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UO Check Book?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Travis82, Aug 11, 2010.

  1. Travis82

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    Just a thought many people on uo have 500m+. Could it be possible to have a checkbook to hold XXX 1m dollar checks so its easier to move large sums of money without doing the packhorse thing?

    Just an Idea,

    Travis
     
  2. Frarc

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    I don't even own 5 million. :)
     
  3. Magdalene

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    1. It's gold pieces not dollars :)
    2. Devs have resisted bigger checks or check binding ideas most probably becuase of duping (at least it looks like it).
     
  4. Tanivar

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    How about something like back in the medeival days? When an adventurous soul had more gold than he could carry he traded for small valuable items that he could carry easily. Since gems are pretty much eliminated because they are in game already, how about some extremely valuable jewelry items or an extremely valuable material of small size? When moused over they tell you their value in gold.

    Because of their rarity and in some cases being unique, there would be some delay and difficulties in converting an item valued at 500 million gold to several lesser value items that total up to 500 million. Might be some expenses involved in obtaining the lesser value items for you. You don't pull a 150 million gold item out of your back pocket. ( At least most of us can't. :) )

    The Devs could let their imaginations run wild on a list of names and features the items could have when the system generates them. From the serious sounding, to the lighthearted. A more game world way of dealing with the problems of the extremely rich. :)

    The duping could be countered by giving each high valued item a serial number and keeping a list of them and which character possesses them. Can't be that many mega-millionaires in this game. If item with serial number 123454321 appears on Atlantic as well as Chesapeake, the system checks it's log of which should exist and the other goes poof. I don't think dupers could get around a system record of who actually owns an item.
     
  5. So... fix the duping?

    You would also have to consider HOW you would even cash a 500 Million Gold check... there isn't room in the bank box for 500 x1 mil checks. Maybe be able to remove X-mil checks at a time via context menu?
     
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    We do. They are called vendors.
     
  7. I hold all my gold via vendors.
     
  8. Travis82

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    Great IF I could xfer my vendor to my home server..... I sell on one server and play another. Ok how about could we transfer vendors?

    And I've tried buying a fire cu sidhe so i don't have 750m on my dang vendor but no sellers it's not like I haven't tried ya know. :gee:

    Anyways we have bod books why cant we have bank books? And for Items, I don't need any my characters are done a mage and a tamer that's all I want.

    Travis
     

  9. use a broker..... :)
     
  10. Amber Moon

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    Oh the problems of the UO rich... brings a tear to my eye

    :sad4:
     
  11. Lady Storm

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    HEHE good one Amber Moon.

    I find that I fit that discription too well. hehe

    ok i'd like to see perhaps check amounts up to 10 mill that would make it a bit more easer to buy say that castle on atl that cost a kings ransom. How does one buy a castle for 400mill in one go and not get riped off by some thief?? Considering you can only hold 125 items so in 1 mill checks ..........thats alot of trust you got to have in that purchase to go well. Oh I know you can broker it, but do I trust the broker?? No.

    In todays UO economy that amount would be feasable. 10 Mill. checks with all the commas would be fine.
     
  12. Drazasamus

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    use a few pack horses, each one gets you another 125 checks
     
  13. Jandruz

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    I have to agree that the check system is ridiculous, especially on ATL where gold is plentiful and prices are inflated. Checks should be able to be made in at least 10m increments. And the duping thing - I'm in the fix duping camp. Then it's not an issue.
     
  14. chuckoatl

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    Cant do that in fel. Thats why large purchases go through brokers like Supsoc and Leogaming. People have their reps on the line, both do an outstanding job.

    Personally I think you should be able to write checks upto 100 mil, would make life so much easier. Unfortunately they havent changed this due to duping. Can you imagine someone duping 125 100mil checks?
     
  15. NO only because of duping.

    Its not a bad idea but if a book with 500 million could be duplicated and oh no its reality.... that would suck.

    Talk about inflation.
     
