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Vollems....

Discussion in 'UHall' started by jfkeach, Oct 7, 2009.

  1. jfkeach

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    There are the ones you get from crystal, and the ones you can craft with a tinker. There is a difference. The crafted ones do not allow you to heal them with magery or aids. You have to use a Tink repair deed, or get a tink to repair them. The other is you can not lore them with less than 110 Animal Lore.

    These are great pets, for warrior types, but if you can, get the ones from the crystals and train them up. The crafted ones are good body guards for mule chars.

    Thought i would point this out :)

    Training the crafted ones will be hard unless you are a tink and can heal them.
     
  2. JC the Builder

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    The Vollem given out for the promotion are hugely overpowered. They are as strong as a Nightmare and you don't need any Animal Taming to use them. I hope the developers have a big nerf coming in the next publish for them.
     
  3. EnigmaMaitreya

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    *Sigh*

    And so it begins.

    Anything one does not use or like is always Hugely Over Powered and can 1 hit kill anything in the game and take no damage.

    Like Nightmares are an APEX PET.

    Wonder if it will ever dawn on the Nerfers that the ones that most likely benefit the most from these will most likely NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO HEAL THEM.

    Lets also make DARN SURE THEY TAKE AWAY THE ABILITY TO RIDE THEM ... Oh wait that is already in so NO RIDING THE Vollems.

    Lets also make DARN SURE THEY SLOW THEM DOWN SO THEY CAN NOT KEEP UP WITH A MOUNTED PLAYER ... Oh wait that is already in.

    Lets also make DARN SURE THEIR RESISTS ARE LOWERED TO THE MID 50's OR LOWER ... Oh wait that is already the way it is.
     
  4. Alezi

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    How about explo flame 70% of hp gone poof.
     
  5. Maplestone

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    The promotional tokens are the original living creatures, the tinkered ones are copies.

    They are indeed dramatically different, most notably in that the living ones can be resed.
     
  6. JC the Builder

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    What, so you think every character being able to run around with two Nightmares without needing Animal Taming and Animal Lore to control them is a good thing?

    It is pretty obvious that they are in needing of some serious nerfing.
     
  7. EnigmaMaitreya

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    :)

    The only thing obvious is you don't have them or put them on a tamer and now you want to share the misery.

    You premise the argument as though a NIGHTMARE a ride able mob is some how a terror on 4 legs.

    You are living in the past by what 10 years? UO nightmares are only slightly less of a joke than the reptalon. And needs some big brother to make it effective, like a Rune Beetle or something.
     
  8. Mook Chessy

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    *calls PETA to report pet abuse*

    You my friend seem to have an unnatural love for these suckers, should we be worried?

    All kidding aside, the nerf will be here just about when everyone has them trained up and the game it filled with them.

    Should have called them Tribbles because they will soon be everywhere!

    Just say to no to pets without taming!!
     
  9. Tom_Builder

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    LOL, and nightmares were already nerfed to hell and back. So whats the big deal?? If I had one wish for UO it would be to axe all the people crying "NERF".

    OFF WITH THIER HEADS!!

    BTW I dont even know what a Vollem is, but leave them be anyhow!!

    Tom
     
  10. JC the Builder

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    I've got two in Crystals. If they don't end up being nerfed they are going on one of my PVP characters.

    Everyone complains about tamers being overpowered but giving everyone two Nightmares to PVP with is A-Okay.
     
  11. JPDefault

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    They come with promotional tokens in a finite number, so I hope the game won't get filled with them so easily (I have seen three - including mine - since SA launch).
    I trained mine up to 75% magery, GM anatomy, GM tactics, GM meditation and it still gets killed by a single Lich if I don't heal it continuously (happened twice this week). Will people spend 39$ just to have one of these?
     
  12. EnigmaMaitreya

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    :)

    Oh God yes, please give those PvPr's Greater Dragons in a Bottle to pull out when needed. :thumbsup:

    Perhaps then they will cannibalize themselves and leave everyone else alone. :pint:

    Seriously, these things are made for the PvP crowd and they are most certainly anti-tamer (as in Tamer Killer) pets.
     
  13. Lynk

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    I kinda like the vollems for spawn type settings.

    Their damage output is pretty minimal, no burst dmg, but over time they do alright.

    I used both of my crystals on one character and I try to use them in field fights, but they really aren't practical due to the slow speed.
     
  14. jfkeach

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    I have three from crystals, and two crafted. They are going to be body guard pets. I have 4, no, make that 5 tamers now, so I wont really use them except in emergency
     
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  16. always cry babies asking for a nerf.
    Beetles-nerfed
    greater dragons-nerfed
    forgot what else was over powered and babies cmplained and got nerfed.

    Who cares if stronger than a nightmare?
    This is a game.
     
