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Turning the virtues into a grind = NOT UO

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Widow Maker, Oct 6, 2011.

  1. Widow Maker

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    The title pretty much says it all. If I wanted to grind..I would play some other game.
     
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    Have to agree with you on this one. I used to know people that took pride in having chars that were knight in almost all of the available virtues (since they didn't pvp they didn't have Justice), but now what's the point. I think someone needs to rethink how the decay rate works for each virtue, because this one method for all really sucks. I can see loosing a bubble when you use Honor plus gradually loosing some over time, but loosing Compasion and Justice every time you rez something or receive scrolls is a bit much. I wonder if you loose Honesty everytime you purchase something from a NPC.
     
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    I'd love to have knight in a few virtues for the rp concept of it for my characters, but I don't have the time to deal with the passive decay.
     
  4. I already got all the virtues
    maxxed
    It ALWAYS has been a grind
    to KEEP ones virtues UP
    Shiny and Pure
    They Ain't laurels
    Once rewarded
    that you can rest your lazy ....
    . :lol:
     
  5. Widow Maker

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    Fayled.....

    Never mind. If one has to explain the answer, chances are extremely high that the recipient does not have the capacity to understand the question or the answer correctly.

    Everyone knows what the old decay was like and the fact that everything had to be maintained weekly..which was more than enough of a grind than the usual UO Player will put up with.

    The topic was to be that the recent changes to the virtue system are turning it into a pure grind and it was commented that grinding has never been the way of UO ...or at least they have stated so on multiple occasions.

    What has been done, with the recent changes, is turn it into something that will only result in it's non-use, like about 50%+ of this entire game. That is counter-productive and thus a step in the wrong direction.

    Now..aside from Fayled's usual side trip out to far...very far...far and deep...way the frick back in ...left field...we might... perchance?..continue with the discussion.
     
  6. 5% Luck

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    IDK I kind of think the virtues should be more like the lord/lady titles were at the beginning. A sign of a veteran player. Maybe instead of them decaying make their point pools very large and only accomplish-able over a span of time. When you open a players virtue window and you see it filled with bright colors it should signify veteran status, player skill and, accomplishment.

    A character isn't finished until your knight in all the virtues!
     
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    With that type of thinking one would never get to Knight since (as far as I know) Humility hasn't ever been established & Honesty just barely started. The old way was the best, there was upkeep to it but not a grind as it will become here.
     
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    Thou hath lost an Eighth!
    U4
     
  9. Trebr Drab

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    So, they had a point system in the Cardinal Ultima games?
     
  10. Madrid

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    Virtues should not decay at all. Maybe.....maybe...1 pip decay a month.

    The system was BAD before and not it's even Worse.

    Gone from bad to worse!:wall:

    Horrible on the part of the Dev Team or whatever genius came up with the idea that virtue should decay!:(
     
  11. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    Is FD really defending the devs actions ? ...

    uh ?
     
  12. Wait ... WHAT?

    Did you just say that UO used to be a grind to maintain skills ...
    in a thread that is titled
    Turning the virtues into a grind = NOT UO

    Wait ... WHAT?
    so since one does NOT need to grind to maintain skills
    that MAINTAINING a virtue >would be a grind< so
    go old school and don;'t do nothing with them? (the virtues)

    me thinks tis thee foolishly fooled ...
    that >you are not< requesting in a backwards manner
    TO rest on your virtues/laurels
    Merely by >once< having earned them ...

    you are indeed entitled to your opinions:gee:

    I maintain that NOT maintaining a virtuous behavior(title)
    through a regularly applied set of actions and behaviors
    Should result in the decay of said honorable position/title


    Fine ... murder counts should never decay either ...
    once a murderer ALWAYS a murderer ...
    no deletion, no reroll
    character slot is perma red.