  16. Willard

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    WOW....I am happy when I accumulate 10 million....I can not even imagine having 500 million. I must be the one making all the vendor owners rich--I need to stop spending my gold and save...lol
     
  17. *cough cough* you forgot one :) and I'm SupSoc Endorsed. :gun:
     
  18. Metalstorm

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    My little head can't even wrap around the concept of 500 million gold :)


    I thought over ten mil was the big leagues, now I know it's small potatoes and all I got is the scrapped peels :D


    Some one once told me that the best way to make a small fortune in UO was to start with a large one :D
     
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    Why not just do away with gold alltogether?
    Put a counter on the paperdoll or something showing how much gold you have.
    Add to the counter each time you kill , i know alot of peeps who would like this as they cant be bothered picking up the 24gold but still wouldnt mind it ;)
    Would also get a few lockdowns back from bank/house because you wouldnt need all the space to store gold/checks.
     
  20. DenAlton036

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    This post is crazy.. you just have too much money, so you need to start giving it away. This game sure isnt what it used to be.
     
  21. Lord Chaos

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    This.
     
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    I do not favor UO check books. Our economy is absurdly inflated and needs deflated back down to one far more reasonable, and I dare say realistic. A castle costing less than a "million gold pieces or coins" should not cost 100 or more million pieces of gold or coins, nor should any of the other items or pets in our virtual world.

    Perhaps once EAMythic eliminates dupers, cheaters, and illegal scripters, they will hire Art Laffer to fix our virtual economy, though I won't hold my breath.

    Elladan
     
  23. Travis82

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    Scripters wont go away period. Also if we could make checks of 10m that would be OK too i could at least move my gold back easier. There is lots of people that have half a billion dollars lol. I know a handful of people that have even more money than me. You see when you play on a server where everyone has everything they need and they just sell off the extra items they accumulate then gold starts stacking up.

    Anyways 10m dollar checks would be nice, it would be a start. Devs really need to look in to this for a solution.
     
  24. Travis82

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    bumping this idea because we need higher amounts then 1 million gold checks.
     
  25. Evlar

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    There was the best answer.
     
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    If some folks are overburdened by having to handle so many "tiny" million in gold Checks, then what you are suggesting would be going in the WRONG direction. Instead eliminate million in gold checks and replace them with max amounts of 100,000 in gold Checks. Maybe then the filthy rich, and GREEDY among us will help deflate our economy back into one far more reasonable.

    Your suggestion would only serve to nudge even more inflation into our economy.

    I cannot and do not support such actions.

    Respectfully,

    Elladan of Baja

     
  27. Verthandi

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    While prices may be absurdly inflated and cheating may've had a lot to do with it, there's nothing inherantly 'greedy' about having a lot of gold to stash, and large amounts of gold can be gathered legitimately. People who spend most of their gametime trading make loads; long-time veterans may have loads; people who do a lot of spawns may have loads.

    Something along the lines of a 'chequebook'/a kind of monetary scroll binder for large transactions would be very welcome.
     
  28. Lord Chaos

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    Prices are inflated because tons of gold are entering the game, yet very little exit the game again, creating wealth upon wealth.
     
  29. Siteswap

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    Thats a workaround, not a solution.

    The solution is fix duping and then allow larger cheques.
     
  30. Freelsy

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    This is what I've always said. Something like the Diablo2 system. It just accumulates and accumulates as a number in the paperdoll.
     
  31. Travis82

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    10m gold checks would be a better idea, and really if I was duping i would not dupe gold I would dupe Artifacts, like animated legs of the insane tinker, tangles etc.. it is worth more then a 10m dollar check.

    Drop the duping issue we are talking about gold checks not people duping. That has nothing to do with the topic.
     
  32. Trevelyan

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    Similar to the 500 euro notes, I can see this being an overwhelmingly tempting target for dupes. For me the solution is ridculously easy and I've said it before:

    Reduce every amount in UO by a factor of 10. Every gold pile, every amount on vendors, every cheque or gold pile in banks. The result is that PoF would be 10k tops (yay!) and that monsters will drop reasonable amounts again. The only things that would *Not* change in value are NPCs (still buy and sell for the same amount) and insurance.
     
