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Treasures of Ricardo, Day 10 {Spoiler}

Discussion in 'UHall' started by RaDian FlGith, May 9, 2010.

  1. RaDian FlGith

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    Curse you, Mythic... wow... finding this one SUCKED most verily...

    Felucca only, again...

    Ocllo...
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    Day 10 Clue
    Day 10 Book Text

    As always, thanks to the gracious Martyna Z'muir for hosting the Nameles Rune Library, where you may go to on Great Lakes, just south of the Yew Moongate, to find a rune directly to today's spot.

    (Oh, and credit goes to Chancellor DaKaren for finding it in an area where me, Kor'Rok, cinnamon, and he had traversed several times each... again, curse you, Mythic!!!)
     
  2. Arch Magus

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    Let the Player Killing begin :grouphug:
     
  3. RaDian FlGith

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    I'd considered waiting to reveal this again today, but with posts like the one claiming it's in T2A, I suspect releasing the true information was a much better idea.

    And yes, since it's Saturday night, I imagine that it's going to be hell on Sosaria. Apparently it's already begun on Great Lakes.

    But it's a wider area with a better chance of exit and entrance. And unless I'm mistaken, Ocllo, being a non-Faction town, still has its guards firmly in place. Maybe someone else can correct this for me if I'm wrong... I wasn't going to test it myself. hehe
     
  4. Bazer

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    eh this is a easy fel one at least, got it no prob
     
  5. eekamouse

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    If people whine about this, I'm going to pretend to cancel my account in protest.

    It's RIGHT outside the guard line... Should make for some lolz...
     
  6. RaDian FlGith

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    Yeah, all in all, it could have been a worse spot... it was just... let's say... an exercise to find. ;)
     
  7. Prime.

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    If I remember correctly Ocllo didn't have a guardzone?
     
  8. eekamouse

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    Does now.
     
  9. Mr hawk

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    Does anyone know what the book means?
     
  10. Lay siege and genocide to the Ophidians, obviously.

    Or find Lord British's little trinkets, either or. :D
     
  11. Bazer

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    ive looked all over ophidian area and see nata
     
  12. Jandruz

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    TY for the spoiler!

    Nothing like playing at Midnight to avoid a gank-fest. I got my butt kicked up and down that island today.

    If anyone wants to take a crappy pvper under their wing and teach my how to do so successfully, I'd love some pointers. PM me!

    thanks!

    Oh yeah...Does the Teth/LB treasures info in the book mean anything? Or is it just the cop-out to end the quest without anything really happening/resolving?

    thanks!
     
  13. Phaen Grey

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    Regarding the book, it was written before the ophidian invasion, the relic he is referring too I believe is the Scion he stole from the ophidians.
     
  14. Miss Smoocher

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    i did all of my accounts just fine maybe the reds dont know yet
     
  15. Bazer

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    thats what i was thinking myself, only thing it could be really
     
  16. Picus of Napa

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    Well us four reds are doing our collective best to add some fun on Napa....go team red:)
     
  17. RaDian FlGith

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    Yes...

    It's clear indication that Ricardo abandoned his search to gain the artifact he sought here... and that all of these books were placed before he stole the object that he took from the Ophidians.

    So in essence, we're learning now what Ricardo was up to before the Ophidian theft that caused all of those problems with the Ophidians (ie: the generals, et cetera).

    (As a couple of others have also indicated... sorry for late reply... hehe)

    As for the end of the quest... no, this isn't, I suspect, the end of the quest. Just the end of Ricardo's immediate involvement. I suspect this information that we've gleaned will be taken up by the various goods and evils to do something with.
     
  18. Trevelyan

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    Do we get to use our snake skins and ophidian rations?
     
  19. Shelleybean

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    Thanks for the location. :) So I wonder if this is the end of the quest? It kinda sounds that way.
     
  20. Liquid_Ape

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    Yay Ocllo! First time anything of intrest has happened here since the Orc invasion about 9 or 10 years ago!
     
  21. Lord Chaos

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    I like Occlo, though my idea of revisiting it is not to participate in some PK gank fest.
     
  22. Schuyler Bain

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    Occlo was where my first guild was based out of and I have always loved it. I was so sad when it was used for Haven when the facets split. I have always wanted a home on Occlo even on the Flucca side, but you can only place really small plots there now.

    As to having to venture into PvP territory... I just did day 9 and 10 on 7 characters without a single RED sighting... I am "almost" disappointed, but thanks for the rush!
     
  23. Beastmaster

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    Yes, it seems there is not enough reward for the Reds to risk coming that close to the guard zone in Ocllo. It seems they got enough fish in the barrel yesterday. The pond today is too large for them. Bunch of cowards.
     