    :danceb:

    ADDED as edit

    **Relentless (^proper) effort in the pursuit of excellence is its own reward**

    It'sa internal zen thing ...
    ya quit tending to it and it essentially ceases to exist ... to matter ...
    certainly to YOU at the minimum ... ( outta sight outta mind ... peek a boo )
    you don't care
    why
    should ANYONE bother ...
    specially If their bother, bothers you ... :lol:

    :talktothehand: you are not the definer of "virtue" ... society/logic/history/actions

    defines you ...

    even in fantasy UO land ...
    Once ya earn some respect ... gotta keep it coming ... well, old school at least ...
    don't take anything to fel you ain't willing to lose; don't trust anyone
    Anything on your kills corpse is yours to grab, no one really trusts you either ...
    that was then, this is now ...
    pretend yesterday never happened

    Its kinda like lifes little way of asking ya

    what have you done lately ... :danceb:


    The game MUST have grind ...
    did it once now do it again ... do it with someone else, change places, change order, change change change
    and do "it" over and over again ...
    No! do it just once ... DOH!
    did it once, done ... end game ... game over.
    No Grind ~=~ No Drain ~=~ No Decay ..... hmmmm . . . One time gratification? :lol:

    :scholar: AhA! One Hit Wonder ... tada! :danceb:
     
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    I agree with the OP. Not a fan at all of how they decay now. If you want to do a daily decay or whatever, fine. But don't do that AND have them decay when you use them. One or the other. Preferably weekly.
     
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    Fayled's incomprehensible gibberish notwithstanding, there is a valid point locked away in there: Everything in UO has always been a grind. We invented grinding.

    Maybe you meant that making the Virtues a grind isn't Ultima.

    Or maybe you just meant that the current system of Virtue decay is stupid and annoying.
     
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    does it really matter. For what ever reason the Dev's wanted it that way so it will be that way. It doesn't matter what the payers want. :gee:
     
  16. MalagAste

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    The only thing the new "virtue" has shown me in the game is that there is a TON of crap left all over the lands.

    I seriously wish I could get rid of it... I have seen countless numbers of "Stew, watertroughs, paintings, statues, sledge hammers and parrots" all over the land.... I've taken it upon myself to axe any and all water barrels I run across just to help clear up the servers... but I can't do anything about a majority of this crap and I wish someone would.

    There is a ton of housing area's completely ruined by junk littering the ground. Junk that can not be picked up or removed without the aide of a GM and we all know how ineffective it is to page on of those.

    Getting a GM to actually pick any of the crap up is totally frustrating... I recall last time it took no less than 2 weeks of paging and paging and rephrasing my request before a GM FINALLY came and removed a statue.

    It's pathetic.
     
  17. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    Thats better... I tought you might have had a short in your brain... I was worried.

    You keep saying worrying things :(
     
  18. I'm sorry ... just curious ...
    but
    which virtue are YOU working on now?

    this nag nag nag nag nag nag groan complain and point and ...

    I ask, but only for enlightenment ...
    I sense a... "disturbance", honestly, I do ...
    and I must sacrifice some feeling of valor by humbly asking this possibly humiliating question
    (which virtue are YOU working on now, I honestly do not know ... )

    Show some compassion and honor my question ...
    by answering it in the spirit it was asked
    Demonstrate some degree of justice ...

    Remember:
    :scholar: Even lowly trash pickers are allowed the benefits of virtue !!! :danceb:
     
  19. MalagAste

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    You need to quit being a Troll and grow some brain cells. Obviously if I'm traveling all over the lands looking at crap on the ground I'm working Honesty. You know, looking for lost items.

    Why don't you pull your head out of your ___________ and quit trolling folk.

    Here's a suggestion... Why don't you do something positive for a change rather than try to be a smart A$$. How about helping others? Or heres a thought contributing to the community rather than putting it down. Fancy trolling is still trolling.
     
  20. Mirt

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    I think that the only virtue changes that have become an untenable grind now are justice (somewhat) and compassion which they need to totally revaluate in terms of this new system. It actually penalizes for showing compassion and one to many rezs and your going to spend weeks getting compassion back up.
     
  21. :talktothehand: nonono

    this nag nag nag nag nag nag groan complain and point and ...
    THIS:
    :thumbsup: THAT ... what virtue are you working with THAT ... ???

    Please stop
    It IS NOT VIRTUOUS ... nope, nuhuh, 'tisn't 'tain't 'Twill NEVER be VIRTUOUS
    this nag nag nag nag nag nag groan complain and point and ...
    :talktothehand:nonono

    It Might be: trolling

    FAQ
    D. Trolling is prohibited.Trolling is whenever someone is clearly, deliberately posting in a manner for the purpose of angering and/or insulting the other participants of the board. Trolling DOES NOT encourage further discussion in the long run, it only encourages personal attacks (if left unchecked).

