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VET REWARDS

Discussion in 'UHall' started by azmodanb, Apr 17, 2015.

  1. azmodanb

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    So I don't know if this has been brought up or has been beaten to death.

    But there seems to be a boat load of unwanted ... Dropping in price... Wasted vet picks .. That used to be cool that lost value with better robes and cloaks.. Etc

    How do you all feel about a turn in... Or a point value on trashed vet items that are just lingering around?

    By turn in i mean turn in vet items for a Another pic of the same year .. Or two.... Three... Four... Five... To one. I don't know.

    Or a clean up value on such items.

    They seem to be dropping value. And of course no one tosses them... They just gather dust.

    Any thoughts?
     
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  2. Andrasta

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    I think this is a great idea. A trade in like 2 x 2 year for a 4 year!
     
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    Seems like a good idea to me. Alternatively, give more functionality to the less valuable rewards. For example have my blaze robe act as a warmer in the winter, or perhaps my lich statuette could give me foot rubs. But in all seriousness, there is a marked difference between useless, low value rewards, and highly valuable rewards, and the difference lies mainly in their functionality. Honestly I don't have any function ideas off the top of my head but I'm just throwing that out there.
     
  4. hen

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    I gave all mine away on a free gift vendor. Now they are gathering dust in someone else's chests.
     
  5. Smoot

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    id take advantage of it myself, whether it would be good or not im not so sure. vet rewards already have a hard time keeping value as it is, it would just devalue the new ones. which is fine i suppose but is one of the last "perks" of actually haveing a vet account.

    im really against all the freebie systems as you know, alot of life could have been pumped back into the game if focus were taken off vet rewards and free stuff from trash and put back into bosses / drops / challenging content.
    solution: boss that requires a vet reward to be used as a key (destroyed) to enter.
     
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  6. MalagAste

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    I believe they have brought this up before and Mesanna said NO. However I'm with you. I have NO idea how many of the old robes, cloaks and stuff I have laying around that will NEVER be used... NO one gives a **** about the physical resist really. It's a junk reward anymore. Sure it was once a status symbol but it's pretty much just a space waster now. No one would actually "choose" that as a reward anymore and older vets who did get them eons ago wish they could have the pick back for something "useful" truth is years ago there just wasn't anything worth picking and you felt obligated to get something rather than just have the rewards sit there. Honestly I don't think anyone considered that the game would still be going 15 years after they picked a stupid robe/cloak..... or even imagined you could actually get a useful item like a soulstone or the commodity deed box.

    I would love to get rid of about 5 or 10 silly statues and get some of the ones I don't have rather than having 10 to 15 skeltons, liches and dragons.

    They could at LEAST give us a robe with something useful on it. How about taking the robes and giving them 5% SSI or 5% SDI or 2MR or 2SR.... a person could "chose" which to have and it could work like it does now drop the robe in a box make the choice of what style to get and have it give you that back... So turn and old robe into a new dress with 5% SDI or something.
     
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    You are right, it has been brought up many times in the past and Mesanna has never flat out said "no" she just side-steps the matter and says nothing. A lot of us has fought for this for years and the suggested rate was 1/2 point per year turn in value.
     
  8. flappy6

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    I'm pretty sure she said NO,right along with new castle designs for a vet reward,right along with colored dragons,right along with a clockwork crafted machine gun....wait I just made that one up hehe
     
  9. azmodanb

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    With ya on that... I would not wanna de value anything.

    I like ur key idea that would remove them QUICK lol.

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    Maybe give the traded in versions a replica tag.. Or dur .. Or something.. Or make them account bound.

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    Hell even clean up points heh.

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  10. Modoc

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    This is a Great idea but please allow me to put my spin on it. Turn them in for maybe a tool that could add a Prop. maybe 2 to be applied to Vet Clothing and/or other Vet items. I think this would make some Old Vet Items at least usable.
    Just a slightly Beer Enhanced Idea. :pint:
     
  11. popps

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    Exchanging multiple lower years unused and devalued Veteran Rewards for higher years more wanted Veteran Rewards will only end up in having also those higher years Veteran Rewards get devalued as well since they will become obviously way more common and thus less valuable.

    No thanks.

    The one change needed to Veteran Rewards would be to reinstate the top year Veteran Reward and not stop at 15 Years as it is now.
    We are approacing to 18 Years Veteran Reward and, frankly, to have an account that has been active for 18 Years be equalized with one that is 15 Years seems punishing customers' loyalty rather then valueing it....

    I can only imagine when Ultima Online reaches 20 Years how will those Veteran players feel to know that their 20 Years old account is as valued as a 15 Years old one, 5 years less..... this is just not fair, IMHO.
     
  12. Aurelius

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    Maybe give them a decent, sensible value for something like the Blackthorn items turnin, so we can choose if we want to keep them or change them for more useful things. No increase in the availability of 'desirable' older reward picks, but a choice to do something with items that for many people are just taking up storage space.
     
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    I love that idea, would absoutely trade my old worthless vet rewards for some of the new things these days. (has chest full of 1st year monster statuettes)
     
  14. Smoot

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    i dont think it would destroy the value, after all, people would turn in the lower ones to actually use the better, newer, or more attractive ones. yes, people would also turn in the lower rewards to profit off the higher ones, but this would also increase the value of the old to slightly less than than the percentage of trade in value to the higher.

    so, say if it takes 10 bronze cloaks to turn in to get a corrupted crystal portal (currently around 10mil) id expect the value of the bronze cloaks to cap out at around 800k each (20% profit margin). yes higher reward price would go slightly down, frankly id rather reward returning players for the full amount rather than reward hoarders / opportunists for "investing" in low rewards, but i dont think the price would plumet on the new ones.
     
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    I need this so bad!! came back to game and used like 10 rewards for soul stones on a 1 charc account to raise some cash, I forgot they were acct bound :>)
     
  16. Olahorand

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    Why not add the capability for some classic vet reward items (especially clothing and statues) to take over the properties of another ingame item of the same class without changing the graphics, the name and the blessed status (and maybe retains the current property like the 3 physical resist of the robe)?
    So you could have a vet reward robe which has the same properties as Conjurers garb + 3%. Maybe this mirroring would consume the mirrored item in the process.
    Or the Lich statuette could give luck like the 10th anniversary statue or boost some other skill/status for a limited amount of time during double click.
    Put all vet reward tubes together into a mixer, which takes one lockdown and allows all colors from those tubes to be selected without extra dyes.

    Trade in could give points per item age class, so the newer rewards would not be devalued that much - since you can trade 2 or 3 of your one year robes only against another one year reward (soulstone or whatever you may need), the 3 year robe against all which comes as reward for 1, 2 or 3 years.. (Of course, given that some 1st year rewards are also such new stuff, a bit tricky.)

    *Salute*
    Olahorand
     
  17. Warpig Inc

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    Just need a new turn in point for vet rewards only. And there would be unique reward choices from the turn in to not devalue the current picks.
     
  18. Swt Lippy Hippy

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    Too bad they cant use the idea they have in moonglow to switch vet rewards for same year vet reward choices.
     
  19. popps

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    They could be used as Turn Ins for the Clean Up Britannia rewards giving a good many points or, as you said, as turn ins for the Blackthorn items.
     
  20. popps

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    What's this Moonglow switching thing ?
     
  21. Assia Penryn

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    There is a box in Moonglow that allows you to change the style of the vet clothing of the same color... so you can change a bronze cloak to a bronze gargish robe, etc.
     
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    Really a great idea here, with a little tweeking of course!...
    reminds me of the Treasures of Tokuno turn ins. Turn in X amount of lessers and you get your choice of a greater. Could work the same kinda way for vet rewards!

    Love it!!:)
     
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    :oops:Terrible idea, nice desire but all it would mean is players who have horded TONs of low level crap from IDOS and such will just upgrade them to sell.:twak:

    :hahaha:I know this games economics or so far gone it really doesn't matter anymore but it is PATHETIC that someone is or has sold a Hell Hound Ethy for 125 mil.:next:

    :banana:How about we work at making the game more viable and play worth something other than just gold sinks for greedy players :danceb:

    I would agree to this if only the converted item became account bound. :facepalm:
     
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    Too many people like this idea, so there for it cant and wont happen. Nothing that we want gets changed and everything we never asked for gets nerfed.
     
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    There aren't enough worthless vet rewards to make it worth while....tokuno Artie's worked cause you could farm them for fun and profit.....adding the items to Brit clean up would be the easiest fix.

    What would really rock would be allowing them to be turned in to retrieve a different reward.......but oh I can hear the whining already from the vets that never claimed anything for years...... Lol
     
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    I think the point here seems to be missing..."supporting one person's idea for a trade-up system of unwanted vet rewards"
    Not , how many vet rewards one person views as worthless.......
     
  27. Val'lyn De'ana

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    Not to de-rail this thread but do the Treasures of Tokuno lessers drop any more?

    -Val'lyn
     
  28. Keith of Sonoma

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    Not to my knowledge.
     
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  29. MalagAste

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    No ToT has not been turned on for a long time.

    As for having Vet rewards I have over 100 of them that are just sitting in chests and won't ever be used or sold or displayed. Don't know what to do with them.... they aren't worth points they aren't worth putting on a vendor... I feel bad just tossing them in the trash... so there they sit in a chest. And I'm sure that there are 100's of other vets who have the same problem.

    It's like how over the years I am not sure how or why but I now have like 10 sets of dye tubs for Leather, Furniture, and Black tubs. NO idea what to do with them. Don't want to toss them.... so there they sit.
     
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    If this means more sheep statues, tree stumps, mining cart deeds, seed boxes, Davies' Locker and other useful vet rewards would become available in vendors, I would be all for it.
    There are people like me out there that started late and has no hope to actually claim most of those items, because we aren't sure UO will be around for another 6 or so years...
     
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  31. Lord Frodo

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    Kind of sad when rants and raves go on forever and good posts like these die in a few days or has it gotten to the point that alls we do is scream hard to clear our heads at the state of UO and then log on and play.
     
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    I solved the problem regarding what to do with vet rewards (obviously not a solution for everyone). I gave away my house and everything in it. And one day, if they ever introduce a livable gypsy wagon for players, I may return and travel my beautiful shard again, free of the need for many possessions. :)
     
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    ive asked mesanna but the answer was no. the reason I asked is the dev have introduced items in game that have made my picks more or less worthless, cloak/robes ect. . I feel so stupid that I used picks and now there's some good stuff. if the devs did do a vet reward turn in, it should be 20, 50 or more for one. I would just like something good for my wasted picks lol
     
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    guess I need to hit the venders and buy up any vet rewards collecting dust before anything gets announced :p
     
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    If you don't like the robes, then don't pick them.

    If you picked some robes 10 years ago or whatever and now you're mad that eventually better items got added to the system down the road then... LOL basically.
     
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    No what people are upset about is the fact that other rewards were added to the first year selection and now if a players that has been here forever has to use a high value pick to get it, Sorry you weren't here when the reward system came in but we shouldn't be required to pay high year selection for soulstones like the younger players get to do.
     
  37. MalagAste

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    What would it hurt or who would it hurt if we had some sort of exchange of 10 items or 20 items for a new reward pick?
     
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    All the people that say Shard Shields are overpowered because they haven't been here for ages to get them or have there friends leave UO and give them everything or hit an IDOC. Just make it where each year is %25 of it value so 4 1st to get a first, 4 2nd or 8 1st to get a 2nd and no they do not go on your paperdoll vet reward menu you pick it same place you turn it in.
     
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    Go buy one then?
     
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    I think there should be added "benefit" for veteran players when picking low year rewards, for example you have one vet reward pick left. You can either choose one 15th year reward, or 3 rewards of your choice from years 1-10. It would allow vet players to get more out of their high level vet picks without damaging the ability of low year accounts to claim the same vet rewards.
     
  41. Lord Frodo

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    Why should we have to, you didn't. But that is ok we understand totally where you are coming from. Don't do what is right for the game or anything like that.
     
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    Been playing since before Trammel. Have one vet reward pick free. Would actually really like some crystal portals. I just don't think I necessarily need to be able to turn in some crappy robes that cost 150k to get them.

    Why is it that like 75% of everyone who posts here...

    1) Has played forever
    2) Has apparently never made any gold that whole time
    3) Pretends it's because they're too cool to care about pixel crack
    4) Screams about all the stuff they want anyway
     
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    Yeah either turn in for more rewards, lots of clean up points or make the vet clothing be imbuable. The higher the year the more intensity you can imbue
     
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    Yes, make them imbueable!