as the stuff in the FAQ seems a little dated (apologies if i missed updates) Thanks in advance.