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Vampire Paladin Spellweaver

Discussion in 'UO Warrior' started by Azathes, Mar 6, 2012.

  1. Azathes

    Azathes Guest

    Hi guys! I've been working on this guy for a while because it seemed cool and because I refused to be another sampire! I want to hear your toughs and any recommendations you might make!

    110 Chiv + 10 from Ring
    110 Tactics + 10 from Bracelet
    120 Anatomy
    110 Necro (Considering dropping it to 100 and run with Bloodwood Spirit to make sure I cast VE fast :))
    120 Fencing
    110 Spellweaving - Not sure if a 100 isn't fine too

    I am not too sure what to do with the last 20 points....This is a new acc so only 20 left, if they were 40 I would have dropped necro to 100 and put 50 in parry or focus. However, the way it is I am not sure from what I can benefit with so little points left.

    Basic idea is for this guy to be a melee char (obviously running in vampire form) while benefiting from Spellweaving...With 6 AF it's really strong, you get a shield + 12 dmg on weap and a Heal over Time to compensate for the lower damage leech *due to lower damage*.At the moment with Armor Ignore, and not perfect gear - yet - I hit for 110 + 11 from Immolate Weapon (when 16 arcane focus) so that is 121 damage. It isn't grand like 250 hits you can do with a good sampire but it has a charm.

    With 4 pixies your damage becomes much higher! These things can nuke when they are 4... Nature's fury (2 of those) does a lot of damage too!

    You also get the benefit of Wildfire and Essence of Wind, which can hit quite strong and quite fast with 6 AF and 6/6 FCR and 4/4 FC.

    The shield absorbs around 80 damage with 6 AF and you get a Heal over Time for about 1,5 min and a heal of about 15 hp per 2 sec (6/6 AF). If you cast Arcane Empowerment the heal is about 24 hp per 2 sec for 30 sec.

    Gear ... This is where I am mostly confused :

    So far I have been working on normal Sampire gear but, with the difference I also need 6/6 FCR and 4/4 FC to make this mostly effective in the heat of battle. So far I've :

    Resistances are all capped but Energy which is 69/75
    40 LMC
    45 HCI
    45 DCI - Ideally this need to be at 55 so -10 DCI at 120 Chiv and +10k karma gets me to 45 DCI
    This 3 are an obvious must... now where I can go different
    Because I rely heavily on Chiv, and I spam constantly Concentrate Weapon and Divine Fury I am guessing I can go for less DI and HCI.
    Also, since you don't hit as hard as a Sampire you NEED Soulcharge on your weapon. ATM I am using a basic 20% Soul Charge Shield with awesome mods, but is cursed and brittled.

    I hope someone finds this interesting and I welcome criticism and ideas!

    PS : This build is very mana intensive. Without Arcane Focus to boost the duration of your HoT and Buff's, it is not as powerful. HoT is 1.5 min with 6 AF and 1 min without any AF this can be very mana expensive. Shield is also similiar situation as well as Immolate Weapon, which doesn't last very long anyways. Pixies also are highly effected by AF, you get them for much longer time with 6 AF and you get to summon 2 at a time for 6 mana!

    PSS: Due to that I am an elf for the extra mana and generally stats aren't like be a dexxer, although that might a mistake, not sure yet. Stats are :

    110 STR + 9 from gear = 119 total (Although Working on higher)
    90 DEX + 9 dex = 99 total
    50 INT + 2 int = 52 total ( I want to get this higher)

    My HP is : 116
    My MP is : 120
    Stamina is : 148 - goal is to get this to 160 for now... And trying to get a hold on Leaf Blade of Ease with SSI...atm I have 0 SSI, so add 12 DEX and 40 SSI and I am guessing my damage will increasing rapidly.

    I am working on getting Crimson Cincture to add 10 hp. I really would like to have my HP maxed at 150, but dunno if thats doable. Already, quite a bit of demand to the build gear wise.

    PSS: I want to point out the exact skills levels were only tested on the test server. I am still skilling my SW to 110 @ 88 atm on the proper server. But on TC worked damn nice. One thing I am not too sure about is if Chivlary DF and Concentrate boosts depend on real skill or item boost is fine too. If I need real skill I drop +10 Chiv on ring and drop 10 points in Necro or Anatomy.

