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Weavers read please let the devs know we want this :)

Discussion in 'UHall' started by drewster513, Dec 23, 2013.

  1. drewster513

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    Please read the notice at the top of the forum you have posted that thread in.
    I suggest you add your request to the sticky 'tweaks and suggestions' thread.
     
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    devs hid that page until they respond to it.
     
  4. drewster513

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    here it is then this is my idea....

    Weavers of ultima online

    I had the idea of having like 2 npc weavers stood around west britain bank that you could hire for use at a cost of like 50k or so ... so that low populated shards could still get a full focus even if they could only be hired once per account in a 24 hour period would still be better than waiting for an hour of so for 2 more people...​

    i hope you consider my idea and if you could post back on here what you think of my idea would be great​

    thanks in advance drewster​
     
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    I'm in favour of this, as I can't think of a better way to reduce the headache that comes from making your weaver properly useful.
     
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    Think 5-10 k would be a better amount per npc hired, if you want a focus every day it would get mighty expensive over the course of a month at 50k per hire, especially if you are on my shard, and would in all liklihood have to hire 4 to get a 6 focus.
     
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    Drachenfels has a circle at west brit that requires just one person for a focus 6. Not only do they get German Sasauge but they get level 6 focus with 1 person!
     
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  9. Kylie Kinslayer

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    A good weaver can run out and make that 50k in less than 15 minutes, which would be way less time than waiting on 1-2 more folks for a level 6.

    I like the idea.
     
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    Yeah and if you need to hire 4 npc's to get that level 6 you will need 200k at 50k per, and by the time you get that you have probably done your fighting for the day. Please advise where you get 50k in 15 mins with no focus.
     
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    Just make the focus' counter stop counting down in real time, have it only count played time. This way, a L6 focus could take days to run out and require fewer GC spam sessions. Mesanna has already said she liked the idea, we just need to pressure the devs to implement it.
     
  12. kaio

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    Me like this :)
    A nice good old goldsink.
    But why not make is so that you can buy a level 6 focus for like 50k/hour instead.
     
  13. Kylie Kinslayer

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    Well... the op's idea is to have 2 npc weavers standing at wbb that can be hired, not 4 so 200k would not be needed. He also went on to say they could even make it to where they can only be hired 1 per account. That being the case the most any account would be hit is 50k..... and if 50k is that big of a deal for folks maybe they should either look at another profession or another hobby. Heck I have spammed I would toss a 1m check to the person who shows up, so 50k is not a big deal at all.

    also... please show me where I said you could get 50k in 15 minutes with no focus?
     
  14. Obsidian

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    50k per hire is too steep for a max of a 9 hr effect. That could be 250k just for a focus on a lesser populated shard like Origin. I personally would prefer the option of dedicating 120 skill points as a support skill or having enhanced methods to get a traditional focus. I would support 120 skill or traditional focus with 120 arcanist hirelings for 10k gold per hire.
     
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    see i posted here so that people could put their parts forward as i say this was just an idea and i hope the devs can deliver something like this, the price was only a first thought as 50k isnt that much gold but yeah i see your points that it could be quite costly but it is optional no one would be forced to hire them it's your choice if you could deal with a level 4 focus but i hate waiting for 2 more people to come as i have waited for hours constantly spamming in general chat and as kylie said i have offered gold for people to come so this would be ideal for me


    Thanks for all your replies btw :)
     
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    50k in 15 mins w/o focus?

    - Go farm miasma for 2k a drop plus the paragon chest (map value of 100k not included). RC and some ebolts.
    - Go farm this spiders in the twisted Weald. Even easier drop if you keep changelings out
    - Go farm undead guardians at doom. With two EVs and a Pixie there are 8 guardians spawned like once per minute. 8x 800gp = 6400gp if you loot them all. (Again 8 tmaps level 1-3 not included)
    - Go somewhere else...

    50k in 15min is not a big deal, though i also feel after getting them you are done with your daily dose of grinding.
     
  17. MissEcho

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    if it costs 50k to HIRE the things to OBTAIN the focus, and you say : "A good weaver can run out and make that 50k in less than 15 minutes" one would assume that the person has no focus. If you already had the flipping focus you wouldn't need to go out and get 50k to actually 'get' it would you. And if you have to grind up 50 k per day to pay for the focus the following day then you would soon get sick of that.

    My point was to get a 6 focus you would need to hire more than 1-2 npcs on some shards where most times there are NO other spellweavers around. The op was just tossing up an idea of 2 that cost 50k per to hire, that would be good if a) you could hire the amount of npc's you needed to get a 6 focus, and b) if they cost less than his/her proposed 50k which in my opinion is way to high given you may need to hire 1-4 to obtain a 6 focus and if you were doing it once a day or sometimes even twice a day would be WAY too much. Even if it was hiring 1 for 50k every day that is still far too much money to spend. That is 350k per week and basically I don't want to grind up 350k just to get enough money for another weekly focus rinse repeated every week just to get a focus.

