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Well guesse we know now

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Kith Kanan, Aug 4, 2008.

  1. Kith Kanan

    Kith Kanan Guest

    Having bought 8 or 9 verite hammers and 4 valorite hammers are enough to get you banned....

    Greetings,

    Thank you for contacting Ultima Online Support.

    I am very sorry to hear of your account being terminated. However, you were found to be in possession of a multitude of highly illegal items in Ultima Online. Due to the severe nature of this ToS violation, your account was terminated. Sufficient evidence was verified to justify this termination.

    The action taken against your account was just and will stand. If you would like to see any changes made to our Rules and Policies, please feel free to submit feedback bia the UO Herald by visiting
    http://uoherald.com/feedback/index.php

    Any further replies regarding this subject will not be acknowledged.

    Thank you and take care.

    EA Rep Balendros
    Player Relations
    Electronic Arts


    My only comment is FU EA ......
     
  2. Teufel_Hund

    Teufel_Hund Guest

    So apparently just to be in possession of duped items you are eligible for termination. Who sets that limit? Wow.
     
  3. Tomas_Bryce

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    Possession of duped items has always been grounds for banning.
     
  4. LeeHarvey

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    Buhbye *waves*
     
  5. Kith Kanan

    Kith Kanan Guest

    I'm not hiding anything m8's , and I admit to buying 10 or so verite hammers and 4-5 valorite hammers , didnt dupe anything and didnt try to re-sell anything .... Well that was a leason learned the hard way , guesse my crafters wont be crafting anymore but just repairing.........
     
  6. 8-9 Verite hammers and 4 Valorite hammers at what prices? And in what time frame? It's safe to say that the verite and valorite hammers "shouldn't" be as readily available as say dull copper or shadow hammers. Conversely, they are worth considerably more than what "some" people are/were selling them for......
     
  7. miss uo

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    'multitude' That word stuck out in the sentence. That doesnt sound like 2-4 hammers to me.
     
  8. Kith Kanan

    Kith Kanan Guest

    True but would have been nice with a warning , its not like it was obviously duped like vincord sandals.. but did anyone get banned for owning those or the Talkesh robes ??? Those atleast where obviously dupes.....

    A GM showing up and konfiskating the hammers and telling me to keep my nose clean would have left a better impresion.. now I'm just pissed...

    Ahhh well as said lesson learned the hard way....
     
  9. Teufel_Hund

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    Understood Tomas but what I do not understand is there are still peeps out there even today offering the same items for sale --not quite as cheap-- but none the less still available. Apparently not everybody was hit. It would seem that there is a method of hiding items from the powers that be. I have heard rumours of a method of hiding items as well i have heard from multiple sources other things that I do not like to hear about the recent bannings. Who knows what to believe.
     
  10. Kith Kanan

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    bought on multi x-shard run's over a period of ca 3 months

    Val's priced at ca 25m pr hammer and Verites ca 15m pr hammer

    Miss UO multible is more than 1 I recon , and I stated in several posts the numbers :)

    And Teufel yeah I been seeing hammers for sale at prices the same and lower yesterday on several vendors....
     
  11. Xrenos

    Xrenos Guest

    I have the same mail:


    Dispute Termination of an Account

    Discussion Thread
    Response (EA Rep Balendros)
    08/04/2008 08:07 AM
    Greetings,

    Thank you for contacting Ultima Online Support.

    I am very sorry to hear of your account being terminated. However, you were found to be in possession of a multitude of highly illegal items in Ultima Online. Due to the severe nature of this ToS violation, your account was terminated. Sufficient evidence was verified to justify this termination.

    The action taken against your account was just and will stand. If you would like to see any changes made to our Rules and Policies, please feel free to submit feedback bia the UO Herald by visiting
    http://uoