I just wanted to remind everyone that Stratics now has two Thief Forums. One is called the UO PvP Thief and the other is UO Thief. The UO PvP Thief deals with "discussion of player versus player thieving. If you steal from another player, this is the place to talk about it." and UO Thief deals with, "discussion of the stealing skill as it pertains to NON player versus player thieving". The reason for two forums was because some people had trouble defining what a thief was, as you can see by this definition: thief: a person who steals, esp. secretly or without open force; one guilty of theft or larceny. (larceny is defined as the following: the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods of another from his or her possession with intent to convert them to the taker's own use.) As you can see that is too broad of a term and most PvP thief's would fall under the following two terms. mugger: a person who mugs, esp. one who assaults a person in order to rob him or her. pickpocket: a thief who steals from the pockets or purses of others in public places Where as many of the PvM thief's who collect rares on dungeons could be considered the following: burglar: a thief who enters a building with intent to steal. (burglary is the act of entering a building or other premises with the intent to commit theft.) The main problem is that now players can now mug or pickpocket off of monsters and many players had questions about it. They went to the old Thief's Forum and were referred to the "UO Rares Collector" and the "UO Fishing and Treasure Hunting" forums to try and find answers. Both of these forums do not cover these new questions so it was decided to make a new one to help these players. So if you steal items from dungeons or off of monsters use the new forum, if you steal from other players use the PvP one. Its that simple.