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Truth Behind Obama

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Tycolby, Sep 28, 2008.

  1. Tycolby

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  2. UltimaSword

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    Are you serious? First of all any video that constantly uses fixed..... oh sorry I mean Fox news as a source automatically fails. This whole post is a failure. Once they started denouncing him because of his name I know it was all bull crap. Please go sit down and keep quiet.
     
  3. Tycolby

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    What News sources would you concider reliable?
     
  4. EnigmaMaitreya

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    None, they are all owned by companies that demand they be a profit center and NOT offend advertisers. This slam dunk makes them aligned to sensationalism journalism.

    If the majority of the advertising money favors conservative thinking company's then the news will be pro conservatice and con liberal.

    If the majority of the advertising money favors Republican thinking company's then the news will be pro Republican and con Democrat.

    The news is now an Entertainment Service, NOT an objective news service.

    You want the Truth your going to need to dig it out on your own.

    The Internet News Feeds, AP especially, are totally geared to slant the news to be anti Republican.

    If Al Gore had won rather than Bush, it would have been Anti Democrat.

    OR in short it is anti something as long as that makes money.

    As an example, was it ABC that ran a Poll asking who won the debate and stacked it 3 Democrats to 1 Republican and when caught with the numbers tries to recover and say well it would have been a draw then.

    How I see things, Some one dug a pit 100 feet deep. They filled it to the top with Human Excrement. They have given the Republicans a 1 foot high stool to stand on, so one could say that the Republicans at this time are more honorable than the Democrats. Sounds good doesn't it, until you step back and realize that there is still 99 feet of crap above your head.
     
  5. UltimaSword

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    Again I agree with you but Fox news is ridiculous. It is more entertainment than anything. Neither candidate is as bad or as good as people on each side make them seem.
     
  6. Lord Urza

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    FOX NEWS!!!! Man that channel will get you dizzy from all the SPIN SPIN SPIN

    I :heart: CNN but not jack cafferty, or lou dobbs
    Those guys use to really say alot of things i agreed with, but lately they have been the two worst opinionated corespondants on that channle....allso wolf blitzer is highly questionable he puts a mean slant on alot of his questions...not all of them....just the ones that are gunna hit home the hardest (sneaky little cuss)
     
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    Yes do not listen to Fox news because it is not completly liberal biased. Truth is Obama is a socialist that belives in the forced redistribution of wealth. Lets punish all the rich people who have worked hard for years to pay the sorry people who want to lay around and collect wellfares way through life.
     
  8. UltimaSword

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    FOX has no credibility. It is an entertainment channel. Not a news station. Most stations have their biases but only FOX news would denounce a man because of his name and mock him for it. Also mock his wife.

    OH and you know nothing of the struggle with poor people in the ghetto and other places AT ALL. Your ignorant comment proves this. It'd be lovely if it was that simple as people LOVE to say it is. Maybe people should take rap more seriously and actually listen to the lyrics and stories told in these songs. People listen to Soulja Boy and think thats what all rap is. It is not.
     
  9. monnie101

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    Anyone who watches only mainstream news will be missing a lot of news and will ultimately have the opinions that reflect such. It's very sad that much people in America don't even know who the the candidates were and are currently.

    That Osama video was horrible. I'm a video producer myself and I have to say that as much as I myself dislike Obama, that was a bad job. The narrator says, "fact, Obama refuses to put his hand on his chest during the Pledge of Allegiance." It then proceeded to show that one video clip of him being the only one that held his hands down together. This is an old scandal which has been refuted many times. He has plenty of videos that show him with his hand in the correct position. Besides, it means nothing where he puts his hand. It doesn't mean he hates the country.

    With so many reasons for trashing Obama, I can't believe that the person who made it resorted to what they did. I'm sorry if I come off rash here. If you made the video, I mean no personal offense. The video does what many scandalous reporters do, which is take words and events out of contex and twist reasoning.

    I've never liked Obama but the thing that made him really bad, was that he made a pre-emptive threat against Isreal! And so I don't sound like I am twisting what he said, he said that if Isreal is harboring Terrorists and Isreal declines to give them up, we should invade them! They are allies for Goodness sake! (Not good allies but still allies.) I don't care how many times he says it's only IF they won't give them up. He still made a threat to war! That's just insane to even be thinking about that if you are a candidate.