    Taking advice on the gear ! I am thinking of getting Gladiator's Collar and Token of Holy Favor for the mods instead of what I have. Would love to hear an opinion.

    EDIT GEAR PHOTO (I switch around a couple of shields, use Aegis for LMC):




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  2. CorwinXX

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    You need do decide how will you get 4/6 first. Then decide how will you get 45/45.

    p.s. I know very little about SW. Do you need SC weapon to use SW spells?
     
  3. Azathes

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    Nope :) You don't and I already have 45/45 on everything...What I've posted above is my completed gear atm. And I know how I will get 4/6, Ring + Brace + Shield mod...Its already figured out, now I need the cash to make it work :)
     
  4. Podolak

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    Even with the Chiv and SW spells I presume you'll still do weapon specials right? You mentioned the Leafblade of Ease which is AI for its secondary weapon special. I imagine you'll use a radiant scimitar with UBWS (as I think that is the only single handed whirlwind weapon) at spawns? You are right this is a mana intensive idea and I am just thinking of the weapon special move mana reduction bonus. You only have 120 points toward that and you need 200 to hit the first reduction and 300 for the second and as you mentioned using a shield then perhaps 80 parry to hit the first reduction mark? You may want to drop the necro to 99 (swap jewelry to cast VE if you want to do it quicker), drop SW to 100 (100 is fine) so this gives you:

    120 Fencing
    80 Parry (so parry + fencing = 200)
    120 Anat
    120 Tact
    99 Necro
    100 SW
    81 Chiv (and if you want to put +skill on your regular jewelry bring chiv up to whatever). I think 86 chiv is the minimum pvm chiv level so you don't really need much its not like you are going to do holy light when you've got essence of wind and whirlwind at your disposal.

    Now I am looking at the no resist spells and that'll make some bosses difficult but not a deal breaker. I wouldn't put +skill on jewelry though and if I wanted to get Chiv up I'd drop anat. If you were going to drop down anat or tactics I'd go anat first.

    Good luck!
     
  5. Azathes

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    Interesting thoughts Podolak! Def some useful insight. Will be looking to drop Necro to 99 and SW cap at 100. Chiv however, is a must to 120 IMO...so DF is only -10% DCI and Concentrate weapon gives u max Damage Bonus, you only get those at 120 Chiv. This being said I am thinking about your parry idea @ 80...I will have to drop some points in Anat it seems, you are right.
     
  6. Azathes

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    As for Weapon Special moves, so far I am only using Armor Ignore...I didn't know about the mana reduction bonus I will be honest...How much is the special move reduction at 200 do you know ? Because if its large its def worth taking 80 parry. Even with 40 LMC, AI is still 30 :/

    PS: I don't spam Armor Ignore, altho I can if I really wanted (in 1v1 that is), but my Pixxie Army does do quite a bit of damage.

    PSS: I was just working on my gear spreadsheet atm and trying to figure out the best idea. With 40% SSI and buffed up with 120 Chiv 120 Anat and 120 Tactics my DPS is like 70 or so. Perhaps more, doing quick math in my head. With 40 SSI I would have 57 DPS according stratics calculator.
    Also what MODs would you recommend on the Leafblade ? I am thinking SSI, ML , LDC, Lightning and not sure if I can get away without having SL...if I can I will want to add HLA and maybe fireball


    PSSS: You didn't say if you liked the idea :)
     
  7. Gorbs

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    For any target with a slayer this sounds like a more entertaining character to use than a sampire. For those without slayers, the perfection bonus may be missed. The reason I say this is that monsters with huge hit point pools will take a longer time to go down, or (I assume) you'll be spending a lot of your time dismissing and re-casting pixies that ran out of mana.

    Do you stop swinging when you cast a SW spell.

    I'd probably drop Necro to 100. In addition to Podolak's suggestion, you can craft/buy a necromancy book with + necro skill on it. I carry one and use to get back into form following deaths (and mystic purge) for no insurance cost.
     