    I go back to my original point which was discussion in addition to what the op said, being I think 5 (at most 10) k per hireling should be MAX and you should be able to hire up to 4 to get a 6 focus. This was the point YOU quoted.

    There should be no restriction on how many times you can hire em if you are prepared to pay each time, and at 5k per hire that would generally be around 20k per day to get a 6 focus on small shards, which is reasonable. No other skill requires an outlay of 20k per day just to be able to use the skill effectively. Other than archery (for arrow cost) no other skill needs outlay, and even with archery you can obtain arrows for free in many cases. As for chivalry (tithing) mage, necro etc, lrc gets rid of their costs.
     
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    I always thought the focus should only require 5 people, not the spell-weaving skill at +/- 20 of every participant.

    Basically you could have one person with 120 spell-weaving & four other players with 0 and you'd get a level 6 focus. (just remove the +/- 20.0 Spell-weaving requirement)

    I don't see it necessary for a 'gold sink' just to use a skill, regardless of how inexpensive it is.
     
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    We sure know how much u like that German Sausage bro!
     
  20. Kylie Kinslayer

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    What does it matter when you recoup the 50k? Looking at my comment above it seems rather self explanatory that I was referring to after getting the level 6 focus, but I guess I could have made it "so easy a caveman could understand it" for those who would get confused. I guess it all depends on your perspective though. I did not consider there are folks who may be so poor as to not have at least a couple hundred K in the bank at any given time :/

    This is a good idea as well. Even if they do not remove it entirely they could easily increase it to 50-60 range or so... or just add a 50 minimum skill thing to it.
     
  21. MissEcho

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    Actually you quoted my comment and added your own:

    MissEcho said:
    Think 5-10 k would be a better amount per npc hired, if you want a focus every day it would get mighty expensive over the course of a month at 50k per hire, especially if you are on my shard, and would in all liklihood have to hire 4 to get a 6 focus.​
    Actually NOT self explanatory if you have any comprehension of the English language. You even say 'way less time than waiting on a level 6 focus' which in my knowledge of English means you don't already have a 6 focus as you are 'waiting on it'.

    You can also keep your derogatory 'cavemen' comments to yourself.

    How much money a person has in the bank is totally irrelevant to the cost of hiring an npc. It shouldn't cost 50k per npc to hire if it is going to be a useful addition to the game as at a minimum 50k PER DAY it is expensive which was my point.

    If you had to pay 50k per day to take out your swordsman, tamer or mage, I bet you would be singing a very different song? I guarantee you 99% of players would NOT be prepared to pay that each day before they could fully utilize their character.

    It appears you just want to have a go a my comments for some reason and use a very rude and derisive tone to do so which I do not appreciate. I would think as a Stratics reporter you would use a little less contempt when replying to others posts.
     
  22. Kylie Kinslayer

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    When I play I am on my mage/sw/tamer 99.5% of the time, so I would feel a direct impact and it would be fine by me if it were 500k per hireling.


    Any "contempt" that is in my post is being actively read into it by you, as none is intended. :next:
     
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    I think its a really cool idea myself maybe limit it to just 1 or 2 npc weavers available. Most annoying to me is when u cant even get a single other weaver to circle and therefore have no focus at all- u would have 1 or 2 npcs so u could get a low lvl focus at least. Ofc it would also be usefull for maxing out your focus after u get a few players to show up. But to me the even bigger problem it would fix is that lack of ability to get any focus at all- which to me sounds awesome.

    We all know some shards have a MUCH harder time getting weavers to come focus and it would really help those shards out a lot. Seems a real bummer to have a skill that is basically useless on those lower populated shards. Especially when it is such a useful skill on shards where getting other weavers to focus isn't nearly as difficult to accomplish. Maybe u could scale the cost of said npc's based on the lvl of focus they will be helping u to get or something. Like u hire 1 or 2 to help just u get a focus would be a bit cheaper perhaps then using them to finish a lvl 6 focus...Just a thought.
     
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    What's the point of this being an 'online' game if you're going to get NPCs to be your friends?
    I never fail to get a level 6 circle, i suggest joining a guild of weavers, in fact in my guild on Europa, we often have trouble where there are too many of us on the circle.

    I also think that it is too easy to keep a weaving focus going, i think that in order to keep the focus all players in the focus must remain in your vicinity throughout the duration of the focus. (perhaps then you can omit the need for the pentagram)
     
  25. Speaking the Truth

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    And people that like to play solo or with a very small group shouldn't be able to use a skill like everyone else? I don't see why this is the ONLY skill in game that you NEED to rely on having lots of people, or accounts.
     
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    Because it's a spell school which doesn't derive its power from another skill. It complements a range of caster templates, and is very, very useful when you have a focus. Also, there's some lore-type stuff about it being a group activity that involves channeling, weaving, and focussing the forces of nature.

