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Universal Vendor Containers.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by a slave girl, Mar 17, 2011.

  1. a slave girl

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    I got lucky at an idoc the other day and have been feeling wealthy the past couple days so have done quite a lot of shopping.

    Could we please get some specialty containers for vendors so that when we open up a vendor we know exactly which container to look inside of for what we wish to purchase?

    The containers would have to be item specific, other than holding interior bags (these should be a single style), to avoid players tossing any old thing inside them, and it would be nice if they have a resizable interior and are all about medium small in size on the exterior.

    A scaled up version of a smith hammer might hold runic and ancient hammers, possibly smith scrolls, while a scaled down pickaxe could hold mining supplies like shovels and picks and prospectors tools.

    There are many kinds of items in UO and I just thought of this, so haven't thought it out well.

    Containers with transparent covers might work equally well if those are possible.

    We need a faster and better way for searching vendors, other than using the cheat search websites that use scripts to upload sale items on vendors, which is something I will never do.


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  2. Warpig Inc

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    EC grid container view FTW. Sad to have to use Lagacy container option just to stock vendors for the horse and buggy crew.
     
  3. Tazar

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    You don't have to do that...

    EC places items in the same format (5x25) grid in the 2D packs so if you want everything to be visible, place the top row... skip about 4 rows, then place the next row and repeat on down the grid. This spaces stuff so that it does not overlap as much and makes items easy to find in 2D.
     
  4. Anira Cuilwen

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    I love the legacy containers :)
    Just couldn't hold myself back to mention it ;)
     
  5. grig_since98

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    A compromise to get the look of the legacy containers with more functionality is to use Pinco's mod legacy grid containers. Won't help with vendors though.

    Thanks for the suggestion about the EC. I hate having to switch container views to stock a vendor.
     
  6. Lord Frodo

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    Those using the EC need to remember that UO has 2 clients. If you want to sell your stuff to all UO players then you need to clean up your mess. If you are doing this to force people to use the EC than you may be losing out on sells. You are a store owner and need to present a clean looking store, not a mess.
     
  7. Black Sun

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    Whenever I come across a shop that's been stocked with the EC in grid view, unless the item I want is on the top and easily visible, I close the pack and move on. I'd rather not try to sort through a blob of items on top of each other trying to find what I want.
     
  8. Warpig Inc

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    Ya it is a real pain in the ass being able to stretch out that grid view. Have a container with scroll binders for every skill SoT. Sorted with that antiquated A-Z method without wasting house locks with sorting containers in a container.Just drop one back in that I removed and it goes where it belongs.


    To be able to stretch down 8 grid and stretch 16 grid left to right. View a container with 125 pieces of armor and jewels sorted by paperdoll location in each row. Saving 8-10 sorting container locks to maybe do the same.


    Sorry but when I log back on in 2d. Like moving up north to be part of some Amish community. (My apologia to any Amish person reading this)
     
  9. Wasted changes was changing vendor packs.

    The vendors at my place that stack with EC cant be viewed functionally in Classic.

    Packs were perfect. Should have been left alone.

    Infact everything should have been left alone but better macro system and updgraded graphics. Waste of time and resources otherwise.
     
  10. Warpig Inc

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    Now UO 3d had a stretch window container that was far more superior then anything to date. Grab stretch untill things are no longer sitting on each other. A container window that could be the size of your screen. Back then I used a projector so that would of been an 8ft x 8ft container window. A black pearl measured at 5 inches.

    Far more was that items crafted only appeared in the upper left area the size of an unstretched container. So a stretched container you could place BODs, tools and resorses and not worry about crafted items covering them. Not having to shuffle about with multiple containers.
     
  11. Warpig Inc

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    Graphics are fine. There is only one part of EC that makes me cross eyed and confused. When another player recalls in where I am mining or fishing. Then their program recalls them 5 spaces away fore I'd cleared that area already. Then recall few more spaces where I help them work that area also. Only great thing about scripters is they never complain about my helping. EC hot key allows me to mine twice to their one dig with one button stab. Honest ingots look better in any container also
     
  12. Tanivar

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    The entire EC was a waste of time. Why the Devs wasted the man-hours making it should gotten someone a major constipation cure.