    This is not:
    This probably IS:
     
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    Ultima 4
    Upon gaining exp you could med at shrines upon knowing the appropriate mantra.
    at certain levels of exp you could choose dex int or str. Once you've completed all 8 you were the Avatar. Once becoming the Avatar if you strayed from Virtue depending upon your choice of action you would see the msg Thou has lost an Eighth!
    If you did something particularly nasty you could loose many eighths and have to recycle your way back to Avatarhood. A worthy task. This from memory of many years back. If memory serves only a full avatar could don magic armour needed to gain the endgame exp.
    Many years ago..........
    U4 was considered by many an epic genre changing release. Immersive and very well thought out. A late and Vague response to Trebr's q.
     
  23. heh! yeah ... now THERE we go ...
    tsk!

    sounds an awful lot like >re-qualifying< for recertification
    pass some nosey "boards/panel" once ...
    REGARDLESS of how good looking you were ...
    >Had to< requalify again, at regular intervals ...
    pfffft!
    EVEN after maxing, Or staying above 95.1% time after time ...
    no slack ... see ya again next year.

    Hmmm ... yeah ...
    Well then ... looking at it that way ...

    /heel spin [​IMG]

    Give'em non-decaying quick and easy what ever it is they want this time
    :talktothehand: no no ...
    This is just a fantasy role play wand waving game ...
    wouldn't want to grind their non-motivated idle minds down too much
    THIS is Brittania!
    we don need no stinkin stan'ards !!

    we need their money :gee:

    gotta give a little to get a little
    fair is fair ...
    Give'em non-decaying quick and easy what ever it is they want this time

    Early on there were players, so dying to get "in" ... >they would< Take whatever advantage could be given
    (despite the wider perception that THAT was cheating, shortcutting, buying skills with daddy's wallet, etc. etc. etc. )
    ("Twinks" iirc) ...
    they just wanted to join in with a group of friends ...
    back in the day when there were many players
    back in the day
    back then

    *sigh*

    NOW we're a needing whatever few can be bribed. well. awarded Pixels, is all we got to offer ...
    and non-decaying titles and non-decaying virtues ... and a few other "pointless valueless"...... pixel names? I guess?

    *shrugs*

    instead of "Twinks" ... I propose we call them "lumps" ... meh! no "pop!"
    (can't do a poll, don't bother ... SOMETHING will come up ...
    *snicker*
    :scholar: call t h e m . . . . . . Fayled's Stepchildren {I did after all let them in ... neh?} )

    Doesn't matter ...
    I ain't gonna be here to have to hear them whine
    Name them what ya want
    ( :scholar: careful of their "feelings") ... Give them what you can

    Y'all need their subscription money :gee: more than you need their ability to grind.
    son :danceb:
     
  24. Xalan Dementia

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    Your nonsensical scatterbrain posting is purposefully angering other posters... so troll be ye!


    Maybe in a single player Ultima the virtues should be frequently topped off to keep the benefits, but in a MMo it should be more suited to fit the average players gametime. Sure in the bigger mmos most players are in game alot but there are alot of UO gamers that cant dedicate as much time to playing as others do. Hopefully they see that most Virtue using players are unhappy with the new decay style and fine tune it to better suit them.

    I was also wondering, why couldnt the powers at be "draft" active players to help test stuff like this? Sure when it makes it to TC we have some dedicated players who test and post findings but publishes are often rushed through TC. Give the chosen testers for that period a head start on testing stuff before the public gets it. Maybe they could have EMs actively scout out players that fit criteria, or just take applicants who want to help. Heck if they wanted they could offer a Special Title on the testers preferred character to help reward them.
     
  25. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    Problem with this is that someone will find a way to get EA to compensate them for their efforts after its been "recognized"...

    so EA just dosen't work like this...

    They would have to be "filtered" right here through a very precise ethical discrimination.

    And most of you here do not even have a clue... even those who have been working on this community for 10 years ; yall should have learned, but somehow you didn't...

    This old balding man *points up*... might have a clue so I would not dismiss him out of hand if I were you ; especially since his wisdom is well hidden in between testosterone bubbles to the brain.

    The point now being :

    In the ultima there wasn't decay, you lost points if you strayed. But what happens in a world where noone has a clue :

    ie ; noone has the true ability to judge who strays so noone really trusts each other, and this is an immense distraction to community building.

    If you think his posting style serves you not, then I invite you to join the masses and ignore button your way to glory.

    Then again if you feel a responsibility to point out when he steps over the line because you have community building at heart, there are plenty of ways to report your observations through...

    Instant messages !!! WOW !

    or ... if it's really a personal attack, there is the report button down there.

    Even I would appreciate the fact you press that button because I'm human and imperfect... and sometimes need to be moderated...

    wooo key word ! :mf_prop:

    This being said... turning virtues into a grind is terribly wrong and putrefying to the core philosophy

    Some better ways to use the NPC AI need to be devised to make this something dynamic and that cannot be "pinned down" my some unique first grade mathematical equation.

    I'm not going to spoonfeed the rest to you... please keep on topic.
     
  26. *sigh*
    /incorrect ...

    pity ... ya had "the law" right there re-quoted
    and a single sentence (/incorrect) quite ill constructed ... I point that out ONLY in a most constructive manner
    observe:
    nonsensical
    scatterbrained ...
    ^^ Neither ... can purposefully do ANYTHING ... it is the very NATURE of their separate definitions
    and a mis-placed PIXEL is sufficient to anger "the trolls" ...
    ( I could name the ones that don't even need that, but THAT would be trolling )
    *grins*

    what we have here, pilgrim ... is barbarians howling at something they don't understand
    (their claim and yours :eyes: )
    *ahem*
    :thumbsup: THAT don't make ME a troll ... try to follow along.
    or
    SHOW me where >I< encouraged a personal attack ... an OFF TOPIC personal attack
    (goes to show HOW my "trollish powers" Force the words from their keyboards. in the form of a personal attack (against the FAQ sticky and posted ROC ) AND off topic, and should have just ignored it and/or just reported it ... )
    Quite frequently, (I feel / have noticed) most attacks occur when they have no competent reply/rebuttal ...
    I politely (enough) present my opinion or question ...
    THEY reply: Fayled you suck and are incomprehensible
    and (to remain current and in context)
    YOU come along and ... well, here we are.
    You >sure< you want to "throw in" with them ^^?

    Back to the topic

    wait what?
    You think that consideration should >Favor< the MMO player, Over, The Single player?
    One // has less time TO waste // to "acquire their "fun" " ?

    :talktothehand: the game IS a time waster <<< THAT is the leveling consideration.

    "theoretically" it IS easier for the MMO player ( more peeps around, yes? > to kill time with< )
    But ... IF the mmo account/player >chooses< (or cannot avoid) to play alone ...
    sorry ...
    Can't find a logical reason why One >needs< different rules/game state than the other.
    skill is skill
    luck is luck
    virtue is virtue
    a skinner box is a skinner box ...

    If anything ... the single player needs something ... "spontaneous"
    ( bot... replacement/stand-in "Player" ) to keep them engaged
    Check for yourself, read through the forums
    MOST of the requests from these supposed MMO "designers/critics"
    WANT/Request ... stuffs that benefit ONLY the single player (the single one requesting)

    G'luck on finding and linking a GROUP bene request ... must be PERFECTED Huh?
    THATS where they ought to be wasting their time ... ingame, playing in or building or finding A GROUP.


    O'well :talktothehand: IT does not matter ... See post #23
    your side already won, son... :danceb:
     
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    In Ultima IV, yes you had to play in a virtuous style to raise the Virtues; however once you reached the required level of Virtue, you didn't have to continue to do so... you lost points if you violated the Virtue instead. In other words, you always paid Honestly at the shops, but once you'd meditated at the shrine and achieved Avatarhood in Honesty, you never lost it unless you deliberately paid less than the shopkeeper asked for (or stole an item). Likewise you didn't have to keep donating blood to maintain Compassion...