    He and Hilary also had this competition going on to see who can associate with the most celebrities and make commercials with them using pop culture. I thought it was such a cheap tactic and when it backfires on him because a celebrity does something offensive, he acts like he never knew the guy (50 cent.) They turned running for president, into a MTV joke with thinking such as "well if I hang out with this cool celeb, the kids will vote for me." Both Obama and Hilary are a bunch of Hypicrits who like to hit below the belt on other candidates, point fingers, and change their serious views according to what betters their cadidacy. All the sudden, candidates were stepping up saying they oppose the war and will get the troops home where years ago they were all for it.

    Their is no good current candidate. I was for Ron Paul but much of the average US citizen doesn't even know who he has and mainstream media rarely reports on him when compared to the others. He also knows economics well and has revolutionary ideas. But the companies that own the TV channels are making too much money from Obama so and previously Hilary.

    In the end it doesn't matter who you vote for. Who will win, is who THEY want to win. The votes are all on computers and get hacked. Watch "Hacking Democracy."

    The real owners of America are bankers and stockholders. The forefathers of America were against so much of what's going on with America. Our economy is going downhill, our dollar is worth less and less, our public education system is so horrible that teachers use their own money to help with school supplies, and healthcare is all screwed up. Our freedoms get more and more restricted as more and more new laws go in.

    Do you know that we all break the law all the time? That's how many laws their are! So many, that we don't even realize it half the time.

    The politicians point fingers at anyone who questions American Government and automatically say that we are unpatrotic. I think we who want the better for the country are the real patriots while the money grubbin Gangas Khaun Bush people are the infestation we need to get rid of.
     
  10. Lord Urza

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    So you would rather they punish the middleclass who might have worked equally hard there entire lifes, and just never got any of the breaks that these wealthy people have?
    And yea Obamas tax cut play effects 90% of WORKING HOUSEHOLDS. NOT WELLFAIR HOUSEHOLD lol

    Get real no one ever feels bad for rich people
    I dont see how anyone could come to the conclusion that the poor are in any way to blame for wallstreet needing to be bailed out...poor people didnt bring this on the country.....the richest of the rich brought this on us. (mainly missleading irresponsable banking)
     
  11. Lord Urza

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    this thread is called "Truth behind Obama" anyone feel free to insert a little truth in here any time you please or change the thread name to "many slanted opinions about Obama"
     
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    For those that single out FOX as being .... bad, take note, CBS, MS/NBC, ABC, PBS and NPR all want this to be removed, ignored or in short MADE INVISIBLE.

     
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    You want a telling truth :)

    Well, I was going to link the direct words but you will need to rely on my memory of a line(s) from his book.

    "I loved to hear my self speak. I loved to hear my words come back to me as applause".

    :)

    I want to find links about the Kissinger and General .... well misstatements.

    I want to find links about the Nebraska Primary Claim to have "PASSED LEGISLATION" when the truth was he passed NO LEGISLATION and the bill he did submit, was in regards to mandating Nuclear Power Operators report incidents. He changed the words MANDATED to should and the Bill was killed.

    I want to find links about the Guns and Bible Thumping .... well statements of convenience.
     
  14. Lord Urza

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    Its easy to focus on peoples past, and pick statements they made in the past apart.
    Its easy to do it to Obama, its easy to do it to Mccain , Palin, and Biden, Its easy to do it to you, and its easy to do it to me.
    Its not what we said yesterday, but what we say today, and what we will say tomorrow that will have the real bearing on whatever it pertains to.

    Allow me to make a quote

    Current Pres. Bush " Is our children learning?" Nuff said
     
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    To equate the choice of a word, that may be far more indicative of a mind mouth edit than anything else, to a blatant lie .... oops misstatement of .... cant say the truth as that leads back to lie, so what do we say ... I know, the deliberate misrepresentation of factual information, is really quite interesting. It shows a lot.
     
  16. Notzaga

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    The truth is Obama votes so far to the left that there simply is no common ground between him and anyone who is conservative. He is, quite simply, the worst presidential candidate to be on a ballot since I started voting in 1988.
     
  17. Lord Urza

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    The whole quote thing was just kinda a joke.

    If he is ( and im not saying that i think he is, but if he is the worst pres candidate to be up for election since you started voting ) then he is very luck to be going up against such an awful ticket, a vice pres with allmost no if any little relivent experience, and what would be the oldest person to ever be elected as a first term president, whom just happens to have a history of health issue.
    Not a gamble im willing to take, that old fart keels over and strawberry shortcake is president naa thats allright ill stick with Obama/Biden

    I love that whole bridge to nowhere thing and how she didnt let them build it........its kinda funny how she went ahead with the building of the road to nowhere reguardless of the bridges not getting built
     
  18. Locker

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    Fox does not present news. Fox is a blatant propaganda arm of the republican party, period.

