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Discussion in 'UHall' started by Norrar, Sep 18, 2008.
Hoping the numbers will make the devs look...
I know why its been done the way it was... and i have to agree with them on why they did it... however... how they did it is completely backwards. They should have just disallowed sending of gold. Now the bag is entirely useless. Oh well. unless you want to use it as a paperweight on the desk now.
I have to agree with you pretty much completely.. Disallow gold... Allow ingots/leather/ etc.
Nerfing Bags of Sending was the lamest attempt to stop...whatever it was they were trying to stop.
Any scripter who isn't a complete moron I'm sure just laughed to themselves between a bite of a Hot Pocket, tweeked his script a bit, and went back to playing WoW.
Either way it doesn't matter much to me. If anything this has highlighted that they are kinda useless. Nowa days if I am bored enough to farm gold, I simply pile it in a dark corner. Once the ADD kicks in, or something actually interesting is happening, a quick run to the stables to get the blue beetle, and a few trips later all the gold is in the bank.
Most people I know don't bother looting gold anyway, can you imagine the ammounts that go to waste at spawns?
Now what is really funny is people who used to take them to spawns...I once insisted someone either got booted, or had a serious talking to because they were stopping to collect gold while spawn was still going...
It punishes honest players more than the ones it was altered to affect.
The reasoning behind thier removal was not due to only scripters, but us casual users whom brought more gold into the economy than the game could handle. (yes...this is true...its been talked about in by UO staff) This in turn made it easier to dupe gold, and then rare items bought with duped gold, and so on and so on. Pulling out the bag of sending was one of the only things the devs. could do to prevent this from happening more in the future. In addition to the bag of sending being taken away, many rules and game changes were put into place to the game economy. (such as getting rid of checks over 1 mil, slowing spawn rates of monesters to limit gold harvest, changing NPC vendor resets increasing thier prices, ect.) This little innocent bag of sending was just the trigger to an avalanche of severe economic change and teh misdeeds that followed.
Are you so sure you wish to bring that back just to satisfy your conveninece?
Afterall, if you have UO assist just record a macro that takes you to the bank, opens it....and then places 10K gold in for you...with one button. Yes, you will either have to mark a rune and recall manually back...but is that so difficult as to jeopardize the entire economy over its return? all because we are too lazy?
The economy was punished by having them, we were inconvenienced for having them taken away. See the difference?
The Bag of Sending was not changed to make script farming gold harder, it was changed to prevent easy gold farming for everyone. Even non-scripting players could pull obscene amounts of gold during their hunting sessions.
Don't care, didn't use one before the nerf. I'll say no anyway.
Obscene amounts? Yeah god forbid I should be able to farm 100k/hr and send it to the bank. They limited the number of NPC escorts you can have at one time too, because it *laughs* generated too much income...
Wow, there's a valuable opinion...
100K per hour per 100K subscribers...thats 1 billion gold per hour being added to the game. how about those apples?
The npcs? no the escorts were limited so you couldnt so easily gain compassion. and these apples?
Sorry...but you fail. Even the Devs. said so. Go be lazy on someone elses watch mmk? Have you made a recall to the bank macro yet that says bank and deposits your gold? No? Well thats odd...you have time to get pissy and rip peoples posts.
I'd like them to change it so that gold is the only thing affected by the nerfed BoS. Everything else goes back to taking only 1 charge per use.
I voted no, however, if Mythic ever changes gold to a different "currency" I'd be all for BoS re-enabling. The trouble is inflation, not so much from play, but from duping. Change the currency, monitor "flow," then make an informed determination.
Pretty sure it was said in one of the town halls...
Soon after the BoS nerf, 2 big gold sellers shut down, as a result...
Oh, and "No" is winning
I voted no and was surprised at the results.
Basically, to me, I think the idea behind the BoS change WAS NOT seen until they made the changes to mining and lumberjacking and adding greater dragons afterwards (which was to slow the accumulation of resources as much as slow gold farming).
Due to that, the nature of the Bag itself has changed. The purpose behind the bag now is to secure smaller items, not mass quantities of commodities. Instead of sending 25k gold to the bank, you now send the 10th anniversary artifact or other type item.
The change that now has to be made is that of the players' mindset in that the bag can no longer fit large items effectively.
When they first nerfed the bag, I was as loud as anyone on the resource issue. As of now, I've adjusted and have a better understanding of what was done on a larger scale.