    In Ultima Online, I think the current design is either broken, or is much more complex than we've been told. Since it went live, the following has happened for me;

    Justice I was at 9 bubbles in Level 1 from when ever I last did a PvP event, maybe 8 years ago. Currently, I still am, it's not moved at all.

    Compassion: I have never dropped below Knight, despite in the space of a week resurrecting maybe 50 people and 20 pets in 5 consecutive days due to a run of EM events. I've been doing escorts to keep it up, but really not that many, maybe only 20 over the same time period? This makes me suspect that decay above Knight is much lower than below it?

    Sacrifice I was at Knight, and have lost 1 bubble since the patch went live; I have self ressurected 5 times, losing the bubble on the 4th use, and then sacrificing to the Succubi I was fighting at the time to get it back.

    Valor One bubble of decay since; interestingly, it didn't take as long at the Shadow Wisp spawn to get it back again...

    Honor One bubble of decay since. Even more interestingly, the Succubi I was killing seemed to raise it much, much quicker than previously, approximately 2/3rds less. Either this is due to a change in the points given by killing creatures, or the decay wasn't as severe as it used to be (Let's say you were capped at 105 honor, but 100 is shown in bubbles; the old decay takes 1 bubble (10 points) per decay, so you are at 95, or 9 bubbles... Now I could have behind the scenes been at 99 points instead, for what ever reason, so I got back to 100 and Knight much quicker)

    Honesty Two bubbles in Level 1. Just two measly bubbles. After about 10 items delivered to the right npc. HNNNNGHHHHH. But so far, it doesn't seem to have decayed. This virtue is TERRIBLE. I don't even purchase from NPCs all that much, I just wish to aid my fellow, yellow named citizens!
     
  28. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    Wow, what a keen sense of observation and...

    what an imagination :gee:

    everything that happens to Ultima Online these days is done after meticulous calculations and deliberations...

    you can bet its not broken :eyes:
     
  29. Sevin0oo0

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    I've never used this virtue.
    I was maxxed, thought something looked funny - had no Title/light for Valor, I 'guess' I was on the 'lowest level' And missing a couple dots. It has been a long time tho, like back when you stopped needing bone for skill building

    Why can't they just Tell You what level you're on/at, instead of some BS story paragraph? I should not have to go 'look it up on a website' to decode what they were trying to say.

    Anyways, way less than an Hr at shadow wisps, maxxed completely.
    yeah, it was kinda a 'mini-grind', but very tolerable, and no complaints here.

    Why can't the other virtues be raised at the same rate as this, especially since the Dev's wanted them all to be "Equal" ?
    Drain the same, Gain the same.
     
  30. Arrgh

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    Thank you for posting what most of us were thinking. I was "trying" to read this post but was having to scroll 10 clicks every other post thanks to 'Capt'n Wanna Grind'.

    I just left Aion because it's a crappy game in the fact that it is all grind, start to finish. I came back to UO because it wasn't a grind. I'm more than willing just to toss in the towel and find something else. I only have 5 accts so no big deal, I could diversify my gaming experience some more if I cancel my UO accts.

    I agree with the following,

    Turning virtues into a grind is terribly wrong and putrefying to the core philosophy

    Some better ways to use the NPC AI need to be devised to make this something dynamic and that cannot be "pinned down" my some unique first grade mathematical equation.
     
  31. MalagAste

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    The way I see it is this... Three have all called you a Troll. Therefore a Troll you be.

    This from someone who no longer really plays. The only thing you do for UO is be a troll on the forums. Well Forum warrior take your trolls and go home. Find a new bridge to patrol and leave the game to to those of us who still care.

    I still CHALLENGE you to do something positive. If you REALLY cared about UO and not just mocking folk who still play then I CHALLENGE you to turn your attentions and postings to positive and start giving feedback that is Helpful rather than being hurtful.

    If you can't do that that I certainly wish the powers that be would do something about the Trolls.
     
  32. Kiminality

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    UO's always been a grind.
    It was less noticeable in the early days, when you didn't have to max everything out, and you were less likely to be ridiculed for not having done so.
    But, as the community settled down and human nature took over, it became more and more necessary to perform several thousand uninteractive actions to attain mediocrity.
     