    It's not hard to go to their website every single day and verify that there is NEVER a single thing positive about anyone left of Ann Coulter. It's obvious, it's not up for debate since there is zero evidence to the contrary.

    Other major news networks are all along the scale but all of them are corporate ratings machines which aren't interested in anything other than money. Read all of them if you like, then read the net stuff, guardian.uk anything outside the US... hell watch Bill Moyers on PBS, he's actually trying to get to the bottom of things not just repeat talking points. Multiple perspectives is always better than a single point of view.

    Do you not understand that the politically powerful and the wealthy in this country WANT the left and the right to hate each other? Just like making poor whites hate poor blacks way back in the day.

    If we are hating each other and fighting each other then they can do WHATEVER THEY WANT and no one pays attention because we are too worried about gay marriage or the 15 shrimp that might die from an oil derrick.

    None of your rah rah our side your side blame gaming does a single thing to help anyone, it only makes it worse. Educate yourself, make a real effort to know what's going on and not to be a pawn for some "team" that doesn't even care about you.

    Peace,

    -L
     
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    Well the above is the best laugh I have had in days,

    Bill Moyers, Jim Leira (sp) are trying to be objective, get to the bottom of things? Right they are as bad if NOT WORSE than your portrayal of FOX. PBS and NPR are absolutely the voice of opposition to FOX as in 100% the same but oppositely charged. Bill and Jim would feel 100% comfortable submitting a poll asking if they intend to vote Democrat or Republican to a group MADE OF 100% EXTREMIST DEMOCRATS and then ALTER THE DATA to portray a 70% Democrat 30% Republican mix.

    Those two media outlets CAN NOT put a program together that is NOT BASHING THE REPUBLICANS and specifically BASHING President Bush.

    They are the WORSE of the group because they DELIBERATELY LIE AND PRETEND TO BE FOR THE PUBLIC. They serve EXCLUSIVELY, 100% the EXTREMIST I HATE BUSH and THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

    Fox may be a Republican Outlet but they DO NOT LIE AND SAY THEY REPRESENT THE PEOPLE.

    Neither of those media outlets get a single penny from me until they get their heads out of each others BUTTS and decide to STOP BEING AN I HATE BUSH and THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, PROPAGANDA MACHINE PROGRAMMING THEIR LITTLE BOTS.

    You really think they represent differing views? :) *Shakes Head*

    Ok take an extremist Republican, take a NEARLY extremist Republican, now have the NEARLY extremist Republican SAY HE IS A DEMOCRAT (YOU KNOW LIE) put them on the same broadcast and WOW WE HAVE BOTH THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS POINT OF VIEW.

    Why don't you make it even more clear that you are in the group that know ONLY ONE MEANS OF POLITICS, CREATE HATE, CREATE RUMORS, CREATE GOSSIP, TELL PEOPLE TO BE AGAINST SOME ONE FOR THEIR RACE, GENDER, RELIGION.

    Why don't you protect PBS/NPR while THEY CREATE AND SPREAD THESE RUMORS/GOSSIP

    PBS and NPR "A Librarian in Sarah Palins town quit BECAUSE SARAH PALIN BURNS BOOKS"

    TRUTH - "When a Librarian was ASKED if she would remove books if the community required them to be removed, the librarian said she WOULD QUIT"

    TRUTH - The librarian has NOW SEEN WHAT CBS, MS/NBC, ABC, CNN, PBS, NPR do to the FACTS and refuses to talk to the media. She has NEVER BEEN SO EMBARRASSED IN HER LIFE. Like the media gives a rats rear end ABOUT HER LIFE.

    PBS/NPR "Polar Bear says SARAH PALIN REMOVED THE POLAR BEARS FROM THE ENDANGERED SPECIES LIST, JUST SO SHE CAN HUNT THEM, KILL THEM, SKIN THEM AND WEAR THE FUR, LEAVING THE CARCASS TO ROT AS THE AMERICANS MOVING WEST DID WITH THE BUFFALO"

    TRUTH - The Advocates DISAGREE with her choice to remove them from the Endangered list, so that the LANDS for Drilling for OIL and GAS can be opened up for POSSIBLY Drilling Oil and Gas.

