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Troll or Harpie : what is the difference ?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by popps, Nov 12, 2009.

  1. popps

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    I noticed that within the Halloween 2009 Quest some players turn into Trolls and some in Harpies.

    What is the difference in practical terms ?

    How does one become an Harpie rather than a Troll ?
     
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    male/female?
     
  3. Lord Gabriel

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    I haven't seen any difference in speed or anything else for that matter, however on that note I have transformed into many other creatures as well.

    1. Troll
    2. Stone Harpy
    3. Terathon Matriarch
    4. Drake
    5. Balron (only twice in hundreds of trips)
     
  4. RedDaTeef

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    It depends what youve killed and drained with the grass to get the essance.
     
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    I have harpies!!!!
     
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    And how does that effect the Quest if it does ?
     
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    Popps, let me see if I can break it down for you...

    It does not affect anything at all. In no way does it affect any part of the quest. It does not affect your speed. It does not affect your rate of recovery. It does not affect how many sparkles you see. It does not affect your recall time. It does not affect your luck. It has absolutely no affect whatsoever on any aspect of the game in any way, shape, or form... positive or negative. It is not even worth thinking about for the most fleeting moment. There is no benefit to one form over any other form. There is no drawback to one form over any other form. All forms, each and every one, are created equal in every way. There is no advantage or disadvantage to any of the possible forms that you may be transformed into. No form takes up more of your CPU usage then another form does. You are not more or less likely to be banned while exploiting in any one form then in any other form. You do not get any bonus to crafting in any form, and you do not receive any penalty to crafting in any form. Regardless of weather you turn into a Troll, a Harpy, a Balron, a Matriarch, or any other random representation of a monster either fictional or real... you will gain no advantage or disadvantage in any aspect of the game mechanics, in any dungeon, on any facet, using any skill, or interacting with any NPC that would be different from any other random representation of a monster either fictional or real.
    This goes for every shard, at every time, in every time-zone, weather you are playing on a laptop or desktop, weather you are using ICQ, Vent, TeamSpeak or Excel in the background, no matter where in the world you are playing from. Nothing is different between one form and another if you are in a guild or out of a guild, in a faction or out of a faction, in stat loss or out of statloss, red or blue, male or female, Human, Elf, or Gargoyle, in a party or out of a party, wearing armor or naked, or weather you have used any hair dye.
    Weather you end up as a Troll or a Harpy or some other monster will have no affect on your 10 minute time spent in that form, it will not affect your log-out time should you decide to switch characters, it will not affect line in the que should you need to page a GM, it will not affect the amount of time it takes for a pet to bond to that character, it will not lower your vendor fees, and it will not increase your house storage.
    In order to keep this answer brief let me just say that there is no difference.


    Now, before you start asking more questions about what it effects... why dont you read through this one more time to make sure I have not already covered it...

    It does not affect anything at all. In no way does it affect any part of the quest. It does not affect your speed. It does not affect your rate of recovery. It does not affect how many sparkles you see. It does not affect your recall time. It does not affect your luck. It has absolutely no affect whatsoever on any aspect of the game in any way, shape, or form... positive or negative. It is not even worth thinking about for the most fleeting moment. There is no benefit to one form over any other form. There is no drawback to one form over any other form. All forms, each and every one, are created equal in every way. There is no advantage or disadvantage to any of the possible forms that you may be transformed into. No form takes up more of your CPU usage then another form does. You are not more or less likely to be banned while exploiting in any one form then in any other form. You do not get any bonus to crafting in any form, and you do not receive any penalty to crafting in any form. Regardless of weather you turn into a Troll, a Harpy, a Balron, a Matriarch, or any other random representation of a monster either fictional or real... you will gain no advantage or disadvantage in any aspect of the game mechanics, in any dungeon, on any facet, using any skill, or interacting with any NPC that would be different from any other random representation of a monster either fictional or real.
    This goes for every shard, at every time, in every time-zone, weather you are playing on a laptop or desktop, weather you are using ICQ, Vent, TeamSpeak or Excel in the background, no matter where in the world you are playing from. Nothing is different between one form and another if you are in a guild or out of a guild, in a faction or out of a faction, in stat loss or out of statloss, red or blue, male or female, Human, Elf, or Gargoyle, in a party or out of a party, wearing armor or naked, or weather you have used any hair dye.
    Weather you end up as a Troll or a Harpy or some other monster will have no affect on your 10 minute time spent in that form, it will not affect your log-out time should you decide to switch characters, it will not affect line in the que should you need to page a GM, it will not affect the amount of time it takes for a pet to bond to that character, it will not lower your vendor fees, and it will not increase your house storage.
    In order to keep this answer brief let me just say that there is no difference.


    All that being said, there is one thing that is affected. In the time it took for you to come here and post, then check back and read my answer you probably could have completed the quest one more time. This also gave me something to do while I wait for my client to patch. Glad I could be of help.
     
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    Am I allowed a question ?

    If it does not affect anything and yet, to turn into, say, a Balron one has to kill, I imagine, Balrons type MoBs, why would anyone want to take X more time to kill Balrons type MoBs than it takes, for example, to kill skeletons type MoBs in order to obtain Corporeal Residues to then make a Corporeal Essence for that type level MoB ?