  8. Azathes

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    It is awesomely fun build to play!! To be honest, I havent been doing spawns etc with this guy yet, but on strong mobs such as Greater Dragons, Balron etc WITHOUT a slayer I do pretty fine, and they go down pretty fast, don't need to respawn pixies etc. I jumped on a Paragon Balron yday, and I took it to 70% before he got my shield down. I didn't bother killing him, because I didn't want to experiment if he can nuke me in 1 hit without the SW shield.

    The reason I haven't tried with slayer yet, is because I am way to bloody poor to get decent kryss/leafblade with Slayer Options and good mods...When you cast SW spells u do stop swinging and that is exactly why I am looking to get FC and FCR, so I can cast nature's fury and pixies fast. The buff's obviously don't need to be recast in battle usually, because they have CD's anyways so if you need to recast them you are either doing a boss or you forgot them anyways. Wildfire casts pretty fast in battle with maxed FC and FCR as well as essence of wind. I get interrupted 1 out of 10 times maybe.

    PS: Gorbs I have Bloodwood Spirit, so I guess I can just run around with that.
     
  9. Azathes

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    I have been running around checking how mana is with constant spam of AI, and its fine. With 40 LMC its 20 Mana and it seems Leeching + Soulcharge are more than enough. If you want, well if you would bother, I can make a video of me against a Balron and perhaps you will be able to tell me if the 5 extra mana is worth the cut. Tbh I don't spam AI all the time, I try to use it between 4-5 secs so I don't get mana cost doubled. I can see why it would be damn useful to cut another 5 mana tho if I want to spam AI. The thing is I really WANT Chiv at 120.

    EDIT: I was playing a bit with Luna Lance ( I got one, cos I bought it for 25k and want to sell it for a 200k+ lol) and with Chiv at 120 fully buffed the lance was hitting for 120 without Immolate Weapon. I was wondering, are there any good lances out there (I couldn't properly check how much Crushing Blow would do because I was running OOM too fast lol but that should make ideally 180 dmg per hit without a slayer) ? A lance with 40% SSI 60%+ HML 60%+ HSL 40% HLD and 40% LIGHT or HLA, can be damn imbalanced for this build. I was thinking, as I am not your average dexxer and I don't want to hit as fast as possible (I can't with 160 STA anyways) rather I want to hit as hard as possible to leech most, while I use SW in support. Does that make sense ?
     
  10. Podolak

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    I like your build because it is unique and you are trying some ideas that are working for you. I enjoy Spellweaving and use it on all of my characters (though admittedly mostly this is just JOAT on my mages) so seeing a build trying to make better use of it is pretty cool. I've tried to work out some warrior/archer templates with higher Spellweaving but the only one I use right now is an archer with 60 Spellweaving for pixies and the buffs. I do think you should consider stamina leech on your weapons. You won't have to carry around TR pots (not that you were going to especially with using a shield) and then you won't use any mana/casting time on DF.

    I've never run a warrior template without at least hitting the 200 skill point bonus so I am not sure in your case if that will work or not. It seems like you've tested it and are OK without it though so go with it! I generally chain my specials so every bit helps for me. I also understand what you are saying with wanting to hit BIG more so than fast. I'd recommend using the weapons chart on Stratics to go through what your DPS would be with various configurations. Find that sweet spot of hitting big enough and fast enough to max out your DPS. Here is the link if you don't have it.

    Another thought with all of thisFC/FCR you want is to maybe go wraith instead of vampire? You will leech back more mana in wraith form and cursed weapon will help with your life as will having Spirit Speak.

    You'd drop Necro to 40 and add in 120 Spirit Speak. You may well say goodbye to Anatomy for the Spirit Speak but dropping necro to 40 gives you the extra points to bring some other skills up and not put +skill on your jewelry )to fit FC/FCR).

    Biggest issue here is fitting in LRC on your suit. Hmm...bigger issue is keeping Karma up for Chiv. You know maybe given what is most important to you this idea is not the best fit.
     
  11. Azathes

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    Hello Podlak!