    TRUTH - The GROUP REFUSES to talk to CBS, MS/NBC, ABC, CNN, PBS, NPR for their DELIBERATE MISCHARACTERIZATION of THEIR ISSUE. As though those Media Outlets GIVE A RATS REAR END ABOUT THEIR CAUSE/ISSUE.

    Lets redo this just for YOU

     
  20. Locker

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    You obviously get your opinions of PBS from right wing hate mail rather than from actually watching PBS. You can fill your page with ranting and capital letters all you want but that doesn't make what you say any more than hate filled propaganda.

    Not more than a week ago on Bill Moyers I watched them rip Bill Clinton and blame him for the majority of the financial melt down due to his removal of regulations separating banks from other financial institutions. You won't see that kind of equal opportunity criticism on Fox, that's for sure. Lets not mention the fact that PBS is non-profit and Fox is for profit in a big way, who do we really think is "under the influence" I mean really.

    You like to say fact and truth but lump PBS and NPR together so you can bash PBS. You also added a line to your quote that doesn't appear at all in my post, what is the point of that?

    Oh and btw your mini-army quote turned out to be a republican lie, you are really behind the times on that one. The same can be said for your polling numbers which are now completely worthless as Obama leads again in all polls and is increasing his margin.
     
  21. EnigmaMaitreya

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    Yes YOU HAD BETTER NOT MENTION IT. You have been programmed to think that PBS/NPR The unofficial EXTREMIST LIBERAL DEMOCRAT MEDIA OUTLETS, HAVE NO OPERATING COST. YOU HAVE BEEN PROGRAMMED TO THINK THAT A NOT FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATION DOES NOT REQUIRE MONEY.

    Take a class, ALL NOT FOR PROFIT MEANS IS THEY SPEND ALL THEIR INCOME AND WILL NEVER REPORT A PROFIT. THE INTENT FOR THE ORGANIZATION IS TO RECEIVE ITS INCOME FROM DONATIONS, BUT IT IS NOT LIMITED TO DONATIONS. Get the point there? NO YOU WONT.

    CHECK THE POLITICAL AFFILIATION OF THE CORPORATE DONATIONS AND THE "FUND" DONATIONS. PBS/NPR ARE LOCK STOCK AND BARREL BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE EXTREMIST LIBERAL DEMOCRATS. They JUST LIE ABOUT IT and HIDE IT AS DONATIONS.


    And Blaming A PAST Democrat THAT HATES Obama and Obama Hates back does WHAT in terms of ADVOCATING for the Republicans? OH YOU SAY EXACTLY NOTHING. Ok, what does it do to denounce the DEMOCRATS? OH YOU SAY EXACTLY NOTHING. Well lets try one last time to SEE THE PROGRAMMED POINT, what does it do, RIDICULE AND DENOUNCE SOME ONE OBAMA HATES? YOU SAY WHY OF COURSE THAT IS THE TOTAL POINT.
     
  22. Atlantian

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    This is like a repeat of what happened before the depression. The repubs screwed up the economy and it took the dems 16 years to get the economy back on track.
     
  23. Locker

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    Are you on crack? Do you have a problem with the definition of non-profit? It means that the goal of the organization is NOT TO TURN A PROFIT. What could possibly lead you to believe that by saying non-profit I mean no operating costs or that they require no money? This doesn't make any sense at all.

    Additionally you don't even seem to understand the definition of a QUOTE. It's an exact copy of what was said, not your edited and enhanced version.

    Who in the heck wants a news organization to advocate for anyone? I want reporting, investigation and information. I didn't claim that PBS advocated for the republicans I claimed that they were an equal opportunity critic. It must be nice for you to just change what a person says and then argue against it like that has any bearing on reality.

    You definitely make a good republican though, just state misinformation over and over and when you are proven wrong you just ignore the proof and pretend it never happened. You fail to address any of my points, continuing artificially linking PBS and NPR.

    SOMEONE (caps just for you) should take a class but I'm thinking you aren't going to like what the class teaches you. Oh and FYI, the chain email you got from your church doesn't count as a class.

    I'm fairly certain you won't submit yourself to any information that challenges your bogus assumptions but try this site on for size:

    http://www.factcheck.org

    About FactCheck.org

    Our Mission

    We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit, "consumer advocate" for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. We monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews, and news releases. Our goal is to apply the best practices of both journalism and scholarship, and to increase public knowledge and understanding.

    The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state, and federal levels.

    The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.
     
