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Ummm... Did I miss something going live? Reds in Malas?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Kylie Kinslayer, Jun 20, 2014.

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  1. Kylie Kinslayer

    Kylie Kinslayer Grand Inquisitor
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    Did I miss Virtue/Vice going live or something? .. and are they now allowing reds in Tram areas? At the Rares Fest auction and there are reds around.

    Ummmm.jpg

    .. and now there are more reds before I was able to create this post...
     
  2. DJAd

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    Its all under control! I saw someone say the paged a GM 9 months ago. They should be along anytime now...
     
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    Surprise!!!!! Pub 86 is active!!!!
     
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    There are several ways this can happen.

    No one in power gives a ****.

    -Galen's player
     
  5. Tjalle

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    I see reds in Malas every day. :p
     
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  6. FrejaSP

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    Me too and thieves browsing my backpack :p
     
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  7. Captn Norrington

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    Reds have been able to do that for quite awhile, i'm not sure if i would be allowed to post how here, since it would be spreading a bug...but it really isnt to difficult to do it. (although i have never attempted it personally)
     
  8. FrejaSP

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    I feel, reds should be able to go to Trammel zone as they can't hurt anyone there and they did not do their crime in Trammel zone, but that's my opinion.
     
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    That would defeat the purpose of reds existing though. The game turns them red as a punishment for their crimes, if they were still allowed to go to trammel when red there would be pretty much no reason to get forged pardons anymore, and they wouldn't really be "paying for their crimes" like the game wanted.
     
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  10. Lady Storm

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    First off Happy Birthday Tjalle
    Second its a bug... one that has been going on for some time now....
    Scared the hadies out of me on day seeing one in luna.....
     
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  11. Zerbee

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    Killing other players should hardly be considered a crime now.. After all you can only do it in Fel, the only facet out of the several available where there is open PvP. You go there knowing you are entering a PvP zone.. Almost all players who go to Fel are well aware of this. Only reason why reds were made was before Trammel and such, when PKing was more rampant and there needed to be an actual deterrent for player killing.
    The excuse for no reason to get forged pardons is not a great excuse. If you want to keep reds in Fel simply for forged pardons, then you are sacrificing a bigger playerbase for a smaller playerbase of Thunters.
    Of course this convo is pretty much beating a dead horse. God forbid a poor blue trammie has to compete farming Narvey with a red who can't attack him.
     
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    You kinda missed what i meant by "punishment for their crimes" heh, I meant it in a UO lore, roleplay kind of way, not saying it's literally a crime people should hate them for in game.
     
  13. Lady Storm

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    Deterrent??
    We only had fel kitten when reds and pks were making life hell in UO.
    Yes that was the self appointed job they gave themselves.
    Reds, thieves, pks. pvp all has its roll in Fel the Dev made for them out of our original world.
    99.0 % of players when Trammel came into being escaped in droves for the safty it offered from them.
    No way jose will it be ok with it.
     
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  14. FrejaSP

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    That do not make sense, they did the crime in Felucca and is punished there with being red and can be attacked for free there. If other punishes are needed, they should only be in effect in Felucca.
    You need to find punishments, that lower killing of innocent in Felucca. It have to be something that limit the reds in what they can do in Felucca. Could have to do with Insurance, 2x loot/fame, where to rez.
     
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    I agree somewhat if we are red our punishment is we cannot leave Felucca, but on the other hand then you all escaped to all the other lands to which you have plenty of now.. So as far as I see it Felucca for us reds should have no other punishments as we are stuck there and guard zone should be removed and Felucca should have no safe haven for any Blues to make it fair. Frankly you blues want all your Trammel Lands to be safe zones but you also want to comet o fefl and not be attacked and be safe there as well , to what I say is why should you as a blue get all the perks for every land while reds are punished in the one land.. Give us Reds our land on our Terms for a change if you as a blue come into our lands you sought to escape many years ago let it be on our terms that you freely choose to mine, fish, etc to get double the benefits That in Our One Land we have the right to attack you freely with out the fear of Guards being called.. As you said its our choice to be Red and attack, its your choice to venture into our land , why should you get the perk of guards as well there along with all the others you already have...
     