  17. olduofan

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    if anything they need a huge bump they are to weak to slow and you cant ride them and any char with healing should be able to heal and res them . so much for a promo gift it sucks i was hoping my dexxer would finally have a decent mount not in UO swordsmen are the most nerffed
     
  18. The Fallout

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    There is NO need to nerf them at all.
     
  19. maroite

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    This post just goes to show that the people who cried nerf GD's have no concept of balance.

    I couldn't agree with JC more. Giving non ta mers access to a 96.4 tame required equivilent pet is rediculous! That the baseline you need to TAME a nigh tmare, NOT cont rol one. You need more taming, and more lore to be able to constantly cont rol one.

    If you don't agree then I reserve the right to question your sanity.

    The crystal vollums were not so rare as people may think. I think many p eople are holding on to theirs because they realize they are overpowered, and they want to see what changes are made to them before linking them to a char and not being able to transfer them. I don't know how many people I know who have like 7-9 acc ounts and said they upgraded them all to SA. Thats 7-9 crystal vollums on one person.

    The constructed ones are ok I guess, as they can't bond and are difficult to heal. The ones in the crystals are not the same. They instantly bond, and can be healed and ressed.

    I for one think that the crystal vollum is completely op. Its not about putting out dam age like a Greater Dragon, its the fact that on my stealth ar cher, I can have two of these to compliment my dam age. You can invis them and set nice little traps for people.

    Dismount + all kill with 2 nigh tmare like mobs on top of your char being a complete non tamer? The added da mage is ove rpowering, and a slap in the face to any tamer.
     
  20. It Lives

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    I agree With JC


    1. Anyone can use them (Anyone).

    2. Now picture gimpy Dex monkey(just an example) stomping your sorry explicative with the gimplate of the month and his new vollem.


    Why I don't agree with JC.

    1. Anyone can use them.
     
  21. maroite

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    Anyone can use a 96.4 taming equiv pet. 2 of them actually, if they have or can get two cry stals they can also be healed/ressed.

    You don't agree with JC because anyone can now have 2x 96.4 taming required pets, without having the required skill to in taming/lore to control them?

    Thats nice, I want a bow that I can use on my tamer that acts as if I have 96.4 archer/tactics for free too!
     
  22. Mitzlplik_SP

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    Finally .. something to take the heat off greater dragons and the tamer hate in general.

    Yay Vollems! :party:
     
  23. Xanth de Orlig

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    oO

    wish i had known this before i worked my fledgling gargoyle's lore and vet up!

    ahh well ... guess i have to add cooking now, so i can heal wounded horses and the such to good health before i make a meal of them ....

    that's right ... my garg eats horses ...

    they taste like big chickens ...


    /tangent

    back to the crazy uber garg cat controversy ...
     
  24. Basara

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    You know, theoretically, someone could kick your behind with a non-tamer, using a herd of 5 fully trained NORMAL ostards (not frenzieds). Or 5 swampies. Or other combinations of pets (I remember hearing about a guy, pre-SE, that went around hunting miner-killers with a pack of fully trained pack horses as bait). The vollems are relatively harmless - at worst, if anything is done to them, have then take up 3 slots to where people can't take two out at once, if they become a probem (but I don't think they would be).
     
  25. EnigmaMaitreya

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    It would be hard to convieve how they would be a problem for many of the reasons I have already stated.

    Now just to pile it on.

    My Elf Tamer has a deeper mana pool than these things do. And they are so slow that there just should NOT be any reason some one can not get away from them
     
  26. maroite

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    The same arguement can be made about Greater Dragons, yet constantly PvPers cry and whine about how OP they are. At least the slow part.

    Your elf tamer has a deeper mana pool than a nightmare then also.

    Also, Vollums use magery, and can paralyze/cast spells from range. Big difference from ostards and pack horses.
     
  27. EnigmaMaitreya

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    Yes, that is no surprise there My Elf Tamer does have a deeper Mana Pool than My Nightmare and as I said, the Nightmare (vs the original NON NERF'D VERSION) is only slightly less of a Joke than the Reptalon is.

    A Nightmare is a 2 slot ridable pet, The Vollems are a 2 Slot NON RIDABLE pet.

    And if it isn't clear, if some one sic'd one of these or a Nightmare on me, I would not be terribly concerned about it. Yes I would need to pay attention but it is hardly a game changer.
     
  28. maroite

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    You are completely missing the point. If someone sicked a nightmare AND a rune beetle on you, would you still consider it not a game changer?

    No one is going to just sick a vollum on you and do nothing else.

    The point is they're a 2 slot nightmare that requires NO taming. Ridable has nothing to do withit. Why? Because you can control 2 vollums and still be on an ethie.

