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Vendor Search by october this year?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by I was there the other day, Oct 8, 2013.

  1. I was there the other day

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    May be i am wrong, but wasn´t there a statement from Mesanna at start of this year, that the vendor search would come by this time?

    Are there any updates on this?

    Thank you kindly for more information...
    :)
     
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    I am not familiar with any such statement. But if there was such a statement, we have 23 days left in October, so there is plenty of time left...
     
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  3. startle

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    Not sure on the month, but I remember thinking - ok, Fall....
     
  4. Dragonater

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  5. startle

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    Yep, you're right...

    And they bolded it!

    [​IMG]

    Just sayin...........:cool:
     
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  6. DJAd

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    That's great news I can't wait. I'd be so disappointed and let down if it didn't arrive!!!!

    On a side not what happened to ask the devs?
     
  7. Petra Fyde

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    just remember 'hope' is not a fixed promise and things don't always work out the way people plan.
    Ask the Devs turned into 'please can we have' so we made the 'tweaks and suggestions' sticky instead.
     
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  8. startle

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    Do you know something we don't, Petra?

    Or - are you just as skeptical as I am?
     
  9. Petra Fyde

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    no, I don't know anything you don't. I just know how often the team have been screamed at when 'hope' has been misinterpreted as 'promise'.
     
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    I think that most of us took it as something close to a promise... It came at a time when there were multiple threads asking why UO didn't take back control of the economy, and it sure sounded like they (Mesanna) were in agreement. But then again, she has not come forward with any news since that time...

    I do wish she would communicate more....

    Just sayin.........o_O
     
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  11. Wenchkin

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    Hope is not a promise :) It is saying that we'd hope we can get it done by October but it might be later. It's not a guarantee of that deadline or even that vendor search will come to fruition at all. This is how everything is with UO, we hear what the devs might want to do, we give feedback and input on that, and we may or may not see it in the game.

    I don't mind infrequent communications when the team is shrunk down in size. If anything I'm surprised how much Mesanna achieves both communicating with players, and sorting our problems while producing the game.

    I would like more detail about what the devs hope to do though, because "vendor search" could be anything. It's unfortunate if players are left guessing for months, even once these changes are being coded up. That leads to a lot of speculation and expectation, then disappointment if the devs give us something less perfect or wildly different to what we thought we were getting. I'm not sure how this system is better than saying, "we'd like to do x, y and z but there are no guarantees they will happen," which at least gives players a good idea of what the devs are trying to do. I don't mind waiting for things or waiting between communications, I just want to be treated like an adult and see more information at times :)

    Wenchy
     
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  12. cazador

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    I just "hope" doesn't mean "we hope to get get MYUO running again" and that "hope" turns into security issues..and a producer letter 6-8 months later shatters those "hope"s..
     
  13. DJAd

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    They should just stop giving hints and teasers about stuff they are working on.
     
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    A vendor search tool would be most excellent. What a great time saver. ;)
     
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    Well well well......... i made a post about this a few months back and it got locked??? LOL....[whatever]

    Yes HOPEFULLY this will happen!!!
     
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    Unless it is better than the diablo 3 auction house, it will get skewered if they come out with it.
     
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    I don't even see why we need it..spam the bank like the old days..drop runes..open gates!! If you have a good vendor house people will shop there! Keep it stocked with items that everyone needs and you'll be fine..nm the fact we already have a site that does a good job getting all the luna vendors plus tokuno and any rune given to them in trammel facet..so why waste dev hours for something that probably won't even be as good as that, when there are gameplay things that should be fixed or tweaked first..or heck new content..but yay! Vendor search!!! As if you couldn't do it already...I'd rather the in-game store come first.
     
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    lol is ea will be another 6 months then a link too existing ones lol, they will just say legit
     
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    Talk to the owners..get the RmT off the site..pay them for making a working vendor search, steal the code make it official and call it a day
     
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    lol look diablo real money legit trade killed game

    lack of hunting, for cheaters bots duppers real money trade killed legit trade killed game price for a billion gold wasnt very high near end, like less than a coffee so hense why try play for items


    they took auction house of from cause of
     
  22. claudia-fjp

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    I feel your post needs one more set of quotes for "security issues"... *pictures Dr. Evil*
     
  23. WootSauce

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    Just going to go ahead and say it. The 3rd party sites are more reliable in both the ability to make a purchase, as well as being able to find what you need in game. This isn't an endorsement, and is obviously not going to be a popular stance, but it is the truth.
     
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    More reliable than what?
     
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    Right now, the search sites are very useful. The funny thing is most frequented vendors--and heavily scripted areas--are either in Luna or Makota; we are just lazy at this point.

