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Ultima Online is Truly Dead to new or returning players

Discussion in 'UHall' started by WoWGracchus, Sep 24, 2014.

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  1. WoWGracchus

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    I've had an account for almost 17 years from October 1997. Every year or so I log in and try to get anything going with a group. Every time I've failed miserably. Most of the time, I just take a look at my house and then log out for weeks at a time. I only really have the client installed for a few months a year.

    They key to any MMO is the guilds. You remove the guilds, the social structure of the game and you have nothing.

    What I see happening is you have a bunch of tiny groups of players in little guilds. And, they aren't interested in letting anyone else join their guild. Frankly, there is no really incentive for them to have anyone to join their guilds.

    And, for that reason UO will continue to fail. I really like the game play and I even like the graphics. I like the housing. There's been massive numbers of great changes to the game. But for me, the game is NOT A MMO. I feel sad for the current state of the game. The players who seem to want the game to grow are the same people who simply DO NOT INCLUDE OTHERS WITH THEIR GROUPS.
     
  2. Zuckuss

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    So you joined today just to tell us that? Why not post questions on the various forums to try to promote some interaction? Why not find some like minded people that enjoy what you enjoy and play with them? If you would have come to my shard, you would have had no trouble finding a group to play with.

    That fact of the matter is, there was a time when I had the same pessimistic attitude about UO. I had thought that I had done all there was to be done and was bored with typical hunting. I was unpleased with the direction the game was heading. I was unmotivated and like you I would log in, hang out in my house and then log out.

    There came a time when I began to evaluate all that UO is and all that one can do within it. I picked something I had not tried before and I set a goal which I had intended to attain. Upon my efforts to attain that goal, I had found myself asking questions, interacting with the community, found a group of people who had the same goals, and built an awesome game experience around that. During all this time I was having a blast and also setting new goals which to attain.

    UO is what we make it. Don't expect anyone to hand it to you. There are not that many exclusive guilds out there to the point that you could not find one. I think perhaps you are not trying hard enough. Please make sure that you are, before you give up and call the game dead.
     
  3. Viper09

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    I was wondering when the next "sky is falling" thread would open up.

    On a more serious note, perhaps you (the OP) just aren't that great at rallying people together or don't know how to do it properly. Refer yourself to Zuckess's reply...
     
  4. Eaerendil

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    Laddie, I think, your problem is this dog. Men with such dogs cannot considered as men. Believe me. That aint no dog! Thats a joke... Get yerself a true dog and behave like a man. Stop whining!
     
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    Oreo's guide to play with the cool kids:

    1. Change the pic. That one is creepy and unmanly.

    2. Move out of Utah and abandon polygamy. (Optional).

    3. Use new towel from gifts to dry up tears. (stolen advice)

    4. Change your name.

    5. Give me your stuff.

    6. Apologize for shoddy posting.

    7. See number 1-6

    8. See number 7

    9. Dont throw rocks.

    10. No crying allowed.
     
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  6. Kojak

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    his name is (World of Warcraft)WoWGracchus - that tells you all you need to know - hehe
     
  7. OREOGL

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    See? Everyone knows rule 1.
     
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  8. Viper09

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    It tells me that the number of doom prohets in WoW has reached such a critical level that they are being forced to migrate to other games to keep preaching. Tis a sad day indeed :(
     
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  9. Captn Norrington

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    Sorry to tell you original poster, but no one really wants a guildie that spews doom and gloom all the time. *gets a taxi back to WoW for him*
     
  10. FrejaSP

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    There sure have been bad years but I believe it is going to changes and today is the day it turn as we get a great public, that will give the players more to do and give a new reason to be in a guild.

    I can only agree. With the new VvV PvP system, non PvP'ers and PvP'ers can be in guild together. You can make the guild and alliances work, where the PvP'ers will join VvV and the crafters and monster farmers will support them. Yet VvV only works in Felucca unless you are on Siege Perilous or Mugen but if they allow it in Trammel zone too, there are the basic for making guilds and player towns work. Back in old days, you joined guilds for the community.
    With more useful loot around the player Towns, you will again see players hang out there. We need to fix mining and lumbering, so there again are room for more than one miner in a mining cave and more lumbers in same areal. The miner community died, when they changed it so you could not mine each tiles around you before you had to move. Also each tree should have it's own logs.

    In old days, you needed guilds to be safe in numbers, to have friends to hunt with and support each others, when not all had all crafting skills. On Siege we still have guilds and a player in a respected guild stand better than a nobody in a one mans guild. I guess the trammel ruleset hurt the guilds, that it remove some reasons to band together. Maybe we need tomething to replace the old threat from PK's, maybe some roaming monsters, that will raid player Towns, gathering spots, the forest and dungeons so players have a reason to call guildmembers for help.

    I believe our devs try to changes that and for first time in many years, I believe they will success it.
     
  11. Troop

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    You log in just once a year no matter what? Neato.
     
  12. MalagAste

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    No idea what shard you tried to play on.... no idea who you asked or what the circumstances were for your posting.... BUT I can say that most likely you were on a DEAD shard... something like Napa, LA, Origins, Legends.... etc.. you didn't get a response because NO ONE plays there. Or you tried Pacific.... most times I'm there I ask questions in Gen Chat and I feel I can hear the crickets chirping... I don't know.... anyway whatever WoW is for all you pokemon/kungfu panda queens... stay there if that's what you enjoy.

    UO is for the big girls and boys who wear our big girl/boy panties .... and don't get them in a wad everytime we call out and no one answers. If you want stuff to do perhaps you might try gathering keys to something and seeing if anyone wants to join YOU instead of expecting everyone else to provide YOUR entertainment at their expense first.
     
  13. Acid Rain

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    I find it hard to believe the OP has a 17 yr old account and this kind of post is his 1st ever on UOStratics.
    For me, that puts a lot of doubt on the validity of his entire rant errrr..... post.

    PS. Its in agreement - Get a new dog or certainly don't post that pic....... seriously.
     
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  14. MalagAste

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    That ain't no dog...... That's cat bait.
     
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  15. Acid Rain

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    I've pinched a loaf bigger then that dog and just as hairy.
     
  16. Gedgerez Tesherd

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    Are you able to play more than 2 months out of the year? Your minimal playtime is like being stranded on a desert isle in terms of staying on a low pop server. IMO you need to scout your shard more, & login during peak hours during the early to mid evening for your shards timezone to find people on low pop servers. Try posting on your server forum, use general chat in the game daily, check at any active vendor house (or even create your own vendor house), check player message boards around Luna housing (create your own message board & drop runes/books around banks & Luna city), & attend the weekly EM (type news next to a town courier or sherry the mouse statuette in a home), actively check hotspots: Britain Bank, Luna Bank, Moonglow Bank, Despise Fel/Tram, Blighted Grove waiting area.

    This is also great advice, and would require you to invest in more play time.
     
  17. Capt. Lucky

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    Did you, by any remote chance, try a post on the correct shard board to attempt to find a group?
    I found that worked for me quite well.
    As a matter of fact my alliance members have, in the last few minutes, been introducing a new guild member to the group. How's that for a coincidence?
     
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  19. Capt. Lucky

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    You can have the OP also. No one else wants him ;)
     
  20. Petra Fyde

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    Nah, his lag from Utah to Europa would be too high :p
     
  21. Fridgster

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    Being from napa I take offense to that dead comment.

    As far as the op... 17 years isnt bad for a failing game.
     
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  22. Fridgster

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    ... and some little dogs are awesome... check out my wyatt... bone daemons quake in fear of him:
     

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    UO has historically always been much more inclined towards smaller groups as opposed to Zerg guilds. There is plenty of very good reason for this, and some of that is to protect you, the new or returning player, from a tiny percentage of MMO players that would abuse you for profit, or fun, or both.

    What is good about that is, whether it is five to eight players or twenty or so players boasting ten to twelve in game on a good night, those folks know each other. Lots and lots of stories in UO about the three to five man team who took a stand against a group twice, three times their size, and made them look rather foolish before enough of them fell to force a retreat, but there is that rare victory that keeps that small group coming back again and again. Plenty of very small and very efficient PVM groups as well. That is the incentive for grouping, and it has always had a hard time dealing with the need for pixel crack and individual 1337-ness.

    If you really are coming in from out there somewhere, and you have some romantic remembrance of your early UO days, why would you feel it is a must to immediately fall into a group and then go and do the biggest, hardest stuff in the game, presumably because you want the carrot at the end of that stick. Meet some people, make some new friends, go do what they want for a bit, get to know them. Most importantly, show them you have something to offer, let them see how their group becomes better with you in it. Then, maybe if that group is a good fit for you, try your hand at leadership in a small way at first.

    This isn't new stuff. Learn to play nice and share on the playground, you will make friends. Stick around, you have a month of free play. Use it, you might surprise yourself.

    And lastly, if you thought the crowds out there were rough, welcome to UHall.

    I do think there needs to be a discussion about guilds, but not like this.
     
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  24. callum_fitzhugh

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    Baby robins eat 14 feet of earthworms every day
     
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  25. MalagAste

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    More cat bait. Cats rule! Dogs Drool!

    Sometimes I miss having a dog... and then I remember what a PITA it is to have to get up and let them out ...... and in ...... and out..... and in..... and out.... and in..... And I go.... hehe nope..... don't miss them. Don't miss the shedding..... the bathing.... the trimming of nails and hair... the whining... constant begging... drooling... little puddles when they get too excited... The bills from the Vet... the picking up of the landmines in the yard... the barking at everything that moves... brushing... bad breath...

    Cats are much easier... come home..... say "Hey Marge...... listen to her tell me about her day... Give her a couple strokes... she wanders off... I make sure she has food and water... and once a week my son changes her box... easy peasy... some shedding but not that much. And then when I'm feeling all sad and alone... she comes and cuddles up on my chest and purrs...... and purrs..... and I feel all happy. No brushing, no bathing, no big vet bills, no trimming... and most of all..... no going in and out.
     
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  27. old gypsy

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    Truthfully, if I logged in only once a year and found it that painful, I wouldn't still be paying for an account. And I sure as heck wouldn't be complaining about it here on Stratics. There are too many other options in life. :confused:

    Addendum: I think what really bothers me is the OP's statement, "... UO will continue to fail." I'm sorry, but to me, 17 years does not spell failure.
     
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    This is really messed up, guy comes on UOHall with legitimate frustration and finds nothing but negativity, even from the stratics mods? WOW. way to kick a guy when hes down, even making fun of his name and "utah" for gods sakes.

    To Gracchus - i totally understand where your coming from. UO by its nature of being old has many groups of long-time friends that arent looking for newcomers. Myself, im in 1 active guild but rarely do anything with that guild. I mostly just do things with a group of 10 or so friends who dont have any guild affiliation.

    If your really looking for an active general guild, it might be hard to find on some of the smaller shards. Take a week or so for your search, ask around.

    Ive been out of the guild scene for a while, but if your looking for a pvp guild best bet is to PVP and meet people for some time before choosing a guild.
    Several large active guilds on Atlantic, Blood Order of Brotherhood (BOOB) is newish and active. The Wheel of Time (TWT) is an excellent active old guild. Not sure if United We Fight (UWF) is still active

    Yes UO isnt tailored to new players or quick random groups. just the way it is :/
     
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  29. Amber Witch

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    A great role player stated once, when under severe attack from friend and foe, that we all create our own world. We write the story. So when ever I find myself starting to think like you do I remember those words. Give it time, think about your approach to how you try to get involved in game play with others. There might be something you're unconsciously doing that is putting up a wall. I don't know. Just thoughts.
     
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  30. Capt. Lucky

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    If the guys name wasn't "WoW"Gracchus he might have gotten a little more slack from me, lol. If he actually played UO instead of WoW he might meet more people. You don't develop deep friendships playing once every month or two. It's the only post the guys made as far as I can tell. I guess WoW is looking for subscribers.
     
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    Poor dog. Poor ellipsis.
     
  32. Smoot

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    i know what you mean, i hate wow for alot of reasons, but have to admit most people playing mmos expect people to want to be doing things all the time. doesnt matter with whom. UO definitely doesnt have that. Mostly because the contents all been done and the players are set in their habits. i cant remember the last time i joined a random party to kill dreadhorn or mel or something. it was probably over 3 years ago.
     
  33. Smoot

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    before i go to work, i gotta say about the WoW thing, you know Stratics isnt just for UO. theres other games on here and all Stratics users should be accepted just the same no matter what is their choice game.

    Maybe if more were posted in UO hall about updates to other games that UO players might enjoy the other games forums wouldnt be so dead and Stratics wouldnt be failing so miserably.

    I myself played WoW hardcore for a good number of years and would definitely be interested if things were posted in UO hall about updates to other games that UO players might find intriguing.
     
  34. Zuckuss

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    Smoot,
    If you are talking about me, you can name me by name: Zuckuss.

    Please point out how I had met his comment with negativity. Show me how I didn't offer him genuine ideas and advice with his dilemma cited with my own real experiences.

    Show me where it is I went wrong with my opinion I shared and that this is not just another jab you take at the mods because of your personal grievances with this web forum.

    Go on, I'm listening.
     