    Yeah, if someone sicks a fully trained vollum on you, possibly no big deal. If someone sicks 2 on you, it could get hairy fast.

    If a stealth archer sicks two on you and then dismounts you and starts throwing heavy xbow bolts at you... What then? Just gonna chuckle and call it not game changing as the vollums flame strike you and the archer turns you into a pin cushion?
     
  29. Lythos-

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    I bought a few crystals off players before the promo went out just for this very reason.

    I personally don't get these threads. Before SA it was thread after thread about tamers too op so EA gives us our own pets to use on FULL templates...and people still aren't happy.

    As far as the vollems go, during combat they pretty much stay blessed giving them 40-50 str less than a cu sidhe. Melee attacks hit for 25min each. It's almost a 1 hit kill combined with a conc archer if everything hits.
     
  30. EnigmaMaitreya

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    I missed no point :)

    You have not made any that has any real credibility.

    Any one that is going to use a Rune Beetle (hello that requires Taming) is NOT going to use a Vollem. Oh my maybe a Nightmare because they are riding it but .... And as you may be clueless, if you can't kill the Tamer character then perhaps you need to go to PvP 101 untill you know how. Meaning Fine the Tamer sic's his Nightmare+Rune on you and you sic the Vollem on him now he needs to avoid the Vollem and if you have graduated PvP 101 then you should know you are FAR MORE able to survive the Nightmare+Rune that the Tamer is able to survive the Vollem.

    As to your 2 Vollem *Rolls Eyes* fine so the Stealth Archer is in combat vs his own peer. So yeah get a clue it is a NON GAME CHANGER. Because ALL THE NON TAMERS CAN HAVE TWO Vollem. Get it? :thumbup:

    If you took the time to analyze the tactics the only destabilization comes when a NON Tamer vs a Tamer anything else is Equal vs Equal OR ****** that refuses to change/adapt. :pint:

    I don't mean to be argumentative etc, I would think it immediately obvious that in PvP every NON TAMER can have two (and why would any Tamer want even one of these). If it isn't obvious, then stop and think about it. It makes them MOOT. Get it everyone can have two, the same number, the same capability. Get it yet?
     
  31. legendsguy

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    bottom line right here. tamers invest 200 skill points in this, but now everyone can get it for free. how would archers like it if mages got 100 archery + 100 anatomy for free? same concept.
     
  32. olduofan

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    GD still need a nerf and yes i have 1

    i dont think most tamers have ever tryed to ba a mage dexxer or any other class if they did they would see how over powered taming is i dont even use my tamer B/C its not much of a challenge sick GD on mob hide loot no damage and get the best loot and as far as having all this sword to specialize hunt do you really thing melee fighters want that hell having to carry and ins 5 super slayers all the time sucked now they nerfed that we have to go back to carrying 10 or more to go out hunting and they waer down very fast none stop repairs and most the time we don't even get to lot after dieing multiple times on a mob and we watch tamers do nothing and get the artys ya tammers need a major nerf
     
  33. The Fallout

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    No it is definitely not the same concept... mages can use a mage-wep weapon... that is the same concept and it isn't even a problem.
     
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    the difference between the vollem and the craftable vollems are:

    - craftable vollem need tinkering for heal it (and consume iron) and there is a huge cooldown between each try...
    - craftable vollem cannot be bonded
    - craftable vollem need a training work before use or it die pretty quick
     
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    The power of the Vollum is massively underestimated. I would say any dismounting archer still running a GD is flipping crazy. Its the casting rate of these beasts that kills. With imbuing the way it is now, everyone is running an ELITE heavy X-bow, with other complimentary bows to finish the job. Now add two Vollums to that and you've got a recipe for disaster. Heres how the story goes...

    All guard me, *hide*, dismount - pets automatically attack, constant casting of curse, poison, explosion, flamestrike. Ruins your smoke bomb and confidence. Evasion only lasts a few seconds. Archer is constantly beating you down with moving shot!! You just got WTF pwnd.
     
  36. jfkeach

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    My sammie is going to have fully trained lesser and a fully trained vollem on you all the while hitting you with his own blade (120 Fencing/Anat/Tactics/Parry/Resist/Bush). He might also be in Vamp form with the removal of the 24 hour cooldown on soul stones. He might be using a Bow instead of a blade. Or he might have GM Poisoning too.

    Red attacks sammie... i dismount you with lesser, summon vollem and have both attack. The three of us should be able to put you in the dirt unless you are really good or using hacks.

    I guess this might make me more likely to pvp more since even now with a tamer its hard to survive in Fel because of the almost insta deaths you face. I have the resources to outfit this guy with armor weps and skills to compete with reds. Should be a fun twist.
     
  37. Nerd. :lick:
     
  38. EnigmaMaitreya

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    Absolutely wrong period.