    Thank you for the response :) As you can see I am really pumped up about this build as there more I work on it, the better it comes. Now for your idea with Wraith form, before I came up with this build I was running exactly that in Wraith for 120 SS, altho no SW. But, Curse Weapon is very karma intensive, and to be honest, I want to enjoy the game, not go kill Orge lords and Balrons every time my karma drops under 10k. As for LRC, I don't care about it. I don't find it a big problem to have to pay for my spells, especially Chiv spells, which are pretty cheap anyways. I grind around a minimum of 300k a day from killing when I test around stuff for the build, and I tend to add around 50k to Tithing points and buy regents and store them in my house.

    I will admit I have been running through the link up you gave. However, I am not sure what is best...The highest DPS with good gear seems to come by far from Leafblade from what I've seen, but I can see a certain point in having a Lance, which is lower DPS even with 60% SSI and a lot of Dex. I will try work out something on that, but from running with the Lance yday I will say I liked it. Only problem is, there doesn't to be a single decent Lance out there, neither modded nor not modded.

    And I am happy you like my idea! To be honest, it is very intensive build...It needs the right gear, the right stats and the well the right of everything! But it is so much fun trying to build something new (I've looked around for a similar build haven't found one). And to be honest I am not dropping the vampire thing, just because I like the idea of a "Vampire Paladin Spellweaver" :D Sounds cool in a roleplayish type of a way :D I can go build a whole story arc around that :D Medieval Blade :D

    I don't know how strong other builds are because I just returned after haven't played for 7 years. I don't know if a Sampire can easily kill a Paragon Balron, I am guessing they can. I've seen Sampires solo bosses like Medusa etc, I don't think I will ever get there, but I don't care I like it :D

    PS: Do you think I can benefit from Maces & Shield Reading Glasses?
     
  12. Podolak

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    Honestly it doesn't matter if you can't solo everything if you can do the things you want to do with the template. I'll do spawns on my archer sometimes just because I enjoy it more than on my Sampire so I know what you are talking about. (fyi I use a hit area effect on my archer to offset the no whrilwind).

    I am also realizing that without at least 50 bushido you can't do whirlwind anyway so you won't even need the UWBS Twinkling. Just put a hit area effect on your weapon of choice.

    OK to answer the above question, YES! Side Note: Archers do not get as much benefit from HLD as other weapon classes so if you were an archer I "might" suggest other options (though for PVM probably not unless you wanted to squeeze in more skill points and go with a Hunter's Head Dress). In your case, fencing, yes rock the Mace and Shields if you can. 1. You get HLD, yeah huge benefit here. 2. You get 15 stats. 15!!! That is really good for a non jewelry piece (Spirit of the Totem gives you 20 stat points but you know isn't as good as M&S.) and M&S has good resists to boot. If you are a fel player the faction M&S have 10 DI which can help tight suits but you need to retain rank 10 so it depends on your shard for now. I never run faction M&S glasses on my Sampires because well, they may run in fel but are not pvp characters so I don't want to worry about keeping up points on them, they do run faction Crimsons for the +5 extra dex though. This makes my opponents happy too so they can stat my sampire. But honestly the one time I got the kill shot with my sampire was before I put him in factions and so no stat-loss for them! So it can work to my benefit too. To finish the Archer discussion you didn't ask for an opinion about, my Sampires may run M&S though generally my archers do not. Mind you the archers are more geared toward PvP so going with a Folded Steel outweighs the M&S for them.
     
  13. CorwinXX

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    You have 45/45 with your current ring + brace + shield so right now you get 0/0 from this slots. And you change them to get 4/6 you will not get 45/45.
     
  14. Azathes

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    yes yes I know, but I've worked on the spreadsheets to get the mods to works...it will be expensive tho...I will drop the extra dex and str on rings properties...the gear I run is far from perfect, I just went for a cheap solution until I can afford what I actually need. For example, I need LMC on all my Woodland armor, and that will drop me 2 extra mods on shield and smth else. Also I can drop HCI lower, because I benefit from the max values from DF from 120 Chiv (+15% HCI). The big question is if Mace & Shields Glasses are needed for this build.

    ps: I've played around with the damage calculator and if I am calculating correctly with perfect gear I can get a Lance swing to hit for 153 base when buffed + 12 immolate weapon. That means Crushing blow will hit for 230...However, the DPS is considerably lower than on a leafblade
     
  15. Azathes

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    Sorry I just noticed you answered my question ! THANK YOU! Very insightful! I should be able to buy them soon...have grinded 6mill so far, 2 days work and I can buy em!
     
  16. CorwinXX

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    I would try to go without vampire form. With chivalry and sw you may get enough healing without it. Also since you needn't SSI on a leafblade you can add HLL on your weapon. But you must have 4/6 for it.
     
  17. CorwinXX

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    I believe you could grind a minimum of 300k per hour.

    What shard are you playing?
     
  18. Azathes

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    Thanks Corwin! I am actually on Europa like you...Can you tell me how to do 300k per hour lol ? So far I've been grinding succubs and so on. Char name is Kelatazar
    Honestly, the vampire form is more for the roleplay factor I just love the Vampire Paladin idea :D
     
  19. CorwinXX

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    If you don't use Vampire form for healing you can do well without Mace n Shield glasses. You can use helm of swiftness for FC/FCR or Nightsight glasses for DCI/FCR.

    I recommend you to get 50 EP. +30 STR and DEX will be very handy when you start to fight monsters that can do 80 damage per hit.

    Since you haven't a lot of money I'd suggest you to use helm of swiftness, sing of order and two rings with FC/FCR/EP/DI/DCI/HCI (you need just 2/3 on jewels). This should be pretty cheap. You as well can get 1 FC on your weapon if you don't get a Super Slayer on it (in this case you need just one weapon and can get more DI/DCI/HCI on jewels).
     
  20. Cetric

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    hmm lol, this just gave me an idea. i just made a full max dmg/swing hammerpick sampire. i rarely need chiv with slayer/elemental dmg weaps. taking chiv out for weaving JUST for pixies would be kind of neat. Wonder if you'd neccesarily need the casting...
     
  21. CorwinXX

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    If you want to use vampire form try to get FC and HLD on your weapon (FC/HLD/HML/HSL/DI). In this case you should do well without Mace & Shield glasses.

    I will find you in game (probably tomorrow) and show you few places.
     
  22. Azathes

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    Depends which spells you will use from SW. IF only BUFF's and heal you don't...FC and FCR is mostly for Immolate Weapon recast fast + instant DF and heal. Pixies cast fast anyways and with 6AF I fail to see you having a problem to cast them in battle. However, if you want to use Wildfire, Essence of Wind, Arcane Empowerment you do need FC and FCR.
    Corwin that sounds awesome, but tomorrow I wont log in UO, got a lot of work...Perhaps you can PM me on Stratics during the weekend? Going to Qatar next week for a couple of days, so if you can't the weekend it will be after the 15th.

    EDIT: I do just VE mostly for healing, the HoT is nice but it has a cooldown after being used of 2 min so I can't spam it constantly. The pala heal is ideal in tough situations with 4/6 FCR...instant heals really...so I do depends on VE, I've tried tougher mobs without VE and its a pain in the butt. But I think you are right and with HLL I will be fine. But the poison immunity and 3 MR are quite helpful.
     
  23. CorwinXX

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    The pala heal is not so ideal. The most problem is poison. You can't heal when poisoned. (well, it's not a problem when in vampire form)
    Another problem is fizzles. When you do a spawn and 8 monsters trying to hit you at the same time.
    And the last problem is mana. When you're casting you don't swing and don't leach mana. Due to veride UO RNG a monster can hit you 5 times in a row. If it hits hard and also cast spells you can just stay and heal-heal-heal + DF to refresh stamina. You can ran out of mana this way.
     
  24. Azathes

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    I agree completely...thats why VE is important and why I need FC/FCR to make pala heal faster, this way they compliment each other perfectly. Not to mention how much SW benefits from FC and FCR
     
  25. elspeth

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    Sounds like a fun and fantastic build. Keep us updated on what you settle on and what level monsters you do. I'm working a sampire right now but if I find her boring I just might try your idea :)