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Vet Rewards Value (?)

Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by Guardian KX, Oct 19, 2011.

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  1. Guardian KX

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    A 1st year vet reward (of a Soul stone) is currently valued at 2-4 million.

    A 3rd year ethy mountable is valued at 100-300k.

    A commodity box is valued at 1-2 million.

    Statues (reguardless of type or year) have been going for 50k lately.

    Discuss please the values, in your opinion, of vet rewards on Siege P. Please also consider how your not "Ripping someone off" by offering them 300k for a mount and NOT 1 or even 2-4 million for the transaction. Is it morally correct to buy a deed box for 300k, resale it for 2 million, then buy a Soul Stone with the profit?

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  2. TheDrAJ

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    Sounds like good business to me
     
  3. Symma

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    Not sure where you got the value for the 1st Year Reward Soulstones... seeing as they're not tradable... at least mine wasn't when i claimed it...

    But I wouldn't pay more for than 1 million for a commodity deed box. Its a very useful item, like the portals, and it pays for itself in its use.

    300k for a 3rd year mount is a good price. Sure, it could be higher but the actual age needed is a restriction. Smaller market hence. Chargers sell for around 1 million because ANYONE can use.

    Not sure why you bring morality into this. This is a video game. I would frown upon it if the person had used under hand tactics to get the cheaper Comm Deed Box. But if it was brought from a vendor or a player asked for 300k then its not an issue. I'd buy a Deed Box off a vendor and re sell. But I wouldn't use under-hand tactics and bully someone into selling.

    The pricing is fine.
     
  4. kelmo

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    First year soul stone vet reward choices do not equate to a soul stone token. They are not the same thing.
     
  5. Black magick

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    By this logic every vet reward should be worth the same as (or in the ball park of) a soul stone. What would lead you to such a conclusion?
     
  6. Czarina

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    I agree on the comm box. The soulstone to me would be hard to put a price since i was under the assumption that they were untradeable also. As for the ethys I would totaly jump on a 100k one and resell it with ease for 300k. Although ive been known to sell the ostard one at 150k quit often.

    Now in my opinion 10th yr vet rewards could and should fetch a higher price rate due to the lack of them on siege. Also all of the 10th yrs have great use to them.

    Props on your post tho guardian. But keep in mind all sales are in the eyes of the buyer/seller.
     
  7. Elmer Fudd

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    Still the coolest chick playing siege....IMHO......lol
    Cmon CZ, if I didnt compliment you who would? King Ed......LMAO
     
  8. Guardian KX

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    A Soul Stone is A Soul Stone is A Soul Stone... If you want to buy a soul stone from someone in-game your gonna pay 2-4 million. If your a (average) shard vet then your gonna own a few and you have 3 (real) choices: Choose a SS as a reward, recieve one from someone else in-game (via token or code), or pay RL cash and get the codes yourself (plus I'll add .01% IDOC and add the word "real" to choices). So based on either choosing one yourself OR getting one from someone else the value still stays the same. If you decide to keep the reward and BUY a SS from someone else, then in truth, you value the reward choice as MORE than 2-4 million. Just because this one item is free to you and can only be used by you DOES NOT MAKE IT WORTHLESS AND OF NO VALUE. Based on peoples value/no value opinion that would take both items, merge thier cost, and make SS's worth 1-2 million... And who's gonna step up and make that statement? (responce to Kelmo)

    And just because its a screen your looking at and a pixel with typing above its icon doesn't make it any less of a RL person sitting behind the other screen. Gameplay doesn't have anything to do with honest sales or trades. Morality has EVERYTHING to do with it. When the noob offers you a SS for 1 million, thats when YOU decide whats moralistic. 3 times in the past I corrected them on the price, gave them 2 million, and I swear that extra gold kept them around a little longer... or at least gives them something to start with again if they come back. (responce to Doive)

    I agree on your conclusion about the confusion (hehe). I'm simpley asking if the value should be based on the CHOICE and not the ITEM. Before SS's we had it easy with a 100k per year value. Welp... SS's immediately screwed that up. (responce to Black magick)

    Love you no matter what CZ. (responce to Czarina)
     
  9. Czarina

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    You make a great point on that guardian. But heres my words to speak! lol Okay if you are new to siege and have vet reward choices and just want to claim them to make some gold. Some items do have a higher value rate then other items. I know many a new player that has claimed comm deed boxes because of thier high value or claimed more sought after rewards with even higher values and managed to buy 2 legacy tokens outta the one reward choice they claimed. Legacy tokens are in abundance, vet rewards are not. Before anyone chooses a soulstone as thier reward i opt that they first try to find one thru other means and save that reward choice for something else.
     
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    I'll sell at the prices I want. Other people will sell at the prices they want.

    If they like my prices they will buy. If they don't like my prices they'll not buy. The same goes for me looking at other vendors.

    If someone else feels something is morally wrong about a price, then they need to stop playing the game. More important 'moral issues' to worry about. Voting with your feet, and bank box, is the best thing to do.

    For example. One vendor is selling the Gauntlets of Virtue Bane for 3 Million in New Mag right now. I don't agree with the price but I won't get angry. I'll just ignore it.

    If someone is being hassled and bullied into selling cheap is what people should look for and stop. But that rarely happens.
     
  11. Czarina

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    I check that vendor multiple times a day. Ive voiced my concern over a couple things but that was just pointing out my opinion. I really wish i had bought them tinker legs before they sold!!
     
  12. Freelsy

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    Don't forget that mounts have been in the game since what, 2001? There are a lot more ethy mounts than the new commodity deed box. Also, since siege is so skill deprived (only one char) soul stones are very valuable and their value remains constant. Last year when I was playing the stones were selling for 3mill a pop. Hell, 3 years ago when the population was a boomin they were 3mill. This also has to do with the fact that you can buy them, so their price will not raise.

    I believe the old base price was 100k per year. With the exceptions being the house teleporters and comm deed box. Do
     
  13. kelmo

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    I disagree completly with the above statement as it makes absolutly no sense. A soul stone vet reward is worth nothing to anyone it is not bound to.

    A token has a value of what ever EA store charges for it and is usable by any.

    I have no idea why you are torturing this bit of logic but it seems shameful. A token and a vet reward are not the same thing.
     
  14. Razz

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    Agree

    Soulstones can't be in the same braket at the rest of the vet rewards because you can get also them from UOgamecodes, unlike all the other vet rewards. So UOgamecodes pretty much dictates the price of the SS.

    This also makes the SS cost more in game because people would rather buy from UOgamescode because of the unlimited supply as opposed to using up a limited amount of vet rewards.

    Personally I think 100k per year is cheap, 200k would be more like it. Your looking at 1 to 2 vet rewards per year. Thats not a lot of supply imo
     
  15. Guardian KX

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    Then when you sell your reward choice for 300k to help someone get a mount, WHAT are your choices for a SS when you want one??? You'll go and BUY one for 1.7 too 3.7 million MORE than the choice you gave away. Again the value of the stone stays the same... 2-4 million. Theres always the choice of no SS of course, but as I pointed out, YOU WANT ONE and now must decide what your gonna do. Bottom line is the SS is bound to YOUR account in the end and is valueless to anyone else. Your trying to place a value on the avenue to get the SS... THE VALUE IS THE BOTTOM LINE - THE SOULSTONE YOU WANTED FOR YOUR ACCOUNT. If I choose too pay you 300k FOR A CHOICE, then Ill take all your offering. I want SS's bound to your account for 300k a pop so I can trash them and make a further point.

    Anyone thats thinking I'm insain to want to do this gives further credit to my point. Your most likely shaking your head thinking im stupid for buying deco at 300k a pop. Or your thinking anyone thats stupid enough to sell a SS bound to YOUR account for 300k makes no since and they'd be stupid to do so. WHY am I so off par for wanting to purchase a reward item for 300k but YOU decide its a stupid sale cause I want a SS with YOUR name on it. DAMN, wouldn't everyone want a statue with the words "owned by Kelmo" on it with maybe "120 Magery" also. Then you have to ask whats a SS bound too your account with 120 magery on it worth. Welp... SS's gonna cost you 2-4 mill too replace, whats the value of saving you week(s) of work as well?

    It comes down to what the value of the choice is, not the ITEM. If you sell me a comm box for 1 million, and when your about the choose a box and I say instead "choose a SS, I want it for Deco", you shouldn't have any issues with it. OR a statue, or a mount, or ANYTHING.

    Its easy to place a value on some item you have sitting in a container, but as im trying to point out, what is the value of the CHOICE?
     
  16. Symma

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    Geez, its like Rosas in general chat. I feel a migraine coming on...

    I just want to say that Vet Rewards were introduced to reward loyal customers.

    This is making a meta-game out of a simple vet reward system. Migraine... coming... on...
     
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    going by this logic there's no reason ever to claim rewards other than soulstones and teleporter tiles, as they arent worth as much.

    The logic is false though, for instance, I have a few pending vet rewards still that I havent spent, and have no want to spend them on soulstones, I have nearly 10 per account now and have no real need for more so to me soulstones no longer have value.

    There's also the fact that not everything in game comes down to value, some of us actually play UO to have fun.
     
  18. Tina Small

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    I still don't have much gold on Siege. However, I have a few accounts that I was able to raid for vet rewards, although none of them are old enough for stuff like the ankh that rezzes you or the teleporter tiles that don't need spell scrolls.

    In order to get myself going on Siege, I ended up buying seven soulstones, five sets of the chargeable teleporter tiles, one Charger of the Fallen, one Pen of Wisdom, one Undertaker's Staff (have used it myself 2X and loaned it out a few times), and one hitching post. I've claimed four commodity deed boxes, five crystal portals, four corrupted crystal portals, two ethy mounts, one leather dye tub, one rune dye tub, one black dye tub, one special dye tub, one metal dye tub, one furniture dye tub, and one tree stump. Other than the two ethy mounts, I basically took the approach of buying stuff from EA when I could and supplying myself with the vet rewards I needed from my own accounts instead of trying to buy them in-game with gold that I just flat out didn't have and most likely will never really have in abundance.

    I have one unclaimed eight year reward and four rewards for I think it's years five and six coming up in the next two months or so. I honestly don't know what to use those for. Maybe another tree stump and hang onto the rest, as none of my accounts is really that old in comparison to everyone else's. Kinda just waiting to see what is added as new vet reward choices this year, if the developers ever get around to doing another publish. But, to get back to the point of this thread, I think it will be many more years before I feel like I have vet rewards to spare to claim something just to sell it to someone else to make some extra gold. It is easier for me as a newcomer to Siege to just pay cash to EA to buy what I can from them rather than try to farm up enough gold to buy the items in-game from someone else. I realize a lot of other folks are in a different situation, but that's the way things have turned out for me as someone who hasn't played as long as most but has a few open accounts to mess around with.
     
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  20. Heavenless

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    I'd pay 2-4 million gold for KX to get spell check :D
     
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    Some of us played for fun more than profit.
    Vet rewards are whatever someone is willing to pay for them,
    and their usefulness to whomever is interested in buying them,
    IF they can afford them.

    Something that is a 1 yr. vet reward yet quite useful, may be priced more.
    Also the factor that in order for a 13 or 14 yr. vet
    to actually waste a reward,
    that they have coming that is so much older,
    to claim a com. box deed
    or crystal portal.
    Probably, they should only bother
    to blow that lower reward on themselves,
    unless they have a ton of uo accts. !

    One can get more gp sellin 12 yr. vet tiles *maybe*
    but easier for folks to just buy those in their alternative form
    via buyin off of EA for the ones, that use gate scrolls.

    Regardless, no matter what the vet rewards are,
    they are only worth what folks are really able or willing to pay for them.

    IF someone wishes to buy a mere choc. chip cookie for a Neiman Marcus price....um go for it !!
    And someone no doubt will charge a Neiman Marcus price for said mere choc. chip cookie, or soulstones or ethers, or whatevers !!
    And someone will BUY whatevers for whatever prices too high or low.

    Yall can shop Siege Perilous Neiman Marcus'es if ya wish.

    Me I will shop the Walmarts or even JC Penny's etc. out there.

    A fool and their money sometimes are quickly parted !
    There are fair prices and then there are...
    'specialty shops' or those that think they are whom label themselves as such.

    But, ya gonna pay more for
    a dorky choc. chip cookie
    at Neiman Marcus...tis a fact.

    And it up to each of you, what you are willing to PAY or CHARGE for anything.

    We can become like every other shard too,
    just keep uppin them prices yall till,
    we finally get there,
    becoming like other fubared economies in UO, on other shards !
    Up to yall what prices ya ask, buy, or sell at.

    Can't control anyone else's pricings.
     
  22. Czarina

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    What style of store does my shop usualy fall under? I try to be the payless that sells without the corporation style of walmart lol
     
  23. wavace

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    5 mill. Any Highur Biddurz?
     
  24. Heavenless

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    Me reads bookies for my vocabustablery...5.1 mill and a library token!! :scholar:
     
  25. wavace

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    Yew drove a hurd bargin sur. Eye aint shure if eye can affurd dat.
     
  26. kelmo

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    Knock it off.
     
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