    Reality check here, Both go Out of Mana in 30 seconds.

    And you seem to mix the attacker and the defender as being one and the same.

    And you are probably speaking of a Miner or Fisher here as the victim.

    If not your 2 Vollem's are NOT going to kill me. And if you can Archer me to deat while running around hidden then it is hardly the fault of the Vollem's. And why the HELL DID YOU WHINE ABOUT TAMErS + GREATER DRAGONS BEING OVER POWERED IF YOU CAN SHOOT AND RUN WHILE HIDDEN AS IN NEVER BECOMING VISIBLE? :thumbsup:

    You just got to love the scenarios were people can stay totaly hidden and move as fast as .... regular .... people can. :pint: And what is the name of the hack/cheat?
     
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    Now everyone who complained about tamers can be one for free. It's reverse nerfing. :)

    Meanwhile, the majority of people are using them for an actual purpose, like getting to 10k loyalty on their crafter.
     
  40. Fink

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    I say GM Tinkers should be able to salvage a wrecked clockwork creature, and rebuild another around the core recovered. It would take the same skill loss that pets do. The core would have a 24-hour timer on it before it disintergrated, to prevent people storing cores as additional stabling.

    There's next to no value in training a clockwork in this environment of bonding & ressing. Even if you train it in total safety, a simple lag pocket can destroy it if you actually use it for hunting anywhere, anytime.

    Clockwork repairing needs adjusting, too. There isn't much you can set them on for any length of time before you need to pull back and wait out the repair delay. Throw in an Arms Lore/Item ID bonus for repairs and you have a supporting skill requirement to balance out the power-pet aspect.

    A few sensible adjustments would make these more than a novelty pet and see a return the the promise of the "technomage" era, without returning to the "twinks camping elder gazers with two golems and a packhorse" era.
     
  41. Myna

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    i didnt tried out mine yet but now i can see, hell, yes, they are way overpowered ...LOL

    maybe they should nerf liches instead
     
  42. Mook Chessy

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    I can get away from anything in the game, that is no the point! You should never be able to control one let alone two pets with Zero Taming!

    Wait until a dismount archer dismounts you, says all kill then runs you down with moving shot!

    Dexxer=Dexxer not tamer!!

    I like the replay asking for a bow for hit tamer lol!!
     
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    as are you sir, how else would you get the joke!


    btw second best movies of the year behind district 9!
     
  44. Mook Chessy

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    You have never actaully pvped have you??

    He is 100% correct, to allow a stacked out dexxer that amont of firepower is just wrong.

    Trust me it will be the template of the month as soon as everyone has them trained up!

    I will not argue with a person regarding pvp when said person has no concept of the craft!

    Next.....
     
  45. Lynk

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    I can't believe people are crying about these.

    They are so slow and their damage output is incredibly weak.

    The only thing they are good for is disrupts.

    Me and two other guildies did an EXP/FS synch on an opponents vollem and it died instantly.

    These are not a problem.

    And LOL at the guys talking about how a stealth archer with 2 vollems is godly. I'll let you in on a little secret, if anyone died to a dismount, and 2 vollems they aren't good and it wasn't an accomplishment.

    And hmm.. I see two vollems moving in the same direction that appear to be following something invisible. I'll just not stand right there, or ill paralyze them, or I'll just not suck at UO and out run them on foot because they are slow as hell.

    My other favorite was the dexer who said he will own people when he uses his lesser hiryu to dismount and then petball his vollem. lol yaokidontthinkso. You go ahead and spend 3 seconds summoning a vollem, I'll be the guy teleporting away and invising to mount my pet again.
     
  46. JC the Builder

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    Have you seen a trained Vollem? The fresh ones are not that special. Once you train them up to max skills they are a lot more dangerous.
     
  47. EnigmaMaitreya

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    In a word that is simple and easy for you to understand :thumbup:

    YES

    Yes as in I have.

    Your desire to exaggerate hardly constitutes an lack of knowledge on anyone's part.

    So you have your exaggeration, I have my experience. You go your way, I will go my way. :pint:May you troll some one else and fulfill your obsession with posters vs the issues.
     
  48. duderominus

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    Stay in school.
     
  49. Mitzlplik_SP

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    I think it all boils down to this....

    1. Peaple are stupid.


    The end.



    I hope the Devs look past this steaming pile of BS that is this thread and leaves Vollems the way they are. I`m sick of so called PvP`rs pissin and moaning about whatever the scapegoat is today instead of blaming the real reason....Incompetance.

    Crystal Vollems are great additions to the game. Any mule would love to have one.
     
  50. Lefty

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    This is a hilarious thread. So many dismount tamers yelling nerf. Now dexers and mages can stack damage on tamers LOL