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Two people on LS claiming they won but didnt buy

Discussion in 'UHall' started by DENNAR, Apr 12, 2011.

  1. DENNAR

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  2. Omnius

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    It's called lying. People do it every day and have since the start of our species.
     
  3. popps

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    Don't believe everything posted on the interwebs, or forums for that matter.

    It is easy to troll and create *^&$storms. And some find it very entertaining to do so.
     
  5. Omnius

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    Indeed...
     
  6. Zosimus

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    They didnt actually say they didn't bid or bid specific on that property. They just didnt bid on those plots but won those from how I am reading it.


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  7. Lorddog

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    yep ... re-roll the lottery and this time make sure i win a plot!!

    i demands it
     
  8. Cyanide_Mage

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    I won all the mag plots on a server I don't even have a char made on!
     
  9. Lord Essex

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    Thats fine, I agree that it doesn't say they didn't bid on any plots.. But they do claim to have won plots they didn't bid on at all. So if players were able to win plots they didn't bid on that would leave one to wonder how that happened. Only two ways this happened.. 1. The UO Gods/Storks/Mongbats? who delievered the winning tickets were unable to correctly match winning players and their plots:redx:.. (If this is the case I demand a redraw!!.. Or atleast 1 Trillion Billion Zillion be transfered to my offshore account in Magincia.. err wait that won't work.. Hrmm.. My offshore account in Ocllo:scholar:) ooooor 2. Tickets from all the plots were lumped into one big pile and drawn from that. :stir: If the later is the case then why did they have us running around bidding on seperate stones for such plots when in the end it wouldn't really matter!?:bs:
     
  10. Lord Frodo

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    OMG you too!
     
  11. popps

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    I assume that it should be possible to investigate these claims though....

    Definately, I imagine that Mythic should have a database of all tickets purchased by any and all accounts.

    They should simply get these players account numbers, look at the purchased tickets database and see if it is confirmed that they did not buy tickets on the plots they won.

    How hard would this be to check ?

    Of course, "if" the findings confirmed that they never bought tickets for those plots, then there should be a redraw, IMHO.
     
  12. Thav12

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    I have a much bigger problem. I bought tickets on all the shards that I have characters and I didn't win any spots. I think this requires a complete revert and overhaul of the last 3 months. I want my money back ;-)
     
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  14. Woodsman

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    You do know that people have already moved into New Magincia, right? That many players have moved thousands of their items into their new homes in New Magincia, and that communities are actually cropping up?
     
  15. Dingas

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    Good and Bad luck? Ya lifes a *****...
     
  16. G.v.P

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    That's odd, I won the basement of SE-1. So if any SE-1 owners hear some weird noises, it's probably me ;).
     
  17. popps

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    So, are you saying that even if it is proved that bad coding caused a flawed drawing things should not be changed because players have already moved in ?

    Well, this might be a "practical" decision but definately not ethical, IMHO.

    If the claims are not valid is one thing, but "if" the claims are proven as valid via a detailed investigation then, as I see it, even if costly, the ethical solution should be the one that would need to be respected.

    A drawing needs to be fair and reliable, NOT flawed.

    At least, that is how I see it. I do not think as proper that players take all the bad coming to them for faults that are not theirs and sit on it.

    If the drawing was to be proven as faulty then the ethical thing, even if a costly measure, should be re-drawing it.

    I mean, is software code always 100% safe proof ? Never faulty ?

    Can we really liquidate the issue with humor without even any further investigation and just trust code 100% outright without even looking if the claims are baseless or not ?

    I do not know others but personally, I do not trust software code like I may do for the Bible........

    I may have faifth in the Bible, not necessarily in software coding.
     
  18. Amber Moon

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    Well, if you feel you were cheated, sue them or something popps. Players have no power to do anything about it. Contact them by PM, Call em, Write em, sue em. whatever. Pointless to come here and complain.
     
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    I am not complaining at all. I do not think it is possible to complain AT ALL at this one time simply because we have no information on any detailed investigation that might have been done or might be done on the issue.

