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US Senate ?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Nakukak, Sep 2, 2011.

  1. Nakukak

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    Hello,
    I was wondering if EA/UO was under the US Law, and therefore US Senate law.
    Since im not from the big and great US I dont know such infomation and would be happy to get any :)

    Regards Nakukak the Demorilizer !
     
  2. Uvtha

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    Yes EA is an american company.
     
  3. Nakukak

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    I was wondering around the multi-boxing since most people use a program to get around it...
    Then I got a second question.

    Doesn't this law from the US Senate allow to use other programs if EA doesnt implant them, themselves?

    Quote :
    "Copyright Law of the United States of America

    and Related Laws Contained in Title 17 of the United States Code´, Chapter 12

    § 1201. Circumvention of copyright protection systems

    (f) Reverse Engineering. — (1) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A), a person who has lawfully obtained the right to use a copy of a computer program may circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a particular portion of that program for the sole purpose of identifying and analyzing those elements of the program that are necessary to achieve interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and that have not previously been readily available to the person engaging in the circumvention, to the extent any such acts of identification and analysis do not constitute infringement under this title."
     
  4. Woodsman

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    They are registered/incorporated/headquartered in California and trade on the NASDAQ.

    The IRS, SEC, FTC, and State of California would be the organizations/bodies who deal directly with EA.

    The only way the US Senate would get involved with EA is if they tried to pass some kind of ratings ban on games for kids or something and they called in EA to testify. Around the time of the EA Spouse scandal, there was talk of the US Congress (US Senate is a part of that) getting involved with legislation about how to regulate overtime because the State of California had been bought off by the videogame companies, but it was not serious talk. EA has the money necessary to lobby Congress however they want, and all of California's members of the US Congress (both House and Senate) probably receive nice donations from EA, meaning that nothing significant will happen to affect EA.

    Even when the "Hot Coffee" mod was generating all kinds of negative publicity for another company and members of the US Congress like Hillary Clinton were making noise about seriously regulating videogames, nothing serious was going to come out of it - EA and the others spend too much money bribing Congress for something like that to happen.
     
  5. Uvtha

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    UO is a service. You play by EA's rules or they deny you service. If they say no multi-boxing you cant do it.

    And no, that's not what this law is about anyway.
     
  6. Nakukak

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    I will never learn all about US law over a weekend I guess :)
     
  7. Uvtha

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    That clause is really just for when its ok to break copy protection, such as for educational purposes, or cutting a clip out of a movie for a movie review show etc.
     
  8. GalenKnighthawke

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    The U.S. Senate is one half of America's national legislature. The other half is called the House of Representatives.

    Collectively, both halves together, the national legislature of the United States (roughly equivalent to a parliament in Europe) is called the Congress.

    Therefore, to say a "Senate Law" makes no sense.

    What you cite is part of American copyright law. While US Copyright Law is a complex matter, I am really quite sure that nothing in there will allow you to access EA's servers in a manner that EA has deemed to be unauthorized or under conditions that EA has set. Nor is copyright law, or any American law, ever likely to be altered in a way that's construed in such a manner as to allow us to access EA's servers (their property!) only in a manner they have authorized or under conditions they have set.

    OK, yes, there's probably some broad exemptions to this. I doubt they could legally deny access to their games on the basis of, say, race or religion.

    But in terms of how we access their servers, with what programs, and under what conditions? It's their property.

    -Galen's player
     
  9. Sevin0oo0

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    comparing to an automobile, yes you can legally circumvent emission controls, take the mufflers off, etc, But, you'd not be allowed to use it on the highway/street system and consequences to pay if you do. You can mod uo all you want too, use it on Their system, consequences there too, no federal to it.
     
  10. Trebr Drab

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    Yes, and just to add to that a little more, the US Senate or the US House of Representatives can write and pass any "law", but once they pass that piece of legislature it then gets sent to the other branch (Senate or House) to be passed or fail. Then, once a piece of legislation has passed both branches of government, it must be signed by the President to become law. Only at this point is it actually a law.

    But even once a law is passed (voted on by both branches, and then "signed into law" by the President, the US Supreme Court can "strike down" that law on the basis that it doesn't meet the rules of the Constitution of the United States. Anyone can go to court over a law, but before it goes to the Supreme Court it will go through levels of lower courts and has to work it's way up to the Supreme Court through challenges, and these challenges do not have to be accepted by any court along that path, including the Supreme Court at the end of the line.

    This is the "checks and balances" system that many free countries use some sort of take on. There are 3 branches described here, the Senate, House, and Judicial. Add onto that the President, and political Parties and you can see how the system keeps a check on any one group from gaining too much power.

    Nakukak, back to the point. What you are quoting sounds like a definition. When they write a law, they define exactly what they mean by terms in that law. Somewhere else in that law there must be a definition or usage that describes an illegal act of what we would call "reverse engineering" (but that law is describing what a legal version of that is, pertaining to that law).

    Edit to add: If that's actually from a law. You have to be careful that you're not looking at a piece of legislation that hasn't actually made it into law yet.
     
  11. AirmidCecht

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    This made me think of Schoolhouse Rocks!

    :thumbup:

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  12. Trebr Drab

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    Here's another way to describe American Politics.

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  13. WildWobble

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    Its not a crime unless you get cought!. thats the real truth in our world.:thumbdown:
     
  14. Zyon Rockler

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    I think people are concerned with rights because we've had so much history of not having certain rights and an understanding of how we are still struggling to balance things, such as lifestyles and power.

    That's why God was an important part of the system. If you take the word God and change it into the word Good, you basically get, Do onto others in a good way as you would have others do onto you. To help us understand law, fairness, justice and liberty.

    I think when you're dealing with basic rigths and contract law, For example: Your computer is at your house and their computer is where they are. So, what I see on my screen you might not see on your screen but you have that traffic going back and forth over these invisible barriers or gateways.

    So, basically, the contract says, what it will allow and what it won't but when these contracts are broken, you can then go to court and as it works its' way up to The Supreme Court, certain laws can be changed because the court decides what types of punishments. So, if they remove a punishment or allow for a certain act to be done, it changes the law.
     
  15. the 4th man

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    The Senate.....serious?? Those crooks are allowed to inside trade, it doesn't apply to them OR their top aides..........US Senate law, please.
     
  16. GalenKnighthawke

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    What he cited appears to be enacted law; I looked it up the United States Code earlier today.

    There was at least something similar there; 17 USC 1201.

    But it doesn't matter...Nothing there would prevent EA's making you agree to certain terms to use their software or access their servers, let alone both.

    -Galen's player
     
  17. PitrGri

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    I play 12+ characters simultaneously and I never had a problem with it...
     
  18. GalenKnighthawke

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    In general it's totally permissible to play as many characters in UO at once as you physically can, without the use of unapproved 3rd party programs. The term "multi-boxing" usually seems to refer to the use of one of those 3rd party programs to have your characters all do things simultaneously or in sequence. The big thing is in PvP where, say, 12 characters all casing flamestrike on the same target at the same time is an insta-kill.

    But if you can play 12+ characters at once and do it without using one of those unapproved programs? My impression is that they are fine with this, and indeed it's allowed now to have several versions of the UO client(s) running at once.

    -Galen's player
     
  19. PitrGri

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    I'm not allowed to discuss this until Mesanna explains it... until then I'll do it and others wont.