    That is, why would one want to use up way more time to make a Corporeal Essence if there is no difference, whatsoever ?
     
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    It doesn't matter what monster type you turn into. I've never been anything but a troll and I can move as fast as everyone else.

    Glad your having fun with the quest. It takes a few days but once you have your own personal technique down and a good runebook setup it goes pretty quick.

    -OBSIDIAN-
     
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    Complete guess: maybe if you collect Corporeal Residues from higher-level creatures you have a higher chance of receiving a rare Halloween mask from Tomas O'Neerlan?

    If you're just after yellow/blue crystals, it's better to kill lots of smaller creatures quick.
    If you're after red crystals, it could be worth a try to collect the Residues from Balrons...
     
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    Is that guessing or there actually IS a difference then ?

    Are you saying that earning a red crystal being, for example, a Balron versus a Troll will then make THAT red crystal be awarded a rarer Mask from Tomas O'Neerlan ?

    If so, there does is a difference quest wise, isn't it ?

    Or is that just a guess ?
     
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    Hence the first two words of his post?
     
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    I see....

    Kinda odd that with the Event having run for weeks now, and just a few days before it ends it is still not known whether or not the monster one turns into has any effect whatsoever in the Quest.....

    Oh well...........
     
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    The difference is one flies the other one doesn't
     
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    I'm going to post about my own experience. I have never killed any monster higher than ghouls, wraiths, skeletons, zombies and lizards for my residue. I have been in the form of a troll every time I've done the 'red sparklie' run and it hasn't made one bit of difference in the costumes I've gotten. I've been one of the fortunate ones who got 3 dream wraiths, 3 shadow wyrms and numerous duplicates of the other 3. Others may have had different experiences but I personally have my doubts that your 'running form' makes any difference at all.
     
  18. Yen Sid

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    Balron moves fater than anything else. From what I have seen everything else moves at the same spedd so I just kill Lizardmen or Ettins in Despise and get troll form because I can get residue faster that way rather then fighting tough to kill things. I have managed to get 13 crystals twice (today) with troll form.
     
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    Wait !!!!

    I think it does make a difference. My experience is that the corporeal essence drops more frequently from the higher end mobs. At least it seems so. Thus, I hunt the higher end creatures with the possibly misguided and insane notion that it will take less time to amass the 4 corporeal essences from them than if I had been killing skeletons and such.
     
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    Actually, it is known. Plus

    It is known how to be any of those monsters every single time.

    But, anyway let me give you an answer that I didn't see given. I fly over traps with the harpies and drakes. It won't work on a poison trap or a fire trap.
     
  21. Lil' Lucien

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    From what i understand from a post by a dev.... Not sure which dev nor do I have a link but... Using the moon grass on higher end monsters enables you to morph into higher end monsters which enables you to have a better chance at the rare costumes which are shadow wyrms and dream wraiths. So maybe each red essence is somehow lvl coded and would be a good idea to keep track of what you collected as which monster..... :thumbsup:
     
  22. Yen Sid

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    I agree with the first half of what you are saying, but the second half not so much. It is known that using grass on higher end mobs will get you a higher end transformation, but as far as getting "better" crystals I don't think so. I got 2 Dream Wraiths in one day as a Troll. I believe it to all be the "famous" RNG. People have recieved a Shadow Wyrm on their first turn-in so I don't agree that the higher level monster you are, the higher level the crystal will be. They are all the same IMO.
     
  23. One is a fictional feathered creature of fantasy that is half woman, half bird.


    The other is what you see when you look in the mirror. :gee:
     
  24. Yen Sid

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    Lame...

    But...

    :lol:
     
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    Oh snap :D
     
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    Post of the m*****f***** day!!! :thumbup1:
     
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    I nominate this for post of the year. :ten:
     
  28. Fink

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    The gift that keeps on giving..
     
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    Except one of the devs specifically said on these forums that the harder to get forms make the Dream Wraith and Shadow Wyrm costumes appear more often. Owned.
     
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    I must report that I was mistaken...twas just a bad case of popps.
     
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    Im sorry. A quick sword swipe would end your Harpies, but the is no known cure for a case of popps.
     
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    feels like an unending game of whack-a-mole.
     
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    So, in the end, the no difference is instead a yes difference ???

    Does anyone have a link to such developer's post so that we know it is a fact, the difference in form I mean, and not mere guessing ?
     
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    The event is ending soon on the 15th. Just enjoy it while it lasts...
     
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    dont forget who you are talking to...

    just saying :)
     
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    That is not the point.

    If the Event was designed to have monster forms make a difference, whichever it was, I find it amazing that after weeks it has lasted and close to its ending we are still debating whether or not these forms may affect the quest....

    I would imagine that players participating to the Event were to be informed at the beginning of the Event, not at its end.

    Yet, we have a whole thread here where some players say it makes no difference, some say they "guess" it does, and some say it certainly does because it was mentioned by an official representative (where ?).

    Personally, I think that certainty perhaps would help players more to participate in the Event to their liking if there was less uncertainty about how the Quest was designed to work.
     
