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Warning: PoF on items exceeding 255 Durability

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Harb, Oct 24, 2008.

  1. Harb

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    Thumbs up everyone, if you use powder of fortification on anything with durability exceeding 255, doing so will revert the item to 255. I just tried to up my long loved DC demon slayer kryrss from it's "worn" state at 496 back to 510. It reverted to 255. Thanks dev, not just for the action, but the warning :(
     
  2. Well obviously the cap is 255 and yours was bugged, is there a reason i'm missing here that makes you think yours should be an acception?
     
  3. Harb

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    No sir not bugged at all. The reason many of us mined and crafted over all these years with dull copper was the ability to strengthen items via PoFs to 510 durability. It was the only advantage this material had. It worked with slayer weapons only, but despite giving away somewhat in terms of damage potential, you could use the weapons longer before repairs. So no, the cap was not 255 in all cases, this was a designed exception. But thanks for the condescending comment :)
     
  4. Hunter Moon

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    Well the Pub notes do have this clearly included:

    Crafting

    * Crafting with dull copper will no longer exceed the 255 durability cap
    * Skullcaps can now be crafted with a higher durability than 12

    But since that publish isn't active yet and it kind of sounds like future crafted items not existing, I have zero idea if this is the reason. Just a thought as to why even though it shouldn't affect anything other then TC at this point.

    Hunter Moon [HOT] Atlantic
     
  5. Dermott of LS

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    I was with you until here: It worked with slayer weapons only,.

    That alone implies that it was more of a bug than an intention... otherwise, it would have been a possible effect of a DC weapon gaining the double durability bonus (durability for DC + Durability rolled on the Runic) regardless if a Slayer mod were present or no.

    If you can show me where it was designed (i.e. patch notes) by the Dev themselves, then I'll agree... otherwise, it's either a bugfix or a rebalance depending on your viewpoint.
     
  6. Hunter Moon

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    I do know that if you powdered up a suit to 255 then enhanced it with dull copper afterwards it would go over 255. I know this because a very well known char use to wear his suit done like that at Brit bank all the time. I have no idea if it still works or even if there was anything else you had to do since I saw no real use in this and never tried it myself. He used it on a full 20% LRC each piece platemail suit with mage on it which he then dyed shadow after enhancing. I can't remember how high he could get them, but it seems like it was 365 or something. Haven't seen him in years, so again, no idea if it can even still be done or not.

    Hunter Moon [HOT] Atlantic
     
  7. Harb

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    Actually Dermott I am certain it was by design. AoS was one of the pushes I did closed testing for prior to release. We discussed it at the time between the handfull of us, QA and dev, it wasn't an accident. I did note that with p56 the ability to create items exceeding the 255 cap were being stopped. The reason for trying to give everybody else a thumbs up, is that not only did they make the change ahead of the publish, but they didn't say anything at all about existing weapons. In this case, I lost 241 points of durability as a result. This isn't to curse anyone, threaten accounts, or anything else, it's simply an effort to tell you guys not to make the same error!
     
  8. Maplestone

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    whoa - just hang on a second. What shard did you do this on? Pub 56 is only on TC1.
     
  9. Harb

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    Chessie. Just happened. Now, an aside, crafting a new weapon with a runic, using DC, will still get you as high as the original 360 durability - for now (slayers only, which can be 360/ 240/ or 120 randomly). I tired right after the durability decrease on my kryss just to see. Also, you can repair items above 255, and they function as always (repaired a 306/ 201 durability item to 305/ 305. Seems no matter how high your skill, you always loose a point of durability during repair nowadays). The only thing that was backended in the patch today was the PoF thing I mentioned above.
     
  10. Maplestone

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    The client shouldn't be able to set durability ... that would be very dangerous. The server side hasn't been updated yet.

    When's the last time you powdered it?
     
  11. Nyses

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    Yes, DC gave double the durability, thus you could take any DC weapon or piece of armor to 510 Durability with Powder. I used to have weapons that I specifically enhanced with DC in order to Powder up.
     