  24. Sevin0oo0

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    1 less bag of trash to toss,.i finally got a talisman & a cloak so i'm done, & i'm glad.Thanks for all the spoilers and information, made the quests sooo much simpler.
     
  25. smip

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    Ahhh. My old stomping grounds... my first house... one of the areas that I grew up.

    And OMG this is EXACTLY where my small wooden house used to be.

    But alas.. yet another island in Felucca.. (correction here) There is NO reason why anyone who wants to do todays quest shouldn't. It's dareing, but yet there is a "safe" area. THIS area was well thought out. Thank you.
     
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    Ohhh I remember that orc invasion. I stood outside my house and killed them one after the other. I had so many masks.. I still have some till today.. LOL Dunno why I'm keeping them. Memories I guess.
     
  27. GarthGrey

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    Yeah, finditem xyf G and then running around is brutal work..not that YOU did it that way but......rolleyes:
     
  28. Liquid_Ape

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    Actually, there is room to place at least 1 L-Shape 2 story, one villa, one log cabin and a handful of others in the 9x10 or 10x10 range. I know these are small by current standards, but......

    I have a house on Ocllo about half a screen to the north of where the book is on Chessy. I put a Crystal Portal on the front steps in case anyone needs a ride back to civilization. Its a public house, so anyone can run inside if they feel the need. There is also a tile on the first floor that goes to a house in Ter Mur. So, if you are attacked by a red, start spamming "Luna mint" and run north!

    Forgot to mention - on Chessy, the book is right up against a house, so you have to turn on your circle of trans. to see it.
     
  29. Dermott of LS

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    ...

    Ok, so we have a new spell/pass word and a dead end from the books... now what?
     
  30. Tina Small

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    Here's a copy in one spot of the contents of the warehouse book and the books at the ten locations revealed by Ricardo's Ancient Lamp:

     
  31. Lord Finesse of LS

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    Has anyone gone and killed ophidians yet?.... sounds like there might be something new with the ophidians again.... or else this cape.. cloak you recieved as one of the rewards might turn out to be britishes cape?... since it has no name n all yet....
     
  32. Otis Firefly

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    im pretty sure there is nothing new going on with the ophidians, obviously he's talking about the scion that he stole! that started the ophidian invasion and eventually was melted down by the guy in tokuno for something i cant remember...we ended up giving the ophidians a fake scion to end the war..if im recalling correctly...but then again ya never know lmao
     
  33. Tina Small

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    The ophidians' notes on the roads north of Papua and on the mainland east of Skara Brae are still there. They both say, "Give Over Us The Artificed Scion."

    I think someone else may have pointed this out somewhere else too that the ophidian invasion that affected Papua, Serpent's Hold, and Vesper occurred before the Magincia invasion. So it doesn't make sense how/why Ricardo made a note about Minax stealing the Crystal of Duplicity from somewhere in Magincia before it was destroyed when the ophidian invasion had not yet occurred.

    Maybe time is running backwards?!
     
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    or someone didnt do there homework before writing the event script lmfao
     
  35. RaDian FlGith

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    Err... finditem xyf G? You've got me on that one.

    As for what I/we/four of us did... we literally paced all over the stupid island. In fact, I was in the middle of walking north to south from west to east all along the terrain at about 5 to 7 pace intervals starting at the "river" that leads into the central "lake," when DaKaren told me, "GGGGRRRRR! I found it!" And it turned out to have been a place ALL of us had passed right by several bloody times.

    But, such is the art of hunting, I suppose. :)
     
  36. RaDian FlGith

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    Most likely, the author forgot his own time line for the plot events.

    At this point, this... :lol: ... this is my "shocked" face.
     
  37. RaDian FlGith

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    You know, as cool as that would be, I don't think I'm going to go searching all my capes to find out if instead of Megacliloc Error: String ID 1394203943092843, I instead have a Megacliloc Error: String ID 1394203943092844. I'd rather blow my brains out with a Nerf gun.
     
  38. Martyna Zmuir

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    There is a much simpler answer here.. Mark doesn't know a damn thing about UO lore, or how to research its history. Ricardo's books were placed BEFORE Magincia was destroyed.. Yet mention its destruction in the past tense? Good job Mark!

    And before someone spouts the asinine idea that Ricardo might have prophetic visions, I have a bridge in the Abyss to sell you.. or push you off of... :gee:
     
  39. Babble

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    Just add Prophet to Ricardo's titles.
     