    We do not even know whether the matter will or not be investigated more in detail since, at least to my knowledge, no official comment on this has so far been done.
    And without knowing the findings of an investigation we just cannot say whether or not the drawing was flawed in the first place. Hence, it is not possible to complain at this one time, IMHO.

    I am just saying, though, that "if" it was ever proved by an investigation that the drawing was indeed flawed, then my opinion is that the right thing would be to re-do the drawing even if that would be troubled. But of course, that's just my opinion. Most players know, though, that in this game when players loose game items due to bugs, there is the policy not to replace them. A lot of players in the past have complained with Game Masters for losing developed pets, items, boats decaying before time, whatever, due to game bugs, and the usual answer has been that lost items are not replaced, even if the cause for the loss was a game bug.

    But if we want to conclude that software code is never faulty and thus any and all double checking would be a waste of time because code can never be mistaken, then fine.....
     
  20. Amber Moon

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    :bdh:

    The carcass is still warm, but never the less dead.
     
  21. Woodsman

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    This ain't the Trammel land rush where some shards had sub-servers crashing and had to be reverted that day. We're four days into this.

    You can't screw over a whole lot of honest players at this point like that, especially when they could lose up to 13 years worth of stuff they've collected or be put into a situation where they had to quickly find alternative housing to store all of their stuff. That is much more unethical, because you are creating even more, I don't want to use the term "victm" but I can't think of a better term.

    You can't fix a problem by creating more victims of said problem.

    You're worked up about this, but to me the bigger problem is the scripters that were caught in the act by Stratics posters. Odds are that the scripters did in fact grab houses that would have otherwise been won by honest players.
     
  22. popps

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    That's a fair analysis and I can agree with that.

    Nonetheless, I think that "if" the drawing was found by an investigation to have been flawed, perhaps what could be done is have a second drawing take whatever players who win this re-draw (making sure it is not flawed this time...) but did not win the previous one and give to them some sort of a compensation or, perhaps, if they are planning to do what they did for Magincia for some other town or some future land add on, give to this players a "priority status" that whenever a new town will be opened up like Magincia to players' Housing, the players winning the second re-draw but who did not win the first drawing of Magincia will get priority placing over anyone else in the new Town. Just an idea, I do not know....

    Definately I think they should have dealt with the scripters in some way and not allow that they won plots a go-go.

    I am most amazed that after so many years that I have heard players complaining about scripters we are still here in 2011 complaining about scripters but nothing really gets done once and for all about it.
     
  23. JC the Builder

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    This doesn't appear to be something would just makeup.

    It should be easy for the developers to check if they had purchased tickets for those plots. There very well could be an error in the winning ticket selections.

    But I guess they really can't do anything about it now. Maybe it is better left alone.
     
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    I think I won a plot and they forgot to tell me.
     
  25. Lord Essex

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    I second this! :D:D
     
  26. jaashua

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    From a database or programming perspective it also doesn't appear to be the kind of thing than even an obscure bug would cause either. I can't imagine something wrong in the code or query that would cause these two to win plots that also wouldn't have caused the entire thing to be screwed up.
     
  27. Sapphirediablo

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    It makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside when people call you lires and hate on you when you have a simple problem... and everyone presumes you NEED a redraw when you didn't ask for one. I was just trying to bring this to attention incase anyone else had this issue. I am sorry that this makes me the scum of the earth, a haxxor, or a cheater... So I would like to thank you all for your kind words of support, and advice. That I really enjoy being the target of hate and being called a lire/cheat/faking. Thank you all. I hope to never see you in game.
    Be well.
     
  28. Amber Moon

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    Well, you and the other guy are apparently the only ones with a dog in this fight. Everybody else is just mouthing off.

    Did you PM the devs? Do you tell the fast food clerk if they hand you too much money back?

    It is really all up to you what happens from here.
     
  29. Sapphirediablo

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    Yep, but we aren't trying, or at least I am not trying, (not sure about the other guy) to get a redraw or anything, just wanted people to be more aware...