  33. Sevin0oo0

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    Compassion: While only consuming 20-30 mins a day, this is Not a hard thing, as it can even be done by non-mages doing Lissbet quest in ilshenar, it is still a Grind, and has been, since to work it to max from nothing takes 18 days, doing it Every Single Day - almost 3 weeks - that's a grind in my book. I've done this once, that was enough for me, trash
     
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    Justice is basicly pointless now, it takes less time to do two spawns than work justice back up after using it.

    On the flip side, Sacrifice is now retardedly strong.
     
  35. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    You're right Kim... but in a way theres also a difference between a grind and a grind if you see what I mean.

    What changed it all from the early days is not because human nature took over... unless you want to call trammel human nature (long shot)...

    Because before trammel... noone really cared for individual powers or people... we were all about community.

    There was Rivendell, and there was this band of thugs called AoD... and well after being tired of being robbed of their houses and belongings so often the people got tired and grouped to defeat the invaders.

    The sheer SATISFATION of this momentous event, when they finally INTIMIDATED AoD to RESPECT (important key words)

    was enough to make the whole thing NOT a waste of TIME, NOT a grind.

    Nobody cared about having an extra AoS ability or being maxxed out on their character when it mattered what happened in the community.
     
  36. Pfffft ...

    As far as I know ... VOTING is not what determines trolling ...
    fine ...

    You call three votes for trolling ...
    I'll take ALLLLL the none votes as a landslide: NOT trolling ...
    ( preponderence of evidence, burdens the accuser ... )
    (actually, as mentioned above, ONLY one vote counts ... Mods .... DOH !!)

    Really playing ? giving my stuffs to someone deserving >is not< REALLY playing the game?
    Got an account active enough to log in on, will be good to log and look around till mid Jan ...
    ASSUME much? well established that it isn't a "requirement" to post an opinion/question ... (on topic *ahem*)

    IS NOT MY fault that they don't keep the terrain clean enough for you to wander around on
    That IS what you were nagging on about ... was it not?
    Them suiting you ... improves the game for everyone elses critical concerns ... fine
    I don't think so, o'well, said so and toddled on ...
    really THAT critical that it gets done? gotta go attack, the last word is thine ..:talktothehand:
    Won't quit until I surrender a suggestion? FINE
    Devs? need to patch in a tool, child a process from from the sextant to record game location to object/tile, interface with a targeting cursor, code a macro to access and assign as needed. Tool when active creates a log of graffitti/trash/deadhouse precise location in gamespace, uploads to "items to be cleaned" database of server as part of the "LOG OFF" cycle of a client ... optional to maintain a log >with client< so that client player does not duplicate locations ... doesn't matter anyways ... something to keep them busy; Master log maintained on server, ONE employee, thirty minutes each day before sign out ... Opens database and eyeball verifies a legitimate target for eradication ... could merely hold key for yes, or tap key ... just need to human verify one last time ... once a week during a maintenance cycle ... turn on the vacuum landscape script
    *dusts hands*

    nah ... just turn house decay back on, give the EM's a temp tool to delete items from terrain ... THEY can form weekly road gangs ala tomsawyer and actually clean brittania up ... adopt a highway Sosarian style ... Aunt EM! Aunt EM! bobby found a statue! five points for bobby, yes?!
    :lol: so serious the Mal ...


    No ... wait ... what the hell does your tangent about landscape maintenance have to do with VIRTUES ??

    You NEVER have answered that question yet ... hmmm
    so ... your contribution to the community and game
    is to derail a thread of virtue to lawn care to name calling (you - me - a troll) to "suggesting" what >I< should be doing to "improve" the community and game ...
    wow

    Fine ... was already headed out the door anyway ... i'll hurry up and get out of your ... uh ... way ... I guess.

    Let you return your attention to the "spit and polish" of the virtues.
    Solved your little problem, diddle I?, now, you go fix something :danceb:
     
  37. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    Noone needs Mal to have a reason to post her opinion, she's been around long enough for us to be able to understand her concern is not about the points you so gladly underline FD...

    It's a style of posting that you yourself use... you post out of impulse, and this thread that seems soooo important in fact has a very OOOPEN "subject"...

    If the virtues being a grind reminds Mal of the fact the devs are not virtuous about their grind (their job), is as much important as you thinking that Mal is not virtuous about her grind and style of posting.