    Heck, it was so bad players like Pinco had to rework it as much as they could.

    If they so hate the old code, they should have just used the new programming language to convert the proven good CC so it was easier for them to work with. While they are not the 'modern graphic style', at least the CC's graphics are clear and look good.

    The EC users bellyaching about the CC users 'horse & buggy' attitude is about like diesel car owners complaning about gas car owners refusing to change to the 'better' diesel cars.

    Of the two, the CC is better. Reality is a fact of life EC people. Come out of your daydream and just accept it. :)
     
  13. Pinco

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    When CC will be able to do the same things of EC without external programs you could say that...
    Actually CC has nothing that can be defined "good", the only good thing of the CC is the stability that could be achieved by the EC as well if the devs will works a bit more on it :p
    The graphics on EC and CC is almost the same, but the EC is much more easier to use and has LOTS of extra functions that you can only dream on CC unless your gonna use illegal 3rd party softwares, in this case you can say that CC is better... but here we are CC is better only while cheating :p
     
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    o_O, I use both clients, and think there is room for both, but honestly I'll readily admit that the EC technologically blows the CC out of the water. By using LUA as the scripting language for the UI Interface they've actually brought UO one step closer to the modern era. Most of your more popular MMO's are set up using LUA these days on the client side UI for the reason that it's easy for people to create mods. WoW does it, LOTRO does it.. it's almost expected these days. So no the Devs didn't "Fail" by making something that someone like Pinco made improvements on with his UI, they created an effective usable generalized UI, that left room for people to customize, the same as every other MMO that allows UI mods do. What Pinco did was instead of make a UI that focus' on Tamers, one for Dexers, one for Mages, something that's common in other games, he made one that covers most those elements in a fashion that's fairly flexible in how the End User sets it up. I PMed Pinco about this at one point telling him how fabulous I thought his UI is, that he focused on Broad Usability and not just Ascetics.


    This is only true because the CC still exists, The current 3rd party programs folks used were designed for the CC, people won't see a reason to create one for the EC as long as the CC exists, because they have over a decade of work on CC based cheat engine that is readily available to them. Let the Plug get pulled on the CC and you'll have EC Script clients go in to development that will take advantage of the EC's benefits. So it's the CC fans and die hards these days that are keeping scripting from being technically worse than it currently is.


    I'll admit this is annoying, that's why I myself have always made it a habit to double check how things look in my vendor's pack in the CC, if I stock something using the EC. I also do as was mentioned and space things out in the Grid View to prevent some of the "Cluttering" look from happening. Usually if I don't have to move anything unless I'm trying to Showcase a specific item.

    They created Container Engraving Tools maybe you should boycott vendors that don't use them?
     
  15. Anira Cuilwen

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    EC isn't bad and pinco did a great work improving the GUI.

    However, it is very easy to toggle between grid and legacy view. I made a hotkey for that. How you do that is described on stratics. Google for ec script commands :)

    Works great, even with pinco's ui installed and no hazzle at all.
     
  16. a slave girl

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    "They created Container Engraving Tools maybe you should boycott vendors that don't use them?"




    Well that doesn't work because craftier merchants would engrave their containers of stolen gargoyle statues !!CHEAP HIGH SEAS ARTIES!!, just to get us to look.

    I am talking about graphic specific containers that hold only specific items that match the container, much like you can not place tailor bods inside a runebook, only runes can go there.

    I want to be able to open a vendor's item window and go straight to the container that holds what I am looking for because that container only holds specific items.

    Vendor windows in the EC* look worse to me as they are tiny and dark and the items don't look like they do in 2D.
     
  17. Tanivar

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    :lol: And that common inference of the EC crowd rings out again. "You must like the CC 'cause your a cheater!!

    No champ... UOAssist happens to be legal and it and the CC does all I want them to do.