  12. Harb

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    9:35 pm EDT, 24 Oct. The clocks here on stratics keep me guessing also :) It was maybe 10 minutes at most before I got the post up. After I posted to get the word out, I played around a little more to expand comments regarding what's going on to the best of my knowledge. Hope that helps! Easiest thing Maplestone is just don't use the PoFs if durability exceeds 255.
     
  13. Maplestone

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    You misunderstand. When was the previous time that you powdered it? I don't believe that the client patch could have done this.
     
  14. Mark Knotts

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    This has been going on for over a year. A friend did this same exact thing around this time last year and I'm sure it's been going on longer.

    Calm down guys, your shard doesn't have Pub 56 on it yet. :p
     
  15. Tycolby

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    Hasnt the rule always been you dont use powder on anything over 255 or it would revert to 255? Crafting any weapon with DC would give the slayer type weapons double the amount of Durability with 510 the max which is doubled 255. And I know its been that way for at least 5 years, as I remember buying high dura slayers made from DC with the warning on them saying "dont use POF on it or you lose Durability".
     
  16. Harb

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    Good lord, I have absolutely no idea. It was at 510 waaayyy back when, and had decayed down to 496/ 10. I only tried the powder in light of what might lay "ahead," just to pick up the other 14. This could have been in effect for some time, the weapon in question is (was)one of my Doom ones. It's the first time I've seen it though, and have never read anything regarding this, but the poster above may be correct and we simply never noticed. I do play the character a lot though, and many of his weapons are over 255. This is a first for me, for what it's worth.
     
  17. Harb

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    As above, yes I may have missed something along those lines if it's been in for a bit. I'm pretty well read and play quite a bit, but this one did take me off guard. Could just me being dumb, wouldn't be the first, and won't be the last time if I'm still breathing tomorrow!
     
  18. Radun

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    you thought it was worn out at 496 durability?
     
  19. Maplestone

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    I hear ya :)

    *makes note of the warning though just in case I ever do end up with a super-durable item*
     
  20. Maplestone

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    He thought the limit was going to be 510 ... for more maximum efficiency, you use PoF as soon as the max durability has dropped to 10 below the limit.

    (if I read his thoughts correctly)
     
  21. Doomsday Dragon

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    510 durability on anything was a bug right from the start. There was a time when the leggings of bane also had 510 and that was changed. They are simply fixing misc small issues in preparation of the SA release as they stated they would be.

    I loved items with 510 on them too but you don't see me crying about the change because it makes sense and if you ask me should have been done a long long time ago.
     
  22. This has always been the case, though yes finding out does suck.

    It isn't just on slayer weps, it can be done on any weapons, armor or shields. You can powder it to 255 then enhance it with dull copper for weapons or shadow for armor/shields and it gains 100% durabililty, or if you use shadow on a weapon and dull copper on armor/shields it gives 50% durability.

    This is specified on the material bonuses page for enhancing.
     
  23. Harb

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    Yes Radun Maplestone rsponded for me accurately :) Doomsday, it's not worth the argument, but I can assure you from first hand experience that prior to enhancing being introduced into the game, I and several others who were testing for then-OSI discussed this exact thing with dev and QA before it was boxed and implemented. We knew you could carry durability to 510, it was the designed benefit of Dull copper. In terms of personal game "history," "real life" kept us (the wife plays also) out of the game for the most part from a couple weeks before ML (my last "player test" event) until about 18 months after. We were mostly away again from 12ish-24ish months ago as well. Our "lulls" have never really been voluntary, so during time away I've read as much as possible to stay as current as I can be. There are things I've missed to be sure, but I was there for the original design intent - it was not a bug.
     
  24. Gheed

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    The devs giveth and the devs taketh away. It has happened in nearly every element of the game. Par for the course... just try not to get bent out of shape... like I do :scholar: