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Verite Hammers 12 of them. OH and gems.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by RavenWinterHawk, Sep 6, 2008.

  1. Alright a few weeks back I said I had about 100 million.

    So I kept track for fun this scenario.

    Buy 5 verites at 15 million. SO that 75 million. (I didnt buy them - a what if)

    SO now I have 5 hammers.

    Took the other 25 million and truely stocked my vendors.
    Mostly bought 25k tickets for 700k and resold them for profit.
    I sold out lots of AOS slime dyed stuff.


    Everytime I got to 15 million Id pretend Id buy a verite hammer.


    Well all said and done. I would have 12 right now.

    12 verite hammers from selling my junk and just buying hammers since the ban ended.

    If I did it with barbed kits at 2.5 million that would be what 72 barbed kits.

    Well I could have... thats my point.

    If I really bought the hammers and had 12 in my bank box. Wouldnt that look fishy?


    So for intent and purposes I could have 12 verite hammer from normal game play, since the bannings. And there are still dozens of verites and valorites on vendors.

    Being a merchant maybe in a year from today Id have...

    31 verite hammers.
    500 barbed runic kits.

    My point is that from playing a merchant in a year, I can get tons of stuff from selling my crap and rebuying.


    Would the above get me banned?


    Right now FOR Stygain ABYSS.. (as a merchant I am speculating)

    I am buying every gem for 2k to 5k.
    I am buying ingredients for various prices.

    I will end up with 10k or more of each gem. NOT ecru's

    And 1000s in not 10k of the ingredients. Will that look funny too.


    Look, maybe a DEV can answer this. With stacking and truely little to buy in game as a merchant, you buy resources. You end up with lots.


    If another ban occurs or whatever... How would a DEV know the above didnt happen.

    *looks in my crates*

    33 verite hammers
    426 barbed kits
    12k of each mined gem
    10K scourage and 10k of the others.

    Who wouldnt scream duper. OR cheat. I WOULD.

    AND NO I DONT HAVE THESE but I will in gems. And could in the others. Look at the vendors in luna and figure out what you could mass in 1 year.
     
  2. Doomsday Dragon

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    Your not kidding though I know because I do the same as a merchant.

    I buy eye of the travesty at up to 200k per in bulk and I buy white pearls for 5 to 10k per by the hundreds. I craft pendants of the magi and sell them by the dozens. Last night alone I sold almost 20 pendants that's in a SINGLE night of business. I will be stocking at least 20 to 25 more pendants in once I can find the eyes to make them.

    I am starting to branch out from pendants to essence of battle and resilient bracers also in the same way I buy the gems and captured essence and craft them in bulk amounts.

    The exact same thing can be done in almost every venue of the game if you want billions of gold you can have it provided you can do what is required to get there.

    You want to make some serious cash buy low sell high and stay away from fishy looking stuff it's not hard.
     
  3. Nexus

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    Considering the rate of drops for the BODS to get a Verite Hammer Which only btw drops from 3 LBODS
    10 - Exceptional - Platemail Large - Valorite
    15 - Exceptional - Platemail Large - Valorite
    20 - Exceptional - Platemail Large - Verite

    The odds of even a single vendor having the 5 initial ones can lead to a thought of foul play. Being you can only collect 1 ever 6 hours on a GM + Smith, meaning 4 a day it would take you 409 and 1/2 days to collect every possible Smith BOD if....you got a different one each time or 2047.5 days to get 5 of each possible or a little over 5 and 1/2 years. If every character on your account was a GM+ Smith it would take almost 2 months to get 1 of each bod. RNG would have to be strongly in your favor.

    I can't guarantee it but if a person had 10+ bod runners pulling BODs 4 times a day odds are they are scripting to get the Bods to start with, not saying that's true of everyone but, considering the number of characters odds would tend to lead to that conclusion. Now the other end of this is someone has tons of gold and is buying the BODs and turning a profit or Duping the hammers. With no way of you to tell is it really worth the risk? It's better that the vendors be investigated before someone doing what your saying gets banned for buying duped goods.

    Now lets go on to the second post on this....Pearls by the hundreds? I know with a GM fisher I get 1 maybe 2 every couple hours. How many suppliers do you have? If it's just one or two that consistently have 100+ pearls does it cross your mind that maybe they are scripting them...if they get banned what happens to your supply? Do you care? Of course not because you already have your gold in the bank.
     
  4. the 4th man

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    If you have to ask, then I'm sure you got you're answer.

    Also note, before these script monkeys went ballistic and started spitting hammers out left and right......think about it, how many hammers were availible, for sale, say 5 years ago?
    In a years time, what??....maybe 2? If one can find, and buy 12 in a year, one pretty naive, gullible or plain dense in the head and deserve a good banning.:loser:
     
  5. Nexus

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    That's my point....there wasn't the availability to do something of that type 5 years ago......
     
  6. pavel.vesely

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    You do not know how to run bods. It is done this way: have one character with 0.1 smith and/or tailor. Take her every hour and get BOD. You can get 100 BODs per week this way with one character. Now have one other character with legendary smith and/or tailor. This character fill abovementioned BODs by buying necessary goods. Most goods to fill BODs will cost 5-20 gold per piece, so it is better to sell ingots per 20 gold and buy goods from blacksmith. Now you have 100 filled BODs which you turn in with legendary character and get new BODs. Nearly half of new BODs will be colored and can get you runic tools/bless deeds/etc. Recycle other half next week. All of this can be done for about two to three hours of 'work' per week.
     
  7. hawkeye_pike

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    Now, where would you buy 500 non-duped Barbed Kits? Don't you think that so many Barbed Kits shouldn't even be in circulation? That's something I'd call fishy.
     
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    So your saying that you as an individual could crank out the amount of runics we're talking about? Enough Top End Runics to supply a shard? Completely by hand? Even doing the method your talking about which I am aware of it's doubtful. I've gone through periods where I was cranking out over 100 bods a day with a Elder smith doing it for weeks straight...I've pulled 2 val bods and multiple Verite one's for Non-LBOD items. This is after the changes to correct how Bods are distributed. RNG is strongly against the possibility of 1 individual coming up with enough BODs to consistently keep a stock of them in the amounts that have been mentioned. Like I said it's probably possible if you trade or Buy a lot of Bulk Orders but to do it as an individual without any outside help, it's highly doubtful to pull multiple 10-15 Val and Verite hammers over the course of 1 year let alone a few weeks.
     
  9. GalenKnighthawke

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    Use your experience and skill as a merchant to decide what "feels" right and what doesn't.

    -Galen's player
     
  10. pavel.vesely

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    Well, I have to agree, that my method will not give you more then dozen valorite hammers per year. If you want to get more, you have to do it full time 40 hours per week, with multiple accounts full of crafter characters.

    Pavel VeselĂ˝
     
  11. PASmountaindew

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    Actually if you are smart you collect BODs to start with using a smithy and tailor that only have 0.1 in each skill. Yes you get the low end cloth or iron BODs but then you fill those and thenturn them in with your Legendary Tailor or Smithy and get the good BODs. That is what I used to do.
     
  12. Lord Kynd

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    what i don't understand is ya'll seem to make statments like bod's are only availiable on one shard...
    most bod runners i know have multi- accounts and run every shard, not just one shard..
    so that being said, if there is a limit somehow to the runic bods, say one per shard per year.. wouldn't it be possiable to buy or gather them from every shard ? bring them to one shard and ... oh lookie that person must be duping because they have xx of this....

    personally i like to have alot more proof of wrongdoing before i point my finger.
     
  13. Maplestone

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    Nerf merchants!
     
  14. Setnaffa

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    12 Verite Hammers? Again, that assumes 12 Verite Hammers are legitimately for sale on a Shard when you are ready to buy them.

    I spend alot of hours doing the BODS and I haven't earned a single Verite Hammer in well over a month. 28 BOD runners collecting 3 times a day. Filling about 400 BODs a week for turn-ins and the last Verite hammer I earned was about 5 weeks ago.
     
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    Considering the cost of legitimate Transfer Tokens (12-15 million in-game or $19.99 from uogamecodes) it wouldn't be worth moving all the hammers to one shard. If I saw someone with 10 Verite Hammers, the chance they are legitimate is less than 1%.
     
  16. Setnaffa

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    That's the way you do it, but their's too much work involved. You have to log on every hour 14 or 15 times a day to get 100 BODs per week per .1 smith. Then you have to fill them all to get anything worthwhile. That might work for you, but I'd rather spend the initial time to GM a bunch of Smiths, then spend 10 minutes 3 times a day collecting BODs. I'll still end up with way more than 100 junk BODs each week, but 1) I don't have to log in every hour of the day to get them, and 2) I usually end up with a few good BODs while just doing the BOD runs.
     
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    Could camp IDOCS like I did part time....on a good one you can get several books full of junk bods to use recycling.....
     
  18. Xevious

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    Just a reminder, verite hammers were one of the rewards from blackrock turn-in. I have 4 verite hammers and 6 agapite hammers from blackrock that I still haven't used or sold.
     
  19. Setnaffa

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    Sure. You can do that. But how often do you stumble upon an IDOC where there of lots of BOD's? Once a Week? Month? Year?

    I end up with around 1,000 BODs a week, spending about 10-12 hours of my game-time.
     
  20. Nexus

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    If you spend a few hours a week say 2-4 you can find 3-4 a week actually I know one person that goes looking everyday for a couple of hours and visits 2-10 IDOC houses a day.
     
  21. Experimental

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    So you think being naive, gullible or being dense should be bannable?
    If that were the case, there wouldn't be many left playing the game and I hope to the god and goddess you aren't in any position of management irl.
     
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    Obviously EA does.....if you go out and buy multitudes of Top End runic hammers. Tells me they think you should have the sense to know that there just shouldn't be 10+ Val/Verite Hammers floating around on the market on a given shard.
     
  23. Experimental

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    MOST players should know that, but a player who has never had a crafter before or a new player who has bought an account or even one who is just new to the game and bought tons of gold (yes, these types of players exist) may not know these hammers are supposed to be rare.
    Being naive shouldn't be a crime and buying a duped item when a player has no clue that it was duped shouldn't be bannable.
    Ban the dupers instead.
     
  24. Im not event talking about buying dupe or non dupe and all that.

    What I am saying is there are so many barbed kits at 2.5 million you can buy a 4 or 5 a month and after a year have 60 or so.

    You bought them legit. Over time.

    But if someone were to look in my chest theyd say 60 barbed kits. DUPER.

    If you dont play a merchant you might not know the plethora of stuff on vendors inside and outside luna.
     

  25. Well what I am saying is what if you buy 1 valorite a month then.
    Thats not unreasonable.

    In a year you have 12 sitting in your box.

    Is that bannable?
     
  26. Experimental

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    Jeremy said at Town hall that what they were looking for was not just a specific number but also a "pattern of behaviour". I guess that means a player is tracked and they look for how many hammers were bought as well as where and in what time frame, etc.
    I don't think this system would work either though, there's too many variables.
    My solution for myself was to just not buy anything from anyone.
    :/
     
  27. Just get to know the people you're buying from and stay away from Luna vendors unless you know the person that owns the vendor.
     
  28. Radun

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    I read what she said too, but what I want to know is what happens to anyone who buys the items crafted by duped runics...
    On one hand, abstaining from buying the items craftable by these items cuts players off all the high end equipment in the game.
    On the other hand, the people who buy these items are the one's reaping the actual gameplay benefits of the illegitimate reward.
     
  29. It Lives

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    Personally I turned in 157 peices of black rock and recieved 8 agapite runics, 2 +60 ash, 5 verite runics and dozens of gloves of the sun. The valorite runics are a different matter... just saying.
     
  30. Dermott of LS

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    Just want to add in a point...

    Price alone does not mean an item is legit or not. Just because something is sold at vendor A at two or three times the price as vendor B does not meaN that Vendor A is not duped and vendor B is duped.

    If you're looking at buying something that is supposed to be stupidly rare, do the homework first. If the drop rate is only one or two per year on a shard, then getting 2 or 3 a month is PROBABLY not a good idea.
     
  31. UOKaiser

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    Agreed ,also definetly research it though remmerber since the changes the 1 or 2 a year doesnt apply any longer and 1 or 3 a month would be a more up to date scenerio for dedicated crafter players. Plus take in account the merchants who buy as many runics in the shard and sell them at there vender for increase price or the transfer players who go to a shard or shards that sell them for cheaper buy them there transfer as many as they can from that shard then transfer them to a shard where the average price goes higher.

    If anybody wants to buy a high end item you have a limited choice on where to go as the luna shopping area or on some shards tokuno area are really you're best options. Sure the person can look through the boondocks for days on end and if extremly lucky there would be a vender out there selling high end items.

    As it has being said theres no way to tell from a hammer thats being aquired through duping or a hammer aquired through legitamit means. We can't tell, EA can't tell. Though if you want to buy one or 2 to make youre own equipment go ahead. If you want to buy to sell well there already doing that already.
     
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    I'd also add in, if you're looking at a known duped item that can be obtained through gameplay, but is being duped anyway, then it's probably safer to attempt to obtain said item through gameplay and NOT via vendors.

    The current market if high end goods just seems to risky to me right now and as you outline in your post, X-Sharding hasn't helped the situation either.

    Any top end runic (gold and above, barbed, heartwood), I'd personally recommend trying to get one through gameplay, not a player run vendor... it may suck to put in the work, but it's a LOT safer that way... at least until the issue at hand is solved.
     
  33. UOKaiser

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    Very true unfortunetly that would force a playstyle that other people might not enjoy. For example pvp character prefers to only pvp though has a blacksmith or a person in his guild has a blacksmith and wants a suit for his character so he can compete. Unfortunetly the pieces to this suit he wants are not for sale and he or she doesnt want to waste his time doing something he hates so he goes out buy a runic and give it to his blacksmith or his guildmate blacksmith to try to get the piece needed for his suit. He knows its a gamble but at least it will only take his funds and 15min of his play time.

    This goes for everybody that hates running crafters, bod runners or anything that has to do whith that playstyle. The opposite is reverse a player who enjoys crafting and pvm but hates pvp wouldnt want to go to champ spawns to get power scrolls so he goes out and buy it from characters who enjoy that aspect of the game.

    In a years time more runics will be in the market and become even cheaper. Duping just made that price plummet in a very short time. The market will fluctuate back up now that the dupe being solved but as more runcs come into the market the price will start going lower but luckly in a much slower rate.

    Though like dermontt said the only way to make sure is to make it youre self but if you try to sell it it falls into could be could not be category no way to tell. Ea making people unsure pretty much finally found a way to nerf merchants. They were able to nerf rare collecters and every skill proffession there is the only one they had trouble with was merchants now they found a way :)
     

  34. Well that time frame is what I am talking about. That would be interesting. Lets face it. Over a year we can buy a lot. Your solution though effective, is just sad.
     
  35. pavel.vesely

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    If we do not trade, why are we playing MMO game? Nobody can self-support herself with every resource there is in UO, day has only 24 hours and you have to sleep too.
     
  36. hawkeye_pike

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    They wouldn't call you a DUPER. But they probably would say that you knowingly supported dupers. Which is just as bad as duping itself.
     
  37. Well thats the problem.
    Maybe I got lucky and bought them from legit players. (just kidding)

    Well what about buying gems.
    Im sure ill have 100k of each of the less demand ones by SA. Am I supporting scripters.

    Clarity Clarity Clarity.

    Whats the point of having merchants if we need to guess how much we can amass over a year.

    Ah well. Just for thought.
     
  38. Gheed

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    Actually what few folks realize is that you can fill non-exceptional iron BODs with stock purchased from npcs. I have roughly two accounts with .01 mules and collect their iron small then fill them with npc stock at a fraction of the price it would cost to mine/make them myself. Once I'm at 300 or so low end deeds (usually shields) I use my npc smith runebook to recall around and fill them. I even have a good UOA macro that fills them for me. It goes pretty fast.

    I was doing about 1000/week when I was motivated. I havent for some time but here are my results after testing the latest BOD drop rate change:

    [​IMG]

    So from the above roughly 25% of the BODs I turn in can be refilled using NPC stock. Even with the changes the yield on verite/val runic producing BODs is quite small. Through all of this I was getting to know other folks working hard at BODs as well. If I stuck with it I could see myself legitimately getting at least one Verite hammer/month. But I would make much more gold in powders and bronze-agapite runics.
     
  39. Budweiser

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    Just so you know they didn't script away. it was a dupe of the BOD it's self...you can script 100 bod accounts and i don't think you can get the amount of hammers they had. dupe the BOD over and over and bingo!!
     
  40. Setnaffa

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    This has been known for a long time. Check out the Crafter Forum.

    I've been doing it since the BOD turn in change.
     
  41. Setnaffa

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    QFT. Or just dupe the hammer.
     
  42. Gheed

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    It may have been known for a long time and you may have been doing it for a long time. Still, I used to post my progress in my above listed chart in the smith forum (before the stratics melt down). I got many pm's from here and made several crafing friends in game that did not know they could do that. They were mining the iron to do it themselves. Most of these folks I met while they were picking up the deeds I tossed. Since they were deeds that used too many resources and the reward was not worth it to me...I figured the lion's share fo the people that picked them up to be new..so I would strike up a conversation to realize they were new at BOD filling.

    Point is they were new to the process. Some of them didn't even know stratics existed. So few folks realize this that I came across in my journeys in game as a crafter. Thanks for the advice though. I usually tell most other folks (whom I meet and do not know about the NPC BOD filling tidbit or Stratics crafting forumns) the same thing.