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    Well, ok you are clearly on the Ropes and the buttons are very effective. Your in the incoherent phase of Bot Talk that is characterized by the following Bot Speak,

    "You on Crack"
    "You need your meds"
    "You ... just insert personal attacks of a nature that the poster can under no circumstance possibly know anything about"

    You need to understand your shouting at the top of your lungs at just how insecure you are of your knowledge (aka YOUR BLUFFING).

    You are thinking that to direct personal attacks at me, will some how improve YOUR BLUFF.

    Get a clue, all your doing is making it clear your cards have NO VALUE :)

    Poor thing, didn't like the Bubble being burst on his/her PBS/NPR. I can relate to that, to get exposed to the fact that your being programmed and you would have sworn you were NOT BEING PROGRAMMED. That your precious little PBS/NPR are BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY EXTREMIST LIBERAL DEMOCRATS, HIDDEN BY THE LIES AND DECEPTIONS OF DONATIONS.

    Poor thing, YOU were forced to face the ... what ever ... of believing that because an entity declares itself to be NOT FOR PROFIT that, that declaration DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING OTHER THAN IT WILL SPEND ALL OF ITS INCOME. That its income IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE EXCLUSIVELY DONATIONS.

    To be forced to understand that I can open a NOT FOR PROFIT CHARITY, whose charter is to help abandoned kittens in Timbuktu. THAT ALL THAT IS REQUIRED OF ME, IS TO SPEND AT LEAST 10% OF THE INCOME DOING EXACTLY THAT. THE OTHER 90% CAN BE PAID OUT AS ADMINISTRATIVE SALARIES, EXPENSES WHAT EVER I WANT TO DO WITH IT (PROSTITUTES, DRUGS, ALCOHOL, PORN). I DO NOT NEED TO ACCOUNT TO ANYONE HOW I SPEND THAT 90%.

    It is a free and anonymous Internet, feel free to come at me like the Junk Yard Dog. BUT DO NOT BLAME ME WHEN YOU FIND OUT JUST HOW TOOTHLESS YOU ARE.

    You clearly believe what you read (DO NOT even pretend otherwise after that .... rolleyes: ... BS Link).

    Against my better judgement, I am going to help you deprogram yourself.

    "It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation" (NOTE: your posted words NOT MINE)

    What do you know about foundations? ANYTHING AT ALL? Foundations and Funds are identical.

    They have one or more people administering the MONEY (BIG CLUE HERE) of the Fund to achieve the Goals (WHICH THEY CAN REWRITE AS OFTEN AS THEY WANT TO, (ANOTHER BIG CLUE HERE) AND THAT GOAL IS NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED TO EXIST (ANOTHER BIG CLUE HERE) AND THE PUBLICLY STATED GOAL IS 100% RAH RAH, SALES LITERATURE, PABLUM FOR THE BOTS TO EAT (ANOTHER BIG CLUE HERE)) of the Fund.

    IN YOUR STATED CASE, APPOINTMENTS ARE MADE (BIG CLUE HERE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE FUND, IN THE CASE OF A PROFESSOR, IT CAN BE TO FUND A CHAIR POSITION FOR THEM AND/OR TO FUND ANY NUMBER OF PET PROJECTS FOR THEM) to fulfill the GOALS OF THE FUND (BIG CLUE HERE THAT DOES NOT NEED TO BE PUBLICLY STATED AND CAN BE IN CONTRADICTION TO WHAT IS PUBLICLY STATED). These APPOINTMENTS ARE SELECTED (BIG CLUE HERE AS IN LETS HIRE 100% EXTREMIST LIBERAL DEMOCRATS) by the people administering the fund (BIG CLUE HERE THEY APPOINT PEOPLE THAT THINK WHAT THEY WANT THEM TO THINK).

    YOU seem to think there is some Legislation/Law that is going to mandate honesty, openness, fairness, Truth, Justice and the American WAY. BIG CLUE HERE, THERE IS NO SUCH LEGISLATION / LAW.

    ANOTHER BIG CLUE FOR YOU

    All of the big companies run "Scientific Studies" the same way as I outlined above.

    Phiser is the BIGGEST user of the above tactic.

    Right there with them are the Cigarette / Alcohol companies. ANOTHER BIG CLUE HERE, that applies to PRO their own products and ANTI their competitors products. IN SHORT THEY BUY THE ANSWER THEY WANT TO PUBLISH. THEY BUY THE PEOPLE TO STAND THERE AND SUPPORT THAT BOUGHT ANSWER THEY PUBLISHED.
     