  40. Basara

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    Book 7 reads more like it should be Book 10. Books 8-10 go off on a tangent that don't mention Magincia.

    Perhaps, after the destruction of Magincia, such as when he was temporarily free, he went around renumbering the original 7-9 to be 8-10, and put the newest book, where he finally knows the last word of the spell and where the Crystal got to, in the proper place to keep the 7 power words in sequence, without interruption.

    In fact, he doesn't even mention the name of the crystal except in #7, referring to it generically in other references.

    This is as good an explanation as any (and probably is an indication that book 7 was meant to be book 10, when originally written by the devs, but someone pointed out potential confusion from having the 7th words 4 books after the 6th).
     
  41. RaDian FlGith

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    Basara, let me start by saying someone probably appreciates you trying to justify their mistakes in the content of the game, but really, it's not necessary, and is an awful lot of work that, in the end, makes no sense.

    That said...

    Except, of course, that it doesn't read anything at all like it should be book 10. Book 7 talks more about the artifact that he's been talking about for the prior portion of the quest. Whomever implemented this plot line simply made a mistake and probably in an effort to establish the time line, instead, messed it up. The only reason Magincia is mentioned at this point (and not again later) is because that's where Minax stole the artifact from. Yes, you and I have OOC omniscience that the character doesn't... we know that (1) Magincia was destroyed [something he couldn't possibly know when he wrote the book], and that (2) there's an upcoming event that will rebuild it. So you and I see "Magincia" and go "oooh, something about the upcoming plotline! While it may factor in, it's basically irrelevant to the story being presented in these 10 tomes except for the fact that Magincia is where Minax stole the item from.

    Book 10, clearly, should be Book 10. It's the last book he writes on the subject, and also (1) establishes why there's only 10 books [he's not pursuing that research anymore], and (2) establishes where in chronological order these books fit [just prior to him stealing the Artificed Scion from the Ophidians].

    And perhaps monkeys might fly out of my hairy, blue, elven arse at any given moment. He'd already hidden them in extremely secret places with -- as far as he was concerned -- absolutely no chance of anyone else finding them. Why would he go around and suddenly renumber them to "keep the words of power in order" when it's clear by the text of the tomes that they are in the correct order as they stand? This idea that the 10th book should have been the 7th makes no sense. The indication then is that as of book 6, he only has six words, then he writes book 8 (7th in your chronology), then 9, then 10 (which says he's not going to do any more research), and then he gets out of jail, decides, "Hey, maybe I better do more research, I still need the 7th word of power for that thing I'm not going to research anymore!" and then runs around willy-nilly renumbering books and researching something that he's clearly concerned about? No.

    Remember, just because Magincia is next in our event list (or somewhere in the next six months) doesn't mean that the mention of Magincia here means "Ricardo must have learned everything there is to know about Magincia just before this plotline took place." Again, you're doing a great job of attempting to cover up what is a mistake by the author, but in the end, it's just an attempt.

    Okay, but going by that logic, book 4 becomes book 1 because he's marvelling over the magic locations being the perfect hiding place for his notes... excepting, of course that he's revealing the fourth word he's discovered... I suppose we could say he discovered the fourth word first, and realized it (though never tells us he realized they were out of order) and then we could over-analyze the rest of the books ad nauseum, but then the only thing we're going to have at the end of the day is a first class migraine that won't be cured with a couple of Advil.

    So he only mentions the name of the crystal once. He still mentions at the appropriate revelatory point in the exposition of the ten tomes. The only mistake in the tomes thus far is the whole "before Magincia was destroyed" thing, which frankly, is obvious author error. To try to play a shell-game with the order of the tomes only encourages us to do so with every other bit of fiction we're ever presented, and nothing should need to be over-analyzed to that degree.

    No, no it's not. By Ricardo's own admission, he was concerned about the crystal, and decided to do no further research. It makes zero sense that he all of a sudden thought, "You know, maybe it's not that bad after all... better go find that seventh power word now."
     
  42. Mapper

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    They only have 7 numbers, Not as bad as you think! :lol:
     
  43. RaDian FlGith

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    Oh come on now!!! I swear mine was like String ID 3.
    1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094330572703657595919530921861173819326117931051185480744623799627495673518857527248912279381830119491298336733624406566430860213949463952247371907021798609437027705392171762931767523846748184676694051320005681271452635608277857713427577896091736371787214684409012249534301465495853710507922796892589235420199561121290219608640344181598136297747713099605187072113499999983729780499510597317328160963185950244594553469083026425223082533446850352619311881710100031378387528865875332083814206171776691473035982534904287554687311595628638823537875937519577818577805321712268066130019278766111959092164201989

    But then... I might have been mistaken. ;)

    (What fun would it be to use the real numbers anyway? :lol:)
     
  44. Tina Small

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    Has anyone else noticed that the rewards a character pulls from either Dan or Crag's chest often seem to be tailored for the character's race? For example, I noticed my few gargoyle characters pulled out mostly "gargoyle only" weapons and armor and, just once, the wing armor version of the gray cloak. My elven characters pulled an abundance of "elf only" hide and leaf armor, magical shortbows and elven composite longbows.
     