    No cheating required. :lol:

    I can't wait until the first EC cheat program comes out after the Devs finish the EC. To bad so few use it that it hasn't been worth a cheaters time to make one yet. But the time may come. :)
     
  18. Tanivar

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    You run across a vendor that does such things, you just stop shopping that vendor. Considering the prices charged in Luna, paying the vendor fees a long time because stuff doesn't sell will eventually get through to them.

    I'd rather see the Dev time go into fixing bugs, making sure the next booster isn't garbage like High Seas is, and putting some time into their plans for the game so that what they add benefits the game making it more fun, not harms it and makes people regret buying it.
     
  19. Pinco

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    UO Assist do not allow you to do the same things of EC with a proper UI :p
    One day the cheaters will arrive on EC too, but I don't like to think about the future, the life is now. We must look at the present day: no cheat on EC, hundreds of cheats for CC.
     
  20. Lord Frodo

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    I pat you on the back along with all the other modders. If EC would have been done right in the first place then you guys would not of had to do all that work. I for one will not download any mod (sorry). I do not know any of you so until UO comes up with an offical mod site and tests all mods then sorry, these are not for me. Please submit your sites to Norton and McAfee for thier safe site program. If EC was that great then the CC would be gone and modders would not have been needed.
     
  21. Woodsman

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    It doesn't matter how good the EC is, there are people who will continue to use the CC until the developers block them from logging in.
     
  22. Spree

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    UOA is an approved program

    3d KR EC how many times are they remake these clients that only 3 people use.
     
  23. Meat Elemental

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    I love the horse and buggy crew!

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  24. a slave girl

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    UO is Cinderella and the Enhanced Client is it's ugly stepsister.

    First I'm gonna have to get past the ugly then second download some player made mods to be able to play it?

    I'll pass.
     
  25. Pinco

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    This way of thinking has a name: paranoia.
    Noone want to kill you or know where do you live or steal your hunger, try to relax and enjoy your life before is over :)
     
  26. RaDian FlGith

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    Nothing even remotely attractive about eyestrain trying to look at items that are so hideously small in grid view that the CC's graphics look large by comparison.

    Sorry, but until they actually implement proper iconic art for grid view so you have more than a half chance of figuring out what you're looking at in many cases: Grid. View. Sucketh. Most. Verily.
     
  27. RaDian FlGith

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    Err, Pinco, no offense, but really? I mean, I've downloaded your stuff and feel safe doing so, but for someone to be practicing internet safety isn't exactly "paranoia." It's "smart internet usage." Unless, of course, you are of some strange belief that no one has ever embedded viruses, trojans, and other malware into programs, images, zip files, or any other particular internet based download before.

    Some of us are prepared for the consequences of a bad download.

    Others take caution and just don't download in the first place.

    Not exactly paranoia.
     
  28. Kas Althume

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    Every time i read some Event stories on these boards which have screenshots from the EC iam asking myself "wtf is that, is that uo?" and "what are those undefined colorful blobs". Heck i can't even see if they are figthing stuff or watching some gardener plant some new uber plant in those event screenshots...

    Nah .. i'll stick with the CC client where there are sharp graphics .. no cheating involved ...

    What's the difference between using CC and having to download UOA and using EC and having to download a user made UI to be able to play?

    @ Pinco: As Radian said i wouldn't call it paranoia either. Can you guarantee that noone modified the files on the webspace where you are hosting the UI?
     
  29. Pinco

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    Here in Italy we have a law that prevents malware to be published on .it domains, in fact there is an authority that check periodically the webspace. If any kind of malware/piracy/illegal contents is detected the space will be closed and the owner goes in jail.
    I have an antivirus installed on the server that check the domain in real time and all the contents is filtered by me (in order to avoid legal troubles...).

    To avoid paranoia I use a good antivirus so if I donwload a zip file with a virus inside, it will be instantly removed.
     
  30. Lord Frodo

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    :thumbsup::thumbup1::thumbup:
     
  31. Meat Elemental

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    Does uo assist, cartographer and those other unmentionable cc helpers guarantee their safe?
    If your that worried about viruses I wouldn't go on the net at all.