  37. Heartseeker

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    Hmm.

    Harpy- half female, half bird

    Troll- inserts a picture of Popps.

    My apologies, I didn't see Connor's post till after.lol
     
  38. Viper09

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    Who's "we" here about debating the difference? You're the first person I've noticed to bring this up.

    Yet I can't help but compare this to the eating food myth as to whether or not it makes a difference. Some people say yes eating food helps and others say it makes no difference.

    But again, enjoy it while it lasts. Or if you really care that much about it give it some tests and let us know. Some of the fun about fun new features if for us to find out for ourselves.

    If there is a difference, I can guess that the devs didn't mention it because they intended for us to find out ourselves. You know, the fun of finding out ourselves instead of getting it all spoiled at the start.
     
  39. Lord Gareth

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    Then send that into the feedback. Shesh. BTW whoever wrote that loooong post you get 5,000,000 gold stars.
     
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    Well, I would imagine that if a developer made a comment about it (but having hard time finding it...), this would be a little more than merely debating a myth like over the food example...

    I mean, if a Developer said something that the form influences the custom one gets I must conclude that it is the way it goes.

    What I have trouble with, is finding anything official and clear about this particular design feature. I think informations like this should be widely available so that players decide which way they want to participate in the Event while knowledged, and not having uncertainties about how the design is supposed to work which might cause them an unnecessary waste of their time.


    I need to disagree.

    You are right about the fact that "some" features need to be discovered by players for fun, that is something I agree with, entirely.

    But things like chances at a drop for a custom which involves statistics and, possibly, large numbers, are almost impossible to figure out by players on their own without knowing the entire big picture which only the developers and programmers know.

    Furthermore, this is a short spanned Event and tests like you are suggesting would require extensive testing over time and on a rather large sample to make sure whether or not the form makes a difference.

    Bottom line is, I believe that informations like this, involving statistics and drops in a short spanned Event should not be left to players to discover but informed by the Developers, if not flat out, at least with good hints and tips.

    Yet, I am trying to find something official about forms making a difference in getting rarer costumes but I am having a hard time.
     
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    Your bottom line bottom line had nothing to do with your first 3 lines of your first post. :lol:
     
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    Well, they are 2 separate questions...

    Question #1 : Does the Form one turns to make any difference in practical terms ?

    Question #2 : What form gets killing what (Harpies being a mere example) ?

    So, question #2 is a consequence to question #1.

    That is, "if" the different form makes a difference in practical terms within the Event, and different forms grant different differences, then what kills get what forms ?
     
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    I thought it didn't make a difference either...until someone mentioned a dev saying that it affects certain things. Found this post from Sak:

    http://vboards.stratics.com/showpost.php?p=1474277&postcount=18

    "The chance of receiving residue is scaled on the difficulty of the monster. So is the type of monster you will turn into. I still haven't seen anyone turn into a Balron. The tougher the monster, the better your chance of residue and the better your chance of getting a shadow wyrm or dream wraith costume."


    The thing is, with regards to getting the shadow wyrm/dream wraith custumes, I can't tell if Sak means :

    1) Sparklies collected in the higher monster forms gives better chances
    or

    2) Red crystals recieved when in the higher monster forms give better chances
    or

    3) Turning in the red crystals when in the higher monster forms give better chances

    Which means I'll do all 3 :D
     
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    There could be possibly a 4th option...

    That is, that filling the Soul Harvester in a higher form gives higher chances at getting a Red Crystal rather than a Blue one and, having more red crystals to turn in, one increases the chances at a rarer mask drop.......

    Though, reading carefully Sak's words "The tougher the monster, the better your chance of residue and the better your chance of getting a shadow wyrm or dream wraith costume.", I tend to understand it in the way that the higher the Monster form a player turns into, the faster will be residues drops AND that the Red Crystal generated while in that higher form, will be a better one that a Red Crystal generated in a lower form thus, raising the chances at a rarer drop mask.

    All speculations, nonetheless, I would have hoped and appreciated to see a better clarification from Sak or any other official representative on the issue.

    I mean, players use their time to play the Event (those participating, of course) and it would be nice that they used their time knowingly, and not in the dark about how the Event was designed.
     
  45. Sweeney

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    The Balron form gives relic frags every time you Salute.
    The Matriarch form gives Val hammers every time you eat bacon.
    The Harpy form gives you 10 gold each time you take your clothes off.
    The Troll form does nothing.

    :stir:
     
  46. Yen Sid

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    I would like to add that the Troll did get me 2 Dream Wraiths in the span of a couple of hours.
     
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    I'm too lazy to find the post for you, popps. Plus I don't like you much and probably wouldn't find it for you anyway. It is the truth, though.
     
  48. Mitzlplik_SP

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    OMG Another one of these. Some obscure BS no one has even cared to think about....except one.

    Thanks to the ROC I`ll put my can of STFU back into my bag of insults and instead resort to the ignore feature.

    This guy is somethin else.
     
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    You really takes these events that were intended for fun way too seriously. You should try to have fun in this game and just play it sometime.
     
  50. Lil' Lucien

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    I know what I read link or not