  35. Smoot

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    i pmed you man, dont want to post public and its really not a huge deal anyways.
     
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    If I'm not mistaken, I think the OP may be someone who writes for one of the online gaming sites and interviewed Mesanna and the dev team a year or two ago shortly after the Covetous revamp. If so, I think we probably can expect a not-so-nice writeup about how unwelcome we can make returning players.
     
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    It's our way... if you whine here the vultures start circling ;)
     
  38. Kolka

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    I think you get out of it what you put into it; yesterday on my "dead" shard people were gathering keys for Exodus, and talking about it in general chat; the day before I went to Humility champ spawn and joined a random group. I don't expect anyone to come by my house and ask me specifically to join these things, its up to me to show up and participate.
     
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    I think the not-so-nice writeup was pretty much a done deal, based on the tone of the original post.
     
  40. Barok

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    So, you log in once or twice a year and then wonder why nobody knows you and wants to hunt with you.

    Do you go up to random strangers on the street and insist they give you hugs?
     
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    you tube the clapton song : before you accuse me, take a look at yourself.
     
  42. Faenwen

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    Hello,

    I have no idea how it is on most shards just can tell how its on Siege or DF, both small shards and I don't think that you have troubles to find a groupe to play with.

    Siege has the New guild who helps new or returning players to find their way around and get to know the Guilds on the shard.
    And I know there are lots of guild hunts and its a great community one of the best in my eyes!

    On DF its hard to run around as young player without being hunted down by someone who wants to help *chuckles*
    And they have public hunts twice a week where everyone can join in. Easy to join in and get to know other people and guilds!

    What Amber Witch said is so very true. The game is what you make out of it!
    Its like in RL... you have to do something to get something.

    And UO is a fantastic place to make friends!!! I know people who meet RL, become friends and a few even married *grins*


    Go out there and have fun!!!

    I still have lots of fun.

    UO dead *mumbles and shakes head* pppfttt
     
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    17 years that sure looks like continuing failer um I hope UO keeps a continuing fail for over more years to come.
    Seriously no game is perfect no game ever will be.So I will stick with UO
     
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    It's one thing to come here asking for help about how to really get into the community, where to look, etc. If he just did that, there would be many people more than happy to help. But to come here preaching doom and gloom and how exclusive everyone is and not wanting to include people in our play, talking down to us, you can't expect a welcoming response, from any game or forum, not just here.
     
  45. Aran

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    "Nobody likes me, the game is dying"
     
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    Nobody likes me, everybody hates me,
    I think I'll go eat worms!
    Big fat juicy ones,
    Eensie weensy squeensy ones,
    See how they wiggle and squirm!

    Down goes the first one, down goes the second one,
    Oh how they wiggle and squirm!
    Up comes the first one, up comes the second one,
    Oh how they wiggle and squirm!

    I bite off the heads, and suck out the juice,
    And throw the skins away!
    Nobody knows how fat I grow,
    On worms three times a day!

    Nobody likes me, everybody hates me,
    I think I'll go eat worms!
    Big fat juicy ones,
    Eensie weensy squeensy ones,
    See how they wiggle and squirm!


    Sorry... but... it's... it's that dog! That's a dog?
     
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  47. Vexxed

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    OK... so I find 2 things hilarious about this thread.....


    1) Everything said about the O.P. has been cracking me up... "Use the towel to wipe up your tears...." LoL

    2) And this is actually the funniest part for me... This thread HASN'T been locked yet. If Any "Babbling Loonie" on stratics has made a post as such and received this level of TROLLING etc it would have locked so fast you'd need a DeLorean to figure out when it happened. IMO it just goes to show... that when the mods find it amusing it's good to GO! and when they don't.....
     
  48. popps

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    The General Chat http://www.uoguide.com/Chat is the best friend to any new or returning player, I think it should be in the tutorial....

    It is the best way, I think, to find others on a given shard for whatever necessities when one is online.....
     
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  49. icm420

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    It's not the dog's fault! He's just a dog, imagine how he feels wearing that thing?!

    Really tho the OPs attitude is disgusting. I've moved around a lot in UO, the game changes and with the changes people come and go and come back. I've played with some of the same people for years and I've met some amazing people all over this game. I've also met some real jackasses. If you still haven't realized that you need to **** off.

    I don't feel bad for this guy, don't cry over bs and expect people to be supportive.
     
  50. Arcus

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    Its been this way for a while. They pick and choose who is allowed to post things against the TOS and who is not.
     
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