  45. eekamouse

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    Yep. I have noticed this as well.
     
  46. soulstoner

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    We'd noticed only the Gargys got the Gargy wings between our 2 accounts. 2 Gargys out of 14 chars were the only ones to receive the wing armor.:thumbup1: which was kewl.

    PS Tina: Thanks for all of your fabulous work and information you gather and share on Stratics and most recent post #30 herein as well a countless other thoughts and leads. Happy Day.
     
  47. Basara

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    RaDian:

    It's obvious by reading them that books 8-10 are of a different writing style than book 7; perhaps added to extend the event from 7 to 10 days (and to put books someplace other than just Trammel). Book 7 is also likely to have meant to have been written last - and the whole Ophidian matter introduced by the person who wrote 8-10. Which IS an error by the Devs. What part are we disagreeing on, here, that you felt compelled to misrepresent what I stated?

    Instead of constantly complaining about the lemons, try making some lemonade.

    For simple logical reasons, I just don't see his lantern staying "hidden" in Britain THROUGH the Ophidian Invasion, until the present, but perhaps placed by him more recently. Heck, maybe RICARDO was the "Avery" set free originally, before Ricardo was pardoned, and it was because after "freeing Ricardo" after the pardon, revealed the truth, that Ricardo was pretending to be Avery, casing the castle looking once again for the vault, and THAT resulted in Ricardo's re-arrest.

    Even so, there's nothing to indicate, for storytelling purposes, from the text of the books that he didn't find word 7 long after book 10 was written; perhaps, while a prisoner of the SL minions. He then either replaced an older book 7 that said "I don't know word 7 yet, so I'm gonna start looking into that story of an Ophidian artifact", or maybe just an empty placeholder book, with one written from a post-Magincia point of view.

    Such things happen all the time, where people put in place-holders for incomplete data, then fill them in after the rest of the data set is complete, when they DO find out what they need. This happens for everything from reference works to RPG books, in real life. Examples range from revised versions of existing books coming out with substantially different chapter content (updated) & page numbers for existing content, while the other books in the reference series not being updated (or delayed in their update schedule), to something as odd as the "Rifts" paper & dice RPG's "World Book 12: Psyscape" coming out 2 years late due to publisher/author conflicts, after World Books 13-16, despite parts of those books referring back to it - with some of the higher-numbered books' "back" references to Book 12 content no longer making sense after an authorship change.

    You can't unscramble the egg, but you can always use it (in a cake, or fried, or the binder to bread a piece of meat for cooking), instead of throwing it away. Stop harping on the poor editing, and look for how it can work as-is. You're so full of negativity, it's no wonder those flying monkeys want out of your butt....
     
  48. RaDian FlGith

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    Not sure what you believe I felt compelled to misrepresent... I'm simply disagreeing with you. I haven't tried to misrepresent your stance on this, simply saying there's no need to try to make up for deficient in-game execution of a plotline. Book 7 is not written in any different style from the rest of them. Chonologically, it fits, except for an external author having made a mistake in the timeline. I'm not sure what you think you're seeing in Book 7 that the rest of us aren't, but there's nothing different, save a plot hole.

    How about instead of constantly giving us lemons, the plotlines are QCed to make sure that things like this don't happen? I'm not trying to be a jerk about it, simply saying that having a couple of sets of eyes sit down with this stuff and doing some homework on them would prevent these things from happening.

    And perhaps the Kilrathi came and settled down in the Terathan Keep, hid their spaceship deep underground, found a passage to Ilshenar, and are posing as the Meer until such time as Chris Roberts can come and straighten the whole thing out for us. All of this theorizing just makes more potential plot holes to be filled, which is why the fiction should be checked up front. If we're now going to follow on with silly things like, "Well, of course, it wasn't really Avery who got set free," and "Well, Ricardo posed as him," and then follow that with all kinds of circular logic, we'll be here all day.