I have mixed feelings about it, the other day I'm deep into a dungeon in ish on my tamer who's already carrying half his wieght in bandages I get four kills I have to recall back out to bank and then try to fight my way back down to where I was huntin since you can't just mark rune in ish. I don't want to have to run to the bank every couple thousand in gold . I can't bring a beetle since as a tamer that would limit me to only certain types of pets to hunt with.
So they say their intent was to put an end to gold farmers and brokers. Which I would think it would work in the farmers favor by being able to raise their prices on gold. Nerfing the bag didn't and won't make them stop. It just ruins a useful tool in game for EVERYONE not just the gold farmers. If you want to get rid of the gold farmers/brokers offer the same services at a rate that would make it pointless and worthless for them to do. Use the profits to improve the damn game client.
How about those numbers?
How do you send to the bank with UOA?! (am i allowed to talk about this?) Can someone PM how you set the agent up - assuming its the organiser agent... Had UOA on my account for maybe 6 years now... never ever used it ;]
I voted yes, but i voted yes from the viewpoint of a casual player who would maybe fill their bag 3 or 4 times, with gold and items, and the get bored of hunting and go and have a cup of tea. ;]
But on the flip side, i can see the other 'benefits' too.
Where is the poll option to completely remove BoS?
Lower weight/ammont of currency.
They could definitely use an adjustment, but I agree with the method and the reasons for the nerf.
Thus, I voted no. I only miss them when I'm hunting in an out of the way place anyway.
Or in the blighted grove. Getting a new machette every 10 minutes is annoying.
What the hell is BoS? A monster? A spell? Can't you use a terminology we all understand?
BoS - Bag of Sending...
And although most people understand the abbreviations (sp?) after a while, we still kinda need a list to look up stuff... (*hint*)
I'm voting no... I was upset with the change at first, but after changing my own tactics, I am putting more gold in the bank than before the change. Recalling in and out really doesn't take that much more time, but now I've just learned which critters give higher yields. The one change that I don't like is for leather, and wood gathering, now that is much more inconvenient and slower. It doesn't really have any affect on my mining.
un-nerf them, then no need for super dragons to be tamable
They should have never been put in to the game.
you do realize it wouldnt be tough to set up a bot to vote right? or how many proxies need to be hit for one person to make "no" the popular choice? :rolls eyes:
the point is polls dont mean poop. the truth is in the individual posts stating thier pattern of voting. unless you can prove individuality of each vote, then the votes do not mean poop.
Sorry restroom dude, but NPC escorts were limited before the Virtues were added. And please, enlighten the rest of us on how you make a macro that moves a stack of gold, I"m sure we'd all like to know how you legally pull that one off...
I voted yes
Im just a reg player who used the bos ( bag of sending for those that dont know, wasnt sure if someone said it ) to send gold to the bank. I dont pvp worth a crap so i dotn get *paid* that way nor do i have a vender or anything to sell. so i used that to pay for the insurance so i could die safely (yup I die alot )
Eliminate them all together. They were just another thing that gave the game an "easy" button...la
lower the amount of gold on corpses, looting the corpse credits your bank account. Can't dupe that cause theres nothing to dupe. Eliminate checks and stacks of gold and use a credit system.
ORRRR apocalypse in UO evil runs free all the banks been robbed by an unknown evil force and everyone loses all their gold.
They say "Soon after the BoS nerf, 2 big gold sellers shut down, as a result..."
I don't believe they SHUT DOWN anyone, maybe caused them delay and to readjust. It's alil late in the game to come in like the new sheriff trying to fight already established brokers. Become the broker instead, pushing them out, use the token and code system to UO's advantage. Aslong as people are buying they'll continue to sell. Take that market from them use it to better the game.
I voted no, since the day they nerfed the BOS we quit carrying them, recalling to and from locations to bank the gold when we are full, if in Ilsh we just run back. If they allowed Leather, ingots and other items but no gold then I would be for it. As far as I am concern they can remove the BOS, we do as we did before the BOS came in game, and after they nerf them, recall to the bank.
Its one of the top 10 best things they did.
I hope the keep it as is.
One great way to hunt in Illsh without having to run back, is to have you and your wife leave an Empty Bonded Packy or Beetle each (well fed) at a bank, and then run to your hunting spot. Then pile up the gold and hides etc. where you hunt, and when you get a full load each (1600 stones or so per Packy or Beetle), just find a safe spot, log out, and back in, and your packy or beetle will be there. Then recall to the bank or house, unload, and rinse and repeat.