    This is all judgement of value and might I add, in a thread which has a title that speaks for itself and does not require much "discussion"

    If I take a step back right there FD... I'd say you just have been trolled, and better than Rick would have trolled you... :gee:
     
  38. Cirno

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    I think you're all getting a little waylaid somewhere shy of the thread's topic :(
     
  39. Felonious Monk

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    My newly created sampire recently acquired The highest level of Honor.
    This came as a shock to me as I wasn't focused on gaining the title, I just kept honoring foes for the effect upon there defeat.
    Could it be that its Not the grind to achieve that it once was?

    Also I haven't found the means to display the champion of honor title on my chr.
    Thought it would worth doing just for a lark. Many links describing the virtues are now broken.
    I use the EC and the option doesn't show up in titles menu even after restarting.
    Any suggestions?
     
  40. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    Thank you for pointing me out Cirno, I hadn't finished my tought this was pure digression.

    We have so much emotional attachement for this game "legacy" status that it affects us when we see :

    (I'm sorry FD to take you as an example, for all I know you could take this as a compliment)

    an Avatar (who is a human who choses to take a role, even if its a meta-role its still a role, which is what the whole Ultima story is about)

    takes the role of Lord British... and another Lord Blackthorne...

    but they can't play chess anymore...

    In our hearts you see dear Cirno... it's like a long painful rupture along the 7 muscles of faith.

    The virtues are nothing when there is no community, so if we cannot save this :

    An avatar (example FD) who has a point, but its beeen so babbled that its now not a logical point anymore ; its emotional.

    And its got to come out and I assume that is why you decided to remain neutral in the issue ?

    The way it comes out, is wrong, but then again we don't even know to which extent the people who "took the wheel" are wrong either.

    To me the same way FD is grinding against some in the community, his virtue is turned into a grind, his avatarhood is being double crossed. His "style" is being marginalised, and where did it originate ?

    Do you know Cirno ? Because he is not an enigma for me, and the recondite was my sandbox when I was a kid.

    I'd be glad to understand what is your opinion on this matter since it, indirectly means virtue or vice... if we are to build a community... let us do what is needed to put it in order.
     
  41. Cirno

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    I am more confused than I was when I first started playing EVE :(
     
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    -or-

    Maybe only the truely dedicated and persistent are rewarded the high title of Knight of Virtue.
     
  43. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    And has a chance to marry Lady Cat...

    *nods repeatedly with a very intent eye smile*
     
  44. Sir_Bolo

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    Putting things in perspective regarding Compassion decay...

    - Pre-pub 72 Compassion decayed at a fixed rate. You needed to do 5 escorts/week to maintain the cap at Knight of Compassion.

    - In Pub 72, Compassion decays at a lower fixed rate, plus you spend a small amount of Compassion points every time you resurrect someone. The fixed decay rate is now less than half the old decay rate: if you don't resurrect anyone during the week, it's sufficient to do 2 escorts/week to maintain the cap at Knight of Compassion. The amount of points spent on resurrection also seems to be very low: last night I used Resurrection at least 6 times, and a single escort was sufficient to bring me back to the cap. I'll try to test how many resurrections are needed to make a significant dent in my Compassion points...

    Losing Compassion for resurrecting someone doesn't make much sense, and losing Compassion on pet resurrection makes even less sense since you don't even get the benefit of the Virtue, but so far the decay rate doesn't seem to be as bad as people claim, it's actually much less if you don't play too often. Maybe if you resurrect people hundreds of times per week...
     
  45. Lord X

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    Justice is kinda a crap deal now... You lose in Justice every time you get a scroll from protection. Get a SOT? Lose some Justice. Get a 105 scroll.... lose some Justice. Not to mention when the champ dies, you lose Justice six times just like that.

    After some testing it appears it takes the killing of one PK every two champ spawns to maintain Knight of Justice. Though if your party gets alot of SOTs/105s during the spawn you will likely have to kill a red once per. Not bad if you're actively PvP'ing at spawns or one of your party is a PK and agrees to sacrifice himself, but for a group of sampires etc... this kinda sucks.



    Most of the stuff you say cannot even be replied to.