    Maybe Ricardo's lantern didn't remain hidden throughout the Ophidian war, though, I suspect he'd have been very careful to keep it hidden. And even if it didn't remain hidden, then you open up the possibility that Ricardo didn't even write these books. I mean, okay, first, we don't know what's made Ricardo go loony -- though it did happen all of a sudden. Second, the only reason we even know about his lamp is because Avery told us about it because Ricardo told Avery while they were in prison together. Of course, this makes you wonder... the lamp was clearly hidden where it is before Ricardo and Avery were in prison together... you'd think that Ricardo would know he told Avery where it was, and if by your "theory" we say that Ricardo was the Avery originally set free, wouldn't Ricardo have moved his ultra-secret lantern to prevent someone from getting it from him? He didn't move it, thus we can be pretty certain he wasn't the "Avery" originally set free. But if it didn't remain hidden, and Ricardo hasn't moved it, then someone else could have used it, decided to pretend to be Ricardo in writing, made all these notes, and in the end, it'll turn out that Minax placed the clues to lead us all to words she know worked but couldn't use in Trammel herself... All kinds of theorizing, but it complicates the matters, and we'll end up spiraling out of control on this.

    Of course we then hit the MMOQuest issue of "Well Ricardo had one lamp, and now everyone has Ricardo's lamp." This is where in-game fiction breaks to allow plot to continue for each individual person. Nothing can really be done about that, except something better in the future like, Avery discovered Ricardo's lamp was still where it was, reported it to Queen Dawn, who, needing help locating these tomes, gave it to her mage to duplicate and hand out to trusted servants -- enter: you. It doesn't take a lot in a fantasy world to make the fiction expand to fit the events transpiring in the game.

    I will say this... at least this fiction is in-game, and not entirely web-based, as it was for some time in past years.

    Except, of course, people don't number books 1 through 10, write books 1-6, then 8-10, and come back later to write book 7. Nor is there any indication in the text that any of your hypotheses are correct. I mean, if you consider he misplaced book 7, then he'd have written "I remain concerned that someone might have run off wi' me original notes on the seventh word, but so that I might keep it safe, here it is again..." Or if he'd have "gotten back around to it," he'd most likely have written, "Note to self: fill in word seven." Then "*scratched note to self out*" followed by "Word seven be...," and then, since he was so good at detailing everything else save the plot hole, he'd have written, "Sitting in jail made me reconsider finding this last word, and so I now finish me research."

    You'll note, of course, that Book 10 is the book written with finality on the subject, ie: "However, I have decided not to pursue me research further."

    Speaking of citrus fruit, you're comparing apples to oranges. Yes, frequently people will leave holes to fill in later. But when they fill in those holes, they also fill in the additional details. Unless, of course, you're talking about the publishing industry... not sure why you bring that up here...

    When an author re-releases a book with new stuff in it, it's because his original version was not edited to his satisfaction. If he does so and he screws up subplots in the remainder of his books, he's either going to re-tell those books, or he's not a very good author.

    If a publishing company publishes book 12 out of order, that's got zip to do with anything other than publishing delays.

    If you're trying to convince me that Book 7 was held back because Sosarian Press and Publications was waiting to mass produce it, you'll have a hard time doing so. ;)

    If you feel I've been negative about this, that's your opinion, and you're welcome to it, but since I've been discussing this in a calm manner, and simply refuting your points, you might want to keep your beliefs on my "negativity" to yourself.

    In the end, I want Mythic to start QCing their fiction, and ensure a higher standard of quality. I'm not asking for the world here... and I don't think asking such is beyond reason. By discussing it with you here, it illuminates the issues with just waving a magic wand and trying to fill in the gaps for them. While you believe that taking the "Well this MUST be what happened" approach is the appropriate way to go, personally, I'm going to stick with my own in-game answer, which is to overlook the mistake.

    *sits back and drinks a nice cool glass of lemonade with just a hint of orange and eats an apple*

    In the end, remember this, Basara... simplistic solutions to issues will keep them from becoming more complex problems. Your solutions to this plothole all require complex supposition that no two people are going to agree on. QC would have saved us this problem altogether.
     
  49. Aurelius

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    So from one of Ricardo's notes,
    And then he went off to steal the Scion from the ophidians.... any significance to the Scion's Zenith being a crown?

    Given "at the split of Trammel and Felucca, it seems there were many objects that were accidentally duplicated", perhaps it's a copy of the real crown that the Ophidians gained?
     
  50. canary

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    Uhhm...

    You are a MOD, Barasa. Your posts with the 'UO Moderator' tag set the tone for how others should conduct themselves here on Stratics. Do you really think comments like the above 'promote community' in ANY WAY?

    The answer is 'no', Barasa, if you are curious. Sheesh. rolleyes: