First I want to say to KAT and Elmer, that I want you two to know I have nothing against either one of ya. I really don't know ya. I do see you posting on the forum a bit and you both stick up for your guilds which is great. That is what I was doing by sticking up for the alliance of JSV that we just joined up with. And Elmer from what I have heard you have been around UO from damn near the beginning. So you have seen many things come and go along with game plays and styles. So I can see your frustration. But have you and others forgotten how hard it is to build up since it was many years ago that you had to do it? I am playing a tamer template now out of necessity. Remember it takes time to build up on Siege and maybe people are playing tamers or templates most veterans dont feel worthy as pvpers just to survive? I am not playing my tamer to pvp. Just to be able to survive at this time. I just wanted to say to all the veteran's of siege. I have seen recently numerous posts on the board about people leaving for this reason or that reason. And people are starting to worry about the population of Siege. So if people are worried about Siege dying, what is the solution? I say it lies in the hands of the veteran's of Siege. The only way you are going to build up the population on Siege is to get new people to come over. I hear people say that hey, if a noobie gets killed then "Welcome to Siege" and if they leave because of that well good then. No that is not good. UO has been going on for like 10 years now right? I feel the makers of UO have done about what all they can do to keep the game alive this long. So it is up to the community of UO/Siege to make people want to play and continue to play Siege. These are just my thoughts and opinions.