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Urgent tweeks needed for Tok event

Discussion in 'UHall' started by jack flash uk, Jun 28, 2009.

  1. jack flash uk

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    1. please reinstate the rule in ToTII where you cannot hide and leave a guarding pet to kill easy spawn, with no chance of dying
    2. make all players order pets to kill spawn, or manually target spawn and not just sit at easy spawn with slayer weapons and leave ALL day/night


    during ToT2 i witnessed chars killing easy spawn for DAYS at a time
    it is happeneing with pets and is a real shame




    please think about adding these rules urgently to stop AFK FARMERS

    good people of stratics please post comments
     
  2. Dermott of LS

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    Prepare to take it verbally (or textually in this case) from the tamers on here for targeting just them in the post.
     
  3. jack flash uk

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    i am a tamer and i think the only reason to be hidden and have a guarded pet is to allow yourself to be somewhere else...................................................

    without naming names and getting myself in trouble, i can see a tamer stealther in europa doing just this, i was killing this players spawn for a few hours and got some minors, now i know for a fact, if the player was there they would be going bananas

    been there all day, and will prob be there in the morning when i get up, this is NOT playing the game

    hence why i would like ot see the ToTII rules applied, you want it, go earn it.....
     
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    I agree with you, but this has been hashed over already on here, so I'm just giving friendly warning.
     
  5. Stealth Tamer is a template. Go whine somewhere else, seriously. I play my stealth tamer a lot in this event and am sick of people like you thinking because I am hidden I am AFK. I have stopped responding to people saying "are you there???" and hoping they page on me so I can talk to the GM.

    The much bigger problem is the 2-day old melee characters sitting there with a slayer weapon at the orc spawn. I've found they are AFK far far more than tamers.
     
  6. Lord Gareth

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    Sometimes I am surprised at the ideas some people come up with to do these events afk.

    (No I don't agree with it but some people are very cleaver)
     
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    I found a gd sitting in my favorite Tok location this morning doing exactly what the OP stated. So I decided just to do it better than the dragon and stole all the monsters for myself. He would join in occassionally, but I got 90% of it to myself. I even used the gd to my benefit when someone would run by dragging spawn with it. The gd did a nice job of cleaning up that mess without putting me in danger. I bet the owner was ticked when he realized his gd was being out performed by a mere necro-mage and just sitting there doing nothing most of the time.

    -OBSIDIAN-
     
  8. Barry Gibb

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    If you think the tamer is afk, there are easy ways to tell and even easier ways to do something about it (without breaking any rules). An unattended pet will not attack unless it was the first target of the spawn (thus aggressed) go crazy with your clicking. A paladin with a good slayer weapon should easily out class an unattended greater dragon. Definitely two paladins working together will. As Obsidian pointed out, you can use them for safety too. If the tamer shows up, take the opportunity to meet someone new.

    Stayin Alive,

    BG
     
  9. Farsight

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    Getting rid of the unattended pets won't get rid of the afk artifact farming.

    Enforcing the "don't leave your computer while playing" rule probably would.
     
  10. Whinemaker

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    What about those afk sampires.
     
  11. Dragonchilde

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    I don't care if they're hidden or not.

    The GMs need to patrol Tokuno and actually enforce the game's ToS. It would be nice to see them doing something, and they could jail a few unattended folks in the process. I don' care if people sit andfarm the same place day and night... just make their asses SIT THERE when they do.

    This is like they've set up speed traps... but didn't bother staffing them with any cops.
     
  12. Lady Michelle

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    Sometimes when you lose connection sometimes your pets don't go in the stables. So it might of been possible that the person lost connection while the pet was in the middle of fighting. pets wont stable if they are aggressive I know at times I have to tell my pets to stop so I can stable them. this is one reason I go right to the stable and stable my pets I just dont log right off the game where ever I am at, and hope my pet went in the stables.
    Also my pet wont attack it will stand still while being attack til I say all kill. So I dont get how others hide and get there pets to attack without commanding it to.
     
  13. Yalp

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    Players will find a way to do the afk farming thing even if the current template dejour is somehow hack..my thought is it's not the template, it's the player.

    the ABSOLUTE best way to stop the afk farming.... INVESTIGATE every report sent in, send those doing it to the pokey... and the player that reported gets a role for the mempo!
     
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    I think what needs to be done is pets need to be made to realize that their owns are not around if the player leaves it in an area or the player loses connection. After 5 minutes the pet realizes its own is no longer around, and automaticly goes back to the stable.
     
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    I do have to agree with having to command pets to kill, but I also think it should be applied to all templates, it is pretty easy to do, make the spawn give nothing unless, it is actively targeted by the player or pet. Yes my tamer is always in attendance.
     
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    The only times I've known pets not to auto-stable are when you log with a full packhorse present, or if the server actually goes down (say for maintanance). Seen plenty of pets successfully log out while in combat.

    Unattended pets/characters won't defend themselves if monsters don't attack them. The Invisibility spell could be used to prevent them being targeted.
     
  17. Sassassin

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    The thing isthat it is not illegal to go afk while hidden. Yes they parked a gd next to them but they are not doing anything wrong.

    Unless theres a rule saying leaving uo running while afk is bannable and then in that case, bank sitting is also 100% bannable.

    Edit: you might argue that bank sitting isnt profitable however imo burning count is also a way to take advantage while afk, since the game is designed to punish you for 40 hours per count yet you are getting around it the same way tamers are "working" on their drops.
     
  18. Bomb Bloke

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    If a GM talks to you and you fail to respond, that IS bannable.
     
  19. Cloak&Dagger

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    Actually as far as game rules go bank sitting is not banable because you can time out at the bank if no one shows up to refresh the game for you, sitting at a spawn while allowing a pet to kill and being afk is banable as you do not time out due to the activity while you are fighting. Allowing the game to do anything with out you present is considered UMing and thus a banable offense so the problem is players just like to cheat, has nothing to do with the rules, players just break the rules.

    As far as gms go, they are NOT allowed to "patrol" or police an area they can only take action if someone complains, I am not sure why this is a rule, but it is EA's policy (I do believe they have the same policy for all the games) As I have said a number of times, the gms do check and tamers are the least profitable afk killers so complain about some other templates.

    BTW I do not recall any rules that you could not get arties if you were hidden, the only rule change I remember is when 10th anni arties were introduced where they lowered the amount of points you get per kill if hidden and added a range check, should still be in effect.
     
  20. Agreed, dont blame the person for corrupting the system, blame the system for being corruptable...
     
  21. UOKaiser

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    My head hurt. Ok super tamer. Just like I offered another player something else. I'll go with you to succu or hell we make it easy a place werre 2 fan dancer spawn. Make sure you're template has no melee skills. I want a pure mage type tamer. But here is the catch we will hang there for a hour But you cannot die and you cannot use invis pots,invis spells,hiding,or any monster ignore no bard skills nothing but regular offensive spells and you're pet.

    This will be fun the goal is to get 5-10 arties within the hour playing like you have 1 life.
     
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    Is there some sort of reward for completing this challenge?
     
  23. Sassassin

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    Actually timing out isnt a valid point to argue that bank sitting to "exploit" the timer on murder counts is OK.

    When you leave the dragon while hidden you are NOT in combat mode. And your dragon isnt what's keeping you logged in game. It's the other people running by and monsters respawning that refreshes your timer MUCH LIKE Bank Sitting. The advantage of hidden farming is to gain minor drops while afk and likewise the advantage to bank sit is to reduce the murder count timer while being afk and cheat the system timer to THINK you are being punished for the murderous actions you've done.

    From what I heard if a GM shows up and tries to take to you at Luna bank and you didnt respond it IS in fact bannable while proves my arguments Bank Sitting = Afk Pet Farming.

    Should we have EA to enforce the no log on UO if AFK policy, that is if you are logged in and takes no action in game for a few minutes and was not timed out for ANY GIVEN REASON, you are banned, period.
     
  24. Cloak&Dagger

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    no, yea if a gm tries to talk to you that means you are doing something wrong. GMs can only interfere if you are paged on they can not patrol the shard, it is the policy that governs them, so for someone to page on you that means you were doing something noticeably wrong. And it is your pet killing things is what is causing the spawn and THAT is you forcing it to refresh, I bank sit because I am afk, not because I am burning counts, The rules are simple being afk is not a banable offense. DOING anything while not there is banable unfortunately for tamers their pet becomes an extension of them, wanting the rules to be changed and following the current rules are not the same thing. If you want to argue a rule change then so be it, but the policy that is in place currently makes bank sitting != to afk farming.
     
  25. Ash

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    In the 2D client it is the journal being open that will keep you logged in at bank or at spawn location. The pet and spawn keep journal moving and thus refreshes the inactivity. KR from what I can tell is written where actual user activity is required. In KR if I stand to long in one spot I will get inactivity message even while actively training certain skills.

    The phrasing I had read in the past is that to be bannable the unattended person has to be receiving benefit in form of skill gains or item drops. Never read a EA rep distinction that working off murder counts was a benefit.

    In any case, simply AFK isn't bannable, AFK while receiving benefit for being logged in. So if powers that be determine working off murder counts is beneficial in terms of unattended policy then that fine by me.

    Personally I play a stealth tamer and since I play only in KR I couldn't go AFK if I wanted to. The solution as I see that would best work for all, is to apply the same activity check to 2D as KR does and make it where journal doesn't keep player active that activity is only thing that will keep player active.
     
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    Out of interest, where IS the rule that says bank sitting isn't illegal?
     
  27. Cloak&Dagger

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    I never have the journal open, and I stay logged in just fine. It is just people walking around that refreshes the game in the 2d client, because of the way it syncs with the server. KR has a much better sync and in kr if you do not move you will be marked as not there and be timed out as people do not refresh the sync to the server for you. nothing to do with the journal just the bad coding of the 2d client (once again) well not bad, but old.

    Everything else you posted is true tho so yea.
     
  28. Ash

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    Will have to take your word on the 2D aspect, as it has been well over a year since I even logged into a 2D client and even longer since played the client.
     
  29. jack flash uk

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    sadly i logged in this morning and the lonely pup has been there ALL NIGHT FARMING also another pup is in the next area doing the same thing, pet names THECU and NONAME shocking, but i agree the orc spawn
    ITS ALL WRONG

    lets add active targetting or you get nothing as others have said

    how can it be acceptable that a pet or player can be left in a safe area to farm with no danger of being killed

    HOW ABOUT RANDON SPAWN OR BALRONS or sometihng, so you have to work ifor t???
     
  30. jack flash uk

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    so, if the tamer is hidden, how come he/she does not log out after 15 mins or so, of course they should................................ i wonder why every 10 mins or so, like a flash they appear and disappear, there has to be a program runnig or macro that prevents log out


    also, if i were killing there with my pet and another player stood there with their pet, killing spawn i would have to say something

    no gey area here devs, CHEATING

    needs sorting, oh wait only 3 weeksa left, then you don't have to do ANYTHING
     
  31. Cloak&Dagger

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    As has been stated when monsters respawn the 2d client resyncs with the server and that keeps you logged in, no program needed. Of course there is no way to really stop afking, people will just macro/script or w/e to avoid the added measure put against the afkers, only fix for it would be to fix the 2d client (or get rid of it as I have mentioned before)

    Edit: This is not a ToT thing these people have been in that same spot well before ToT started again, so people stop blaming the event on what was already a rampant thing.
     
  32. Ash

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    So all hidden players that don't take the time to speak to you are cheating?

    Like it or not stealth characters exist and they are no obligation to speak to you just because you are on the same screen.

    But don't assume every stealth tamer is unattended. I have met some that tried to lure on me thinking I wasn't there, and they left with a mark on their record for doing so. The irony is that not a single one that did so every took the time to speak as well.

    What about unattended dexers? Your solution would have to apply to them as well, which would mean deactivating the autodefend function for dexers. But the problem is your solution requiring to click on each mob would make the game unplayable for average person in high spawn areas.
    What about mages then? Should they be exempt and be allowed to toss EVs and not click on each mob that the EVs attack?

    Your solution of requiring to click each mob would have to be applied to all templates and that would make it impossible for average person to handle grouped spawns.
     
  33. Just kind of lurking through the forums and noticed this tid bit. I'd like to inquire as to how you know those players left with a mark?
     
  34. Lady Michelle

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    I got on my uo hubbys tamer went to the orcs hid got off the dog it attacked every orc it saw. I guess I am broke. but from 10 pm eastern to 11 pm eastern I only received 3 arties. then i got off his tamer went back on a macer character for another couple hours, received only 2 arties. got off that character got on my archer for just one hour got 1 artie. on each character I didnt have to do nothing but just just sit here and twittle my thumbs. No vetting or healing at all. this last hour I got on my tamer went and killed never mind im not gonna tell ya, but I got 4 arties while I was there. :p
    So it seems no one is endanger of being killed my orcs if their characters are built up and have decent suits on.
     
  35. Cloak&Dagger

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    His implication was that he paged on them for luring....which is against the tos and would have gotten them a mark if it was found to be true.
     
  36. Random spawn will just upset everybody. Then you'll get a lot of the afk-scripters whine about how they can't hunt anymore without dying randomly to some highend creature *hint* they're usually the first ones to complain.

    AFK script hunting is an issue that needs to be resolved for all character classes, which doesn't just apply to tamers. I've come across too many instances of this problem in the past facing the same issues the OP, and others have witnessed over the past few days. So in general, it's not a problem that needs to be fixed for ToT specifically, but implemented as a permanent addition to the game so that no character class can easily AFK script hunt.

    There are probably a handfull of good solutions, but I reframe from posting any of my ideas due to the fact that the scripters will be the first ones too quote and flame me for obvious reasons.
     
  37. Cloak&Dagger

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    Mind as well join in the debate in the other thread, no use in letting them deter you simply because they learned how to hit the post reply button :p
     
  38. Maybe I took his comment too seriously, but he stated that he knew the players got marks. Not that I'm being an idiot because I've been paged on for the same reason hes paged on other players and haven't been marked for it yet because how am I suppose to know if the player is afk or just being obnoxious?

    If a player chooses to remain silent/stealthed while still maintaining a hunting spree, they by all rights deserve to be treated like scripters.
     
  39. It took you 6 hours to figure this out?
     
  40. Lady Michelle

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    no 5 hours I went hunting on my tamer first. then I posted here :p
     
  41. That's cool. Sorry if I sounded snarky.
    You also said earlier: "I dont get how others hide and get there pets to attack without commanding it to."

    Tell your pet to guard you.
     
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    I was at a spawn yesterday with my Greater Dragon, when this other tamer runs in with 2 bakes and starts chasing all the spawn and killing the spawn I was targeting too, so rather than play his game I just sat there with my GD and let it auto attack. This fool thought I was AFK farming and he thought he was getting the better of me, instead I made m a coffee rolled a big fat one and let him get on with it. 15 mins latter he was board of trying to grief me and left. So I was able to get back on with farming.

    So you see not EVERY tamer is AFK, Just because we don’t rage at you for coming along and killing the same spawn does not mean were AFK.

    One last thing! Would you're time not be better spent concerning you're self with what’s going on in you're life rather than worrying what’s going on in other peoples lifes?
     
  43. Ash

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    Wow, I missed the line in the TOS or RoC that states I am obliged to speak everyone that comes my way.

    I did read how luring and griefing is a no-no.

    So if you want to pride yourself on luring against those you don't see fit to play, then it is you that is running the risk of having your account marked or even banned.
     
  44. Cloak&Dagger

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    Of course they never said it was against the ToS to not speak he simply said he would treat you as if you were afk if you were going to stay hidden all the time.
     
  45. I never said I took pride in luring against scripters *cough* stealthed unrespsonsive players. I just said that if a player decides to be obnoxious enough to not inform another player of their attendance, then they deserve to be treated equally to a scripter. And by all accounts, I play stealth mages, occassionally stone some skills so I can play alternative stealth chars, including my tamer, and I have never once had a problem giving acknowledment to other players that I am playing, and not free-loading the game.

    I've been paged on many accounts for either spawn luring, or spawn stealing (that is if those players actually paged) and have never been marked for those accounts. Maybe the GMs were on hiatus? or maybe they seen reason for my actions?

    If a player can't take a moment to say hi so that I may leave the vacinity, I don't mind challenging that player for the spawn.

    If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it is probably a duck. I hope you understand my metaphore.
     
  46. Lady Michelle

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    I tried that having it guard me then hide, but when I hide the guarding stops, and If I do have it guard me and Im not hiding then it goes crazy running around trying to kill everything that targets me. I say all follow me it turns towards me for one sec like its going to then goes back to what it was doing. I find it better if i dont have it guarding me. Im fine with how my pets work cuz Im not one to sit in one spot killing orc and killing them tonight was very boring. I do go to the wasteland and kill everything in site for a bit but im always on the move and never stay in one spot for long. I like to play and not sit here
     
  47. Hidden and unresponsive.
     
  48. Cloak&Dagger

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    Haha, well I was not really quoting you word for word just thought Ash over reacted slightly lol.
     
  49. Its Stratics. We act irrational. This is where most people (including myself) vent out our anger and stress on random people from time to time just because it makes us feel better about ourselves for about three minutes give or take.
     
  50. Ash

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    I understand that you appear to be hypocritical in nature to protest against those that break the rules (even the ones you make up as you go) and then proceed to break them yourself. You are no better than the scripters out there in that regard. So 'looks like a duck' in deed.

    But go ahead and brag some more how you openly break the rules and go without punishment, all I am hearing is a bunch of quacking.