    Used to be you could find a good vendor along any road in UO. Outside of Vesper, outside of Moonglow, at the Yew Moongate, outside of Brit, at the Brit Moongate. But there was a lot less to buy back then, too.
     
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  26. I was there the other day

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    I would love a search like the search sites are... Just with all vendors on all shards.

    So even if a vendor is somewhere at the a far away coast, the search site should show the location.

    This would even a good point for PKs. They can place a cheap vendor in fel and can wait there for the customers coming in. :)
     
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    PS: No need to buy stuff for RL money. Uo gold is fine enough.
     
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    This is not that difficult to do. I would be surprised to see it in this year, however. Until then people are going to still use search sites because its down right convenient and we humans are all about convenience. Face it! Yes you can drop runes, open gates, drop promotional books, etc. And while that helps, it doesnt beat hitting a bookmark typing in what youre looking for and like magic.... Boom. I mean even when you do do it the old fashion way, you'd still have to open every darn container in every darn vendor.... Ugh.

    Ain't nobody got time for that!
     
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    More reliable than either that account management site, or the Origin store, both of which are sanctioned by EA. If something as overthought and needlessly complicated as those are any example of what is coming, Id rather they spend the coding time upgrading overland spawn loot, and tmap loot (shame anyone) and more interesting things for the turn in points. Seriously, the <site that cant be mentioned>, I am told, does a good job. Im not a big fan of RL $$ purchases in the game, hence the reason I don't have an undertaker staff or any of that. But the searches are good. If the unofficial partnership is working, don't break it!

    To be blunt and very unmoderator-ish, Im afraid anything they come up with wont be as useful, or function as smoothly as what is out there now. So don't waste the dev time on it.
     
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    If a dev is reading.
    I'd love the ability to search for the "highest priced" items on a shard and the "lowest priced" items on a shard.
    If you could add that to the search parameters you are creating it would be GREATLY appreciated.
     
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  31. startle

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    Adding that (assuming they haven't already) would be trivial coding.... A simple sort of the data that is already there. dB 101
     
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    I'd most like to see the ability to search for certain mods on armour and weapons.
     
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    I want the ability to search for jewelry and exclude items that are cursed.
     
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    The problem, if I remember correctly, is that the data is in flat files, not a database. Which, really isn't that big of an obstacle (which I have posted about before). It really isn't that hard converting a flat file to a data base. I do it all the time for my text based football sim leagues.

    Here are the problems as I see them.
    It's a flat file.
    It's in the 'cloud' (that is really a rather large issue)
    Server load

    I can see bots set up to continuously scan for under priced items. That kind of server load would lag the game.

    IMO, the game needs to save and use a separate server for the database search. And honestly, there isn't a reason that the back up/save couldn't be an almost live copy. I've worked on several super mainframes where the back up and the back up of the back up were essentially live copies.

    Having it in the cloud is essentially a shared hosting environment. Meaning there are other things on the same servers as UO. Meaning that lag isn't always UOs fault (other than the poor judgement that moved UO to the cloud).

    Anyway... I think this is very possible. Just like I feel that hot bars and multiple chat windows are possible in the CC as well. And tells... ect...
     
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    They are possible and look decent, 'other' shards have had Gen Chat/Guild Chat/Faction Chat/Party Chat/Ally Chat/PMs windows..for years now. Who knows maybe it's coded WAY different :/
     
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    It's not really coded much different. It's just a matter of implementing it.
     
  37. startle

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    Hey NuSair... Pretty much everything you've said here is accurate, but far from any kind of serious obstacle.

    The fact that it's a "flat" file is - (as you admit) - trivial "re-formatting".

    Also, I would be completely happy with the db only being updated once per shard "day" (at maintenance) if that would kick this thing into gear... Once that part is done, dealing with real-time updates is also just implementing good code to refresh only the "changes" in the data (like any good backup program), and that is also easily doable.

    Any lag issues (should scanbots cause any noticeable lag) can be dealt with by judicious use of "spam" technology - again not rocket science.

    Bottom line: No earthly reason to NOT do this.

    Just sayin....;)
     
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    I believe UO workers will cost approx. between $5,- and $5000,- per hour, very earthly US $. That might be an obstacle.
     
  39. startle

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    They're already gettin' paid.... Might as well become famous for the dev's that saved the game...
     
  40. the 4th man

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    I wouldn't trust those 3rd party sites, as far as I can throw my pc........I'll leave it at that.
    Oh, and I collect alot of books too.
     
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    well fingers crossed....seems the devs have put a ''stop'' to the ....other site we cant talk about .....''search bots''....so yes maybe they working on this big time...good good good....

    mmmm looks like the search bots are back after 2 days without them..oh well...
     
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