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    The entire system was destroyed anyway the minute they added forged pardons to the game. Horrible idea imo. Many formerly red guilds became blue with no accountability.
     
  17. Lady Storm

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    Forged pardons? Really?
    Any decient RED has so many murder counts it would take a bus load to remove enough just to turn them pink!
    ~giggles~
    There was a good reason 99% of the population moved to the "carebear" (using the red name for trammel) Land.
    Land was at a premium for housing.
    Fights over a house spot were getting hot and reds would be at the forfront of the battles so the guildie could place it.
    Yelling at the Dev brought in Tram.
    Not the Players first wish but it gave the younger players a safe zone.
    Yes, Tram rule set was not on everyones wish list, contraty to popular belief.
    Players just wanted more land added to the map.
    Not everyone moved all at once... at least on the shards I play.
    It took almost a year for 75% to have left Fel.
    This was pushed by rampant Theives stealing like mad at gates and banks, players left just to escape them!
    Might I remind you many of the hard core reds of that day and age would never touch a pardon scroll.
    Fel was not their prison, it was their home.
    Might I add not all players living in Fel were reds ether.
    Over the years the different Dev teams have concocked ways to make Fel more a Red haven..
    Champs were put there so the Blues would have to fight to get the new scrolls of that day.
    To the detrement of non reds who perfered the Fel dungeons for hunting game..the Dev shut off all runes to there.
    Most guilds with a heavy Red count have profeted off their Fel rules.
    Tell me what guild that didnt have millions of gold or tons of power scrolls stacked up from raiding the champs.
    So dont hand me the "Poor Reds trapped in Fel" bit.
    As I and many know for fact is most have a blue character for tram play and sale of things looted in fel.
    Being Red is a prefrence not a punishment.
    They have no business in Tram outside of making use of an exploit bug.
     
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    Char color have nothing to do with a players honor. What do it matter if they go to Trammel on their red char or on a blue char.
    *Shake her head and goes back to Siege*
     
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  19. Kylie Kinslayer

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    I will give ya that on Siege that is probably true.. but on Atlantic errr ummm... well, let's just say these reds were pains in the butt from the word go. So... I guess in short what I am trying to walk on eggshells and say is that the reds who use exploits, hacks and the like (as these clowns did in this case) are usually nothing more than thorns in the side of every player they come across. Griefers from the word go.
     
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    You can keep those guys, Kylie... ;)
     
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    Kelmo, where did Petra get the cute choo choo's?
    As for the invasion, these reds were obnoxious...
     
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    I don't remember reds the same way as the people posting negatively about them. Sure I had run-ins with them before trammel but that wasn't a regular occurrence. Even when at champion spawns and I was still a lowly newbie more often then not the blues would successfully do the champion spawns, on occasion the reds would show up and cause some havoc but their honestly wasn't enough of them to win the fight and usually they had to retreat.

    This did change however when stat-loss was removed and everyone could go red without consequences. That is when the felucca scene shifted and the blues stopped coming and certain guilds on each shard began to control the market on powerscrolls. I don't know why the punishment's for player killing were lifted but in my opinion it did mess things up quite a bit. In my mind being red was more of a hardcore playstyle and not something everyone would be able to do successfully.
     
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    Yup. I remember it being possible via boat recalling, but I believe that was fixed many years ago. I myself never did it...though I don't remember if I had a Red at that point. I wouldn't know how to do it now either. I have two Blues anyway, so it doesn't even matter - I take both of them into Fel on a regular basis.

    Forged Pardons, meh. My red is more or less perma (and has been for nearly a decade [though, granted, my account was inactive for much of that time] @ 130 counts , and I don't have a t-hunter. While 1 mil isn't all that much, I'd rather spend the 126 mil (if I had it) I'd need for him to go blue on other things.
     
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    *smiles*
     
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    I am gonna put this on hold for now.
     
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