  25. Locker

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    Yea after your first little paragraph accusing me of doing exactly what you've been doing for every single one of your posts I'm going to have to decline to read any more capspam from you.

    Enjoy beating your face into the wall.
     
  26. Atlantian

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    I am a true American and I was in the service for this country and I will vote for who I want and I don't need someone telling me what is patriotic and what isn't. You want to vote for a repub then go ahead. You want to vote for a dem then go ahead.
     
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    Wooaa nice one!! And if we get rid of socialism we might as well NOT socialize the losses our "rich hard working" bankers did on us! Let us stop rewarding them rich folks with exorbitant tax breaks so they wont play monopoly on Wall Street!
    Let them buggers experience what it is to work on minimum wages! Well that wont happen as most of them came from rich families as it is so they dont know what real hard work is.
    But no sweat the same damn thing is happening here in Germany..Our damn goverment wont give us "working" folks any slack when it comes to taxes.(The Germans are one of the most highest taxed people in the world) The wont give us any relief off the taxes we have to pay for gasoline (In Germany we pay around 70% taxes on gasoline) Which means our gasoline prices here in Germany go around 8$ a gallon!
    But our goverment here is bailing out the banks that went bankrupt after the financial crisis..
     
  28. Lord Urza

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    Keep ur eyes peeled tonight.
    This is either going to be really good or really funny.
     
  29. Dutchhans

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    Is anyone going to watch the debate tonight?
     
  30. EnigmaMaitreya

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    Yes.

    It is expected to have Higher T.V. Ratings than the Presidential Debate.

    Says a lot about Obama.
     
  31. UltimaSword

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    And Mccain.
     
  32. Dutchhans

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    But will those higher ratings come from the expected bungling or because people are really interested in what the two candidates have to say?
     
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    To hear some here, it will be to watch Sarah Plain, the brainless flop make an even bigger fool of herself :)

    And yes McCain as well as Obama :)

    It is hard to characterize with knowledge which it is, I want it to be "To become better informed" but I am all to aware that what I want is not a requirement for what is Real.

    The most probable is that a group will look to see reason for hope, to be inspired, to have reason to believe that tomorrow may in fact be a better day. That for all the trashing and character assassination, for all the assurances that individuals are MORONS, that some how, just some how, we will get lucky and get a Government we can live with rather than the Government we deserve.

    I suspect a group are very afraid that Obama will fail them, will make things worse. Yet in their hearts they want very much for him to succeed.

    I suspect a group are very afraid that Palin will fail them, will make things worse. Yet in their hearts they want very much for her to succeed.

    I suspect many .... people are very afraid that things will no longer be same as they have been. They should in fact be VERY VERY VERY afraid and about time.
     
  34. Lord Urza

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    LMFAO No doubt, it had to be obama's fault Mccain wasnt there.......oh wait Mccain was there he tried to weasle his way out of it, but didnt quite manage
     
  35. Lord Urza

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    I suspect many .... people are very afraid that things will no longer be same as they have been. They should in fact be VERY VERY VERY afraid and about time.[/QUOTE]


    I dont think people are afraid that things will no longer be the same as they have been.
    I think people are hoping things wont end up being the same as they have been.
    People are ready for change, and there hoping it will be good change.
    I think thats what obama set out hoping to achive with his campain and I belive he is still dedicated to that overall.
    MCcain seen that people want change, so he adopted/stole the idea of running on change from Obama...but people seen right threw that.
    People are finally starting to see threw alot of the political possitioning and its showing in the poles Hopefully we will have a good debate about the subject tonight and palin will help the democrates along to the white house.
     
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    Change is inevitable, you choose to not see that as you only see one form of change as having any value.

    McCain was for change before Obama had any political experience. I do not expect you to understand that, let alone accept it. You have made it perfectly clear there is only one choice any thing else is the MORONS got their way. If McCain wins, you will be in the group that says HE is not MY PRESIDENT. You will have no qualms or concerns that the enemy's of the Western World will take your position and KILL thousands if not hundreds of thousands in an attempt to have America Biting itself to death. You will not care if America becomes a 10th rate country as long as it is the Republicans and McCain in charge. The more that do as you do the more dysfunctional the American Family becomes.

    The end results will be a Constitutional Referendum leading to the dissolution of the United States of America (as mandated by a Constitutional Referendum) and a new realignment of the States (and probably Canadian Provinces) into new Geopolitical Entities. And that is the Bright version, there is of course a much Darker version were Corporate America is the Government.