  33. Lord Chaos

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    Have there even been a dupe in many many years? It seems to be just something everyone brings up, but I have never heard of a dupe happening in recent history.
     
  34. Roland Of Gilead

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    oh yea its a great idea to reduce everyones gold by 10% lol people who have spend years building their fortunes can just have a big ole chunk of their hard work wiped out in a second perfect plan...Havent we lost enough long term players lately?Why would u wanna take away peoples gold i know tons o people that spend most their time in uo trading an vending u dont think that would make em quit?i know i would if my gold or any of it were to disappear.Makes all that time spend making gold trading a waste of time not to mention the money spent on game time to do that...no one likes wasting their time.I dont think uo should exactly cater to the super rich but i dont think it should penalize em for playing their game however they choose to either.
     
  35. Trevelyan

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    I think you misread what I meant. Reduce by a factor of 10 would mean 1 mil = 100k, 10 mil = 1 mil, 100gp = 10gp.

    If all gold was cut down to 10% of what it was before (rather than 90%, as you took it to mean), how would anyone lose out? In effect it would be the same as increasing bank storage for gold 9 times.

    Example: Say you sell PoF at 200k. Then everyone has their gold cut to 10% of what it was before. You would naturally reduce it to 20k.

    Absolutely nothing is lost. Gold wealth is always going to be relative, and this is what my idea preserves (except for the super poor, where gold amounts under 10gp will actually increase in value if reduced to 1gp, unless they were reduced to 0 to stop exploits).

    I would even suggest a step further to reduce gold to just 1% of their current amounts (1 million becomes 10k), but this would upset things like new players with 1000 gold or the NPC values of items.
     
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    Dead right. I'd even go so far as to say factor of 100. Some people it seems just dont get the principle behind this.
     
  37. GalenKnighthawke

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    Leave it as it is.

    For it to be more physically difficult to be rich in this game would encourage more exploiting (the super-rich will find a way to remain so, come Hell or high water), and more importantly would ignore the 13-year economic reality of the game. This is an old economy which has had a lot of new wealth; by itself this isn't a bad thing. If they had never allowed million gold cheques in the game, that'd be one thing. But they did. To try and take it back now serves no good purpose.

    On the other hand, to make it less physically difficult to be rich in this game, which is what the original poster wants, removes the only constraint there is to super wealth, removes the last check on accumulation of wealth, and hence on inflation, that there is.

    -Galen's player
     
  38. Ben Sherman

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    Big change in economy came for me with the introduction of LRC items, I wouldn't mind betting that pre-AoS, regs took more gold coin out of circulation than anything else.
     
  39. Siteswap

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    Like I said ... some people just dont get the principle behind this....
     
  40. Trevelyan

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    Yep - its so simple that perhaps some are trying to overcomplicate it :D

    All reducing gold by 90% does is increase the value of gold without changing any relative wealth of players or value of items.

    Knocking a 0 off of the end of EVERY gold amount, cheque, vendor price and gold drop off monsters does nothing except increase storage for you and your bank.

    Examples:

    - Ettins would now drop less than 100gp
    - Harpies would drop less than 10gp
    - Dragons would drop 100 - 200gp
    - Champs would drop over 1000gp each

    - Ornament of the Magician would now be a couple of mil tops
    - PoF would now only cost 20k tops
    - Dull copper runics would be 5k

    - 100 mil in gold would turn into 10 mil
    - 200k would turn into 20k

    Things like insurance, newbie starting gold, house prices, NPC buying and selling prices would all be up for discussion but this would be so easy to do and justify: you could say that the Royal Britannian Mint is concerned over forged gold coins and is issuing a new form of gold coin. As of today, all values and currencies have been exchanged to reflect this.

    If everyone has their gold reduced by 90%, what on earth changes in UO? I really would like someone to tell me why that is not a good idea. It frees up storage space in your bank (10 * 1 mil cheques = 1 * 1 mil cheque) and things look more affordable overall. In addition, I could see some psychological effect that would make people hit dungeons more to raise gold, thinking that now that gold has been re-valued, killing things would be more profitable. Perhaps :)

    So, someone tell me, why is a reduction of 90% of UO's gold not a good idea?
     
  41. THP

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    Lets be realistic any player of 6 months and above will have had at least 10 millo..... Gold is very easy to make in this game...jeeze...just drop on a few EM events and when u get lucky sell the EM trinket for vast millions....hell sit a few idocs and get rich very fast....even go on group hunts at the peerless and just scavange the gold on the monster bodies that everyone else leaves on the corpses...the jewels and the armour/weapons to sell on cheap vendors....


    Id be all for the 90% reduction throughout the whole of uo...hell make it 99% lets make gold important again!!!!!

    If u want an indication on how ''out of control'' the gold in UO and the economy sucks then just read the rares section?? single items sell for 500m plus ...thats for one pixel deco item!!

    and on a side note,,,, the only way in the game to actually store uo gold is on a vendor...end of!!
     
  42. Travis82

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    Why would you do so much of a reduction? You do know sites like searchuo and such would get rich selling gold. It would make gold go up in value and people selling items/gold for real life cash would get lots of money.

    DEVS Why can't we have 10m gold checks? I would like to be-able to say Check 10000000. :thumbup1:
     
  43. Lord Urza

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    I think its a very reasonable idea, would save alot of house storage.
     
  44. Fink

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    500 cheques is only one character transfer as it fits in four packs. 20m to transfer 500m. I don't know broker rates but it's only 4% of your total to do it yourself.

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    I've always liked the concept of a 90% or 99% gold reduction. Relative wealth stays the same but you lose all the cumbersome numbers.
     
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    Got it in one. Its that simple.
     
  46. Legacyee

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    Half the time i think playing just for gold must spoil some of the fun, but i've never played that way

    I've played for over eight years and never had more than four million, i still enjoy the game and still loot mongbats

    if you have too much just give some away, do you really need it?
     
  47. Travis82

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    Yea I do give some away. It's not the point of I have a lot of gold it's the point of this THE TOPIC, I would like to see checks have 10m gold limits.

    Keep on topic please. :thumbup1:
     
  48. Trevelyan

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    Having a higher limit doesn't solve all too much, since you still need 10 mil gold (in piles) to make a 10 mil cheque (unless you propose combining cheques, which then requires more development time).
     
  49. Valerin

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    As you can bind power scrolls to a scroll binder, you should be able to add checks to a checkbook or 'check binder'. With the inflation as crazy as it is nowadays, I can't for the life of me understand how they haven't brought in 10mil checks or another denomination higher than 1m. 4-5 years ago, 20-30m was consider a lot, and 100m was achievable but not exactly common. Now, 100m isn't really that much, and some players have a few hundred mil. Items go for more than we can even hold in the bank or on our person.

    They're way behind in this regard. Years behind.
     
  50. Theo_GL

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    No - two solutions:

    1 - Quick Fix - Allow checks of up to 10 million gold. That would allow transactions up to 1.25 billion and would take care of pretty much every transaction needed. This would take only moderate development time.

    2 - Longer/Better Fix - No checks at all. Money is deposited in bank. You have running balance in your bank across the account in simply a number. You pay for things out of your bank or by typing a number in the trade window for gold. The money is direclty moved. No storage limit for gold.

    3 - Alternative fix - New currency. Platinum piece would be worth 1k gold. This would take alot of development effort to change all money handling systems. Many games have mutliple denominations (Copper, Silver, Gold, Platinum pieces).


    I favor #1 immediately and #2 long term. Half the game anymore is managing your money/checks/vendors and it is a grind and not fun.

    I know there will be responses saying 'hey, if you have too much money give it to me.'. It should not be a penalty to making money in the game. I am primarily a saver. I rarely buy anything and sell things at fair prices and squirrel away the money in case I need it one day. Just because I don't spend every gold piece I get doesn't mean I shouldn't have a way to store it efficiently.

    As it is, I have a vendor in my house that is nothing more than an ATM. I put 100mil on it and it sits with no goods for sale. I take money if I need it and then I put money on it by buying my own bods from a book.

    It would be nice if the bank would just work this way.