Works like a champ...we don't need no stinkin' BoS!!
Im ok with resources but not gold. Lets keep gold low and resources high so the price comes down on them
actually legitimate gameplay was also contributing to the problem. at the town hall the developers said that it was a general design flaw that had to be fixed, not just something abused by scripters.
Un nerf mining and LJ too!
hows has this been nerfed?
Random scripter friendly spawns now stealth the wicked and annoy the true. Uh oh I started it. I'm sorry!
Those of us interested in actually playing and trying to earn gold are being punished severely. I can't hunt for gold without having to recall in and out which leaves out Ilsh completely. I also noticed they stopped the quicker spawning in fel to sort of tackle this issue isn't that enough?
Why not just actually respond to us when we page on unattended hunters and ban them to be rid of the issue?
So it takes you a little longer to get your gold. Is that really that big an issue, especially if it does cut down on the scripters?...la
Sure, but it's really not worth the effort... stratics polls aren't a good way to take the temperature of the UO community anyway.
The BOS didn't "hurt" scripters. They simply moved onto other things like Mining/Lumberjacking for example. Wait, let us not forget the people speeding in and out of the Brit. library that love to hit up the Tokuno NPC's thousands of times a day!
Good thing siege don't have recall It makes it a LOT harder to do that I'm sure with the mana usage and all.
I don't think it was geared towards scripting. It was geared more as a cycle breaker to the honest player. Sure you can recall to a bank and drop off the loot then get right back into it. But requiring this action in the cycle breaks it. Where you might be inclined to sit in one spot and farm for hours. You now have regular opportunities to go do something more interesiting after the drop off. Be it something in or out of game... you are forced to take a minute and think about doing something else.
As for the mega script multi shard economy nuking bott scriptors.... would you really even use BoS? I mean you can but it is damned ineficient coding in checks for BoS charges and saturation. There are much simpler/efficient ways to get your scripted gold to a secure location without budging your bott hunter...or using BoS.
The trend in scripting these days isn't to get it done... that is sooo 3 years ago. That has been established. The trick now is to get it done without getting caught. And part of that comes into play when a developer thinks they have an answer. Then the illusion is to close up shop, admit defeat and sit off in some corner sulking... but it is far from reality.
I voted no ... it is a pain in the rear without the former abilities but I have since gotten away from even using them. when I got weighed down last night I went to the bank, dropped off the coin and logged for the night.
My answer is not one of the choices:
Replace the 1 charge per 10 stone weight limit with a 50 GP per 1 stone sent charge from one's backpack or bank, and go back to 1 charge per use. That way gold can't be sent, and use of the bags to send bulk materials would be discouraged by what few scripters actually used the bags (most just recalled the stuff home). It would cost for a person gathering their own resources to send, but not as big a markup as seen by those selling those things that recall their loads (and if you're farming barbed or horned leather, you can loot the kills for the gold to send the leather to the bank).
IT would remove gold from the economy - something neither the old way NOR the nerf does.
Why they claim to have done it is one thing...though I have trouble believing it was that big of a hit to scripters. Script miners were already including a recall home, dump ore trip in their scripts, so script gold farmers won't have much trouble adding in a recall to bank, dump gold bit.
What they did to it, though, was just plain silly.
Change it back to the way it was, one charge for one use. Then put a usage cap on it, tied to account. The characters of an account can use, say, the full thirty charges in one week, and that's it until they wait for it to reset.
If it's tied to the account then swapping characters or swapping bags wouldn't get around the limit. The average player would probably not even notice, bags would again be a viable income source for the people who used to sell them and the powder, and they would still be pretty useless for the 24/7 farmers.
OK apparently no one has figured this out yet. But the economy is and has been messed up for years. So hence their economy reason for the bos nerf is bull crap. Like how some people are selling gold by the millions and never run out of gold to sell. Think about it. If you think all the duped gold was removed from game well its not. Now I heard about this dupe(NO I DON"T DO IT) But apparently its called the Vesper Bank Dupe. Which from what ive gathered is not fixable and not stoppable. Apparently it has been out for years and the devs supposedly know about but can't do anything about it. From what I heard any items made with it have unique id numbers hence making them new spawned items and not dupes. Now I want to stress this point. I DO NOT KNOW THIS DUPE. DO NOT PM ME ASKING ME ABOUT IT. I only know what ive read from a forum.