    There are non so blind as those that refuse to see.
     
  37. Az of DSR

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    lol, well highly intellectual conversations about something thats nomore then a turd sandwich and a ****** popularity contest.

    The turd sandwich is mccain and the ****** is Obama....

    I prefer ****** myself, but keep plugging away at the big words and trying to convince someone out there in the world that you are right and they are wrong. The reality is persception is reality, and trying to change someone elses to better suit yours is way lame. But thats why your on the internet and not having this conversation with your neighbor. Your weak and lame.

    ( =

    Peace

    OMG< DOOOOSSCHHHEE got edited, weak
     
  38. Az of DSR

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    lmao tycolby, that video is hilarious.

    Thats his fault for going to church, man all christians and muslims are crazy... they believe in invisible people who talk to them. lol. So anyone who takes it too serious will go crazy, his pastor and radial muslims alike. its hilarious.

    I like this black theology movement killing gods, but only if they kill themselves after they get whitey and all that crap, lmao this video is awesome

    Israel is just as ****ed up as the people of palistine. I think its ****ed up that cause I was born in kansas I have to support those terrorist. They just as bad as there neighbors.

    And if you have been proud of America for the last 7 years then you are a creature the likes of which im glad I never see. ( =

    Thanks Lorne Baxter, that video was amazing, and thanks for inventing the internet so ******* like me can put our views out on video game chat rooms. lmao
     
  39. EnigmaMaitreya

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    :)

    In anticipation of the excuses and the sounds of head sized holes being dug in the sand. Never even knowing the sand they dig out and piling on the ground is burying the goal they so desp .... want so badly.

    :)
     
  40. Lord Urza

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    McCain was for change before Obama had any political experience. I do not expect you to understand that, let alone accept it. You have made it perfectly clear there is only one choice any thing else is the MORONS got their way. If McCain wins, you will be in the group that says HE is not MY PRESIDENT. You will have no qualms or concerns that the enemy's of the Western World will take your position and KILL thousands if not hundreds of thousands in an attempt to have America Biting itself to death. You will not care if America becomes a 10th rate country as long as it is the Republicans and McCain in charge. The more that do as you do the more dysfunctional the American Family becomes.

    The end results will be a Constitutional Referendum leading to the dissolution of the United States of America (as mandated by a Constitutional Referendum) and a new realignment of the States (and probably Canadian Provinces) into new Geopolitical Entities. And that is the Bright version, there is of course a much Darker version were Corporate America is the Government.

    There are non so blind as those that refuse to see.[/QUOTE]



    Wow your presumtious, but right off the bat you got one things right
    "Mccain was change" now Mccains drinking the kool-aid thats obvious to anyone who has been paying attention to the national political scene for a number of years.
    Mccain is throwing what he has allways stood for out the window and now he is going head long with what the republican party wants him to do and support.

    What your getting at about the whole not accepting him as president and people getting killed and *%&# iono sounds like more presumtion to me.

    And your absolutly right its called "The North American Union" and that was bushes little project no body ever heard about because it was given NO media coverage....Lou Dobbs didnt mention it ONCE. its basicly the same as the "African Union" The "Asian Union" There is a "European Union" and yes the North American Union is primed to fuse Mexican, Canada, and the United States into one boarderless unit.
    But it doesnt stop there the ultimate plan is the fuse these unions together eventually the end goal result being One World Government.
     
  41. EnigmaMaitreya

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    Hum, you might want to look up "Constitutional Referendum the legal process for dissolving the United States of America".

    The first step is to DISSOLVE as in throw out the EXISTING CONSTITUTION. This REMOVES the commitment of states to participate in a FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Or in short each state can, if they choose become an INDEPENDENT COUNTRY.

    You know like Texas and California were.

    BUT FAR MORE INTERESTING is you coming to the understanding of WHY this would happen. Why the states reforming a United States of America again, is well ZERO and being part of some UNION? That is actually pretty funny. When you understand WHY it would happen you will understand WHY A UNION IS FUNNY.

    As for your belief that when a nation is at political war with itself and conducting a "Gorilla/URBAN" war abroad, well what can I say, you really do need to get a grip on how modern day Gorilla/Urban warfare is conducted in a WORLD WIDE COMMUNICATING environment.