    Actually I do walk back if they didn't scan something or if I got too much, if I get too little I just presume that they will need it more than I will and carry on with my day.

    Oddly enough I didn't think of PMing the devs :| always view it as a dead end road with all the canned messages, but I guess I can E-Mail one of them or something.
     
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    I also think that the drawing should be comprehensively VERIFIED for flaws which, when there is software code, "can" be at times present. Not necessarily, but nothing is perfect in this material world and neither is software coding, I think......

    As in regards doing or not anything "if" it is verified that there were flaws in the drawing, well, that is a tough call but personally, I think fairness is what should matter most and, "if" the drawing was to be found flawed, leaving things as they are just does not look the really most correct thing to do, IMHO.

    But that's just the way I think about this one issue.
     
  31. DENNAR

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    I posted this because it was two people saying they had something that did not seem right happen. On another thread there was someone claiming the same thing and many pointed out one person does not mean much.

    At this point I think it is too late to do anything about the people that have placed thier buildings.

    I think this method was an improvement. Yes it allowed the rich scripters some advantage, but many non scripters were also able to win. It also prevented placement scripters and did take tons of gold out of the economy. I would vote to do more things like this in the future.
     
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    I do, I also express my extreme pity that they are the product of an educational system so poor, they can't even count change.
     
  33. Zosimus

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    Really dont know why scripting was brought up in this thread since it is very obvious that wasnt an issue with these players winning these houses.

    There are ways for any players that won houses by some weird flub up with the lottery and really didnt want them.

    1) They can sell them and keep the gold or donate the gold to their shard zoo.

    2) They can hold their own personal aucton and keep the gold or donate it to their shard zoo.

    3) Give it to a guild that is wanting to keep the player run town feel to mag.

    4) Keep the house for their own benefit if all else fails.
     
  34. Zosimus

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    Btw I was going to ignore this but let me explain something. IF this REALLY happened and it's all true. The devs, IF they can go back and VERIFY that these players had SHOULDN'T of won those houses then and ONLY then those houses in question would be ONLY re-auctioned off. Its not fair to penalize EVERYBODY for a few small mistakes.

    To late in my book anyway to get fixed. It's pretty well over with and these plyaers have options to deal with the houses how they see fit IMHO.
     
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    OMG me also!
     
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    I can understand the concerns about the actual winners, nonetheless, "if" it is verified and proved with an investigation that the drawing was flawed, can we dismiss the flaws as to only affecting those 2 incidents ??

    The problem with software coding, is that, sometimes, results can be quite unpredictable and much unexpected. "If" the drawing was to be proved as flawed, then I do not think this should be ignored.

    I mean, there is a lot of players who spent a lot of gold on tickets and won nothing. Leaving all things as they are I would not think would be fair towards all of the rest of participants to the Lottery.

    Now, I do understand that this would not be an easy decision "if" it is verified and proved that the drawing was flawed.

    Yet, perhaps, other avenues could be seeked like some sort of compensation other than messing up with the current winners.

    That is, "if" it is verified that the first drawing was flawed for whatever problems to the code, a second drawing takes place and sees who are the winners.

    At this point, this second batch of winners is purged of the names of those players who won anything in the first drawing and the remaining winners of the second drawing will be eligible for a compensation.

    Now, the compensation could be anything. From gold, to new, exclusive items, to perhaps (which is the option I would prefer....) a priority option to place as first whenever a new player Town like Magincia will be created. That is, rather than having another Lottery, this second batch winners will already be declared as winners before hand for the plots to be assigned in this new Town. The plots would be assigned to these second drawing winners randomly, not having them bought any ticket. Such a new Town could come perhaps with a future Booster or mini-booster.

    Anyways, these are just ideas, anything else could work just as well. The compensation should, of course, be comparable to the worth of the Magincia plot that they "should" have won but didn't, because the first drawing was flawed ("if" it is verified and proved that it was flawed....).

    That's how I see it.