    Regardless, the point of the thread is to suggest an option to empower off-peak weavers to properly utilise their skill. Not everyone plays during peak time, and not everybody is in an active guild (of weavers) on a populated shard. Let's focus on making the game more playable for those who aren't fortunate enough to be blessed by their circumstance.
     
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    An alternative to the circle focus could be to let the skill Focus bump Spellweaving.

    20 Focus gives a focus 1, 40 Focus gives a focus 2, 60 Focus gives a focus 3 etc.
     
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    who is we? I don't want this, I want it to go back to having to go to Prism to get a level 6, it should not be made easier it should be made harder. The value is there for PLAYERS who have a larger partyas it should be :) If not then jt let me chose a level I want and ast it myself, if all it takes is to pay NPCs off to help there would be NO resone to even have it as gold is a joke.

    If implemented then just give SW a level 6 and get it over with.
     
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    What are you talking about? I'm suggesting that it should be able to used by solo players. Without a focus that skill is worthless, so you NEED other players. Or having multiple accounts.

    I'm more concerned with it being an even playing field for everyone, including and especially those who like to play solo or with just 1 or 2 other people. Those circumstances would obviously not yield some one a level 6.

    Personally I don't see the problem with a combo of things suggested. For example the more weaving you have, the more of a focus you get by yourself. Then in addition have it just so someone has to be on the circle rather than the 20 +/- bridge. So if someone had GM weaving, they could get a 6 with just 1 other person (+ 5 on their own, then the last level of the focus for the person with none).

    Forgot to add the real time for the timer that people suggested also. I honestly don't see what the issue is to having some sort of trifecta from something like that with all 3 things being implemented.
     
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    Please can we have this.


    thread necro for the win
     
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    I have 9 accounts and created 3 weavers so I can man half the stinking circle myself... you'd think it wouldn't be so hard to get a couple extra folk for a circle but it is. I'm about ready to make 3 more weavers so I never have to bother trying to get someone to come do a circle with me. Either that or simply stoning my weaving and dropping 5 of my own characters on the circle and getting a no skill circle. I'm so sick of all the standing around in game.
     
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    i have ONE account so that doesnt work for all of us wish it did
     
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    Can't imagine just having one. But I agree it doesn't work. Sadly the community isn't what it was and getting a 6 is harder and harder all the time. Even on more populated shards. I can't imagine trying it on more dead shards.
     
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    I would suggest carrying a Soulstone and asking for non skilled..there's always 4-5 people who would join that circle..if not create trials..it's one of the easier things to do in game guys ;)


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    Every day. I do this everyday, on Origin, sometimes more than once.
     
  36. MalagAste

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    Well I should try to gain some weaving over there or I should try to work weaving there. Would be nice if we had a circle calling circles or something.
     
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    Why don't you just make it a part of the Town Systems and Drop an arcane circle in every town. And the Governors Can turn them on for a week or month at a time using gold from the coffers to automatically get a +1->+5 Boost based on the Amount of Gold used.
     
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    if they just remove the power down after you have a 6. people wouldn't be hesitant to help.

    They said they would do this a very a long time ago.

    I think a vending machine with equal number of crystals in the machine for each person on the cycle.
    For those that just missed the power up. If you want to make a cost for it fine what ever.
     
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    Trials - there's no limit on how many or how often?
     
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    No I used to make 5 every 14 days..still do sometimes when I decide Im going to play fulltime again


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    Then this should be a good incentive for them to change the way we get a focus - surely 500 or so new trial accounts every two weeks can't a good thing for the system
     
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    I don't think it matters one way or the next..it's probably a 2kb file ha! Problem is, there isn't a real good solution other than lets just make it super easy and plop it at Luna bank. I'd be for focus crystals that you can farm..and when you collect 6 they merge to a single Focus Crystal and wether you have 120 weaving or 0..1 or 10 players everyone on the circle gets a level 6 focus for 10 hours


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    Only limited in how many emails you create, and they're easy to come by. I made 2-3 trial accounts last year when I was debating coming back, but I confined myself to TC1. For spellweaving alone, I wouldn't be opposed to doing that again.

    I do like Cazador's idea of focus crystals though. Or an NPC vendor.
     
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    How about we make spellweaving focus, a risk vs reward thing ?
    So to get a level 6 focus, all u need is youself :) but when u get the focus, u will be freely attackable on all facets.
     
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    Or you could place it at the bottom of a dungeon in ilshenar.
     
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    I like the focus Crystal idea. That way you can save them up for when you need them. However, the need to be fairly easy to obtain by a solo player. It seems to me 15-20 min of work should net you 6 focus shards to forge into a level 6 focus Crystal.
     
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    Or even when you get your focus, all PvPers are instantly transported to you..and you instantly drop to 1 hp..also sounds legitimate


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    Nice try again, guys
     
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