    Who said this, "The good that is done by violence is short term, the evil that is done by violence is for ever"

    Now apply that as a generalization, to What was done by the Western World (U.S. specifically) in Afghanistan, to defeat the Soviet Unions Army (the first and only (as it no longer exists) defeat).

    You get rid of the Soviet Occupation by Violence, the Good Thing.

    You leave the Afghans to rebuild their country, the Bad Thing.

    Fast forward to 9/11 the payment made for the mistake of abandoning the Afghans. That allowed a Brutal, Repressive Fundamentalist group to seize power. That at is very core understands that IT IS FAR EASIER TO MAINTAIN THEIR POWER IF THE REST OF THE WORLD DOESN'T EXIST, if NOT literaly, then at least from a communicating "World Wide Communicating" perspective.

    Now apply that lesson to the current Afghanistan and Iraq situations.

    The Good thing, getting rid of a Brutal and Repressive Government.

    REPEAT The BAD THING, abandon them to taken over YET AGAIN with a Repressive Brutal Government that KNOWS it can survive in a World that doesn't EXIST or at the very least HAS NO CAPACITY TO COMMUNICATE on a World Wide Level. To ASSUME that a people can emerge "IMMEDIATELY" (go look up the Marshall Plan) from the chaos of the conflict, the decades of Brutal Repression with the "PERFECT GOVERNMENT", LOL, let alone the infrastructure to optimize that "PERFECT GOVERNMENT".

    Go ahead repeat the error and condemn your children to repeat the conflict.


    Or I suppose you can be Like Obama and be totally clueless about what is Strategy and what is Tactical.
     
  42. Lord Urza

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    You should learn that you make a better point when you stay on topic, and I see no connection between the situation you explained and Obama....maybe you made one somewhere in your rant, but personally i failed to find it.
     
  43. EnigmaMaitreya

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    Well that really is no surprise is it :) As I said there are none so blind as those that choose not to see.

    It was Gandhi.

    It was explaining were your form of denial is leading you and the country, IF it ever became the prevalent perspective.

    It was explaining why the Generals said Obama is Dangerous to which HE LIED in the Presidential Debate, saying they had NOT said that.

    You can choose to say it is not on topic and is a rant, but fortunately for reality what you or I, say is simply not relevant to what is real.

    It is all about the "Truth behind Obama", it is not my problem that you choose to be in denial (the dig a hole and stick your head in it) about Obama, that you choose to believe he is the second coming of Christ.

    Do you KNOW what ACORN is?

    Did you KNOW that Obama worked for them as a Lawyer?

    Did you KNOW that Obama's only participation was to FORCE banks to make loans to under qualified people?

    Did you KNOW that Obama then would eventually go to the Senate and ADVOCATE FOR removing the Governmental Oversight of the Financial Institutions that ARE NOW BEING BAILED OUT?

    Why are they being bailed out?

    Oh you certainly know it is because .... drum roll .... they over extended loans to people, took the profit of the almost 100% interest part of the payments as their profits and now want to have the bad loans bought off them.

    Obama has advocated for Over Extending peoples credit from before he was a Senator.
     
  44. Lord Urza

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    Much better job!! see you made points there...And they are your opinion, or what you choose to pass off as your opinion...i dont know.
    I wouldnt be willing to be the one to try to dispute that pile of accusations....im sure someone else will take a crack at it.

    But i will inform you that i do not see obama as "the second coming of crist" Get real, I was a Clinton supporter ( cant wait to hear your rant on that)
    I simply belive in my party and the RESULTS they show when there in the whitehouse.
     
  45. EnigmaMaitreya

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    Spare me your daycare psycho babble. :)

    Spend it on your peers, perhaps you can impress them.

    You conveniently understand and not understand as it suits you. :)

    And certainly I understand your bailing out on trying to defend the leader of your party that has made your party the party of lies and deceit. Well not really he is just raising it to new heights.

    And you most certainly do, unless you have been converted, see Obama as the second coming of Christ.

    You have been given much to consider, your reply says you find the hole in the ground a much more comfortable reality.

    What there are 33 days to the election? I could give you 2 truths per day with each being more damning than the previous.

    But your thinking inside the hole you have dug and nothing else can get there.

    So you can keep your Daycare Psycho babble to your peers, it really is only appropriate with them :)

    Let me know when you have finally figured out the things you claim were way beyond your current abilities. But it will ROCK your faith in the hole you have dug. :) Those are just the beginning.

    Now we wouldn't want to tax your inability to keep up with the ..... conversation, so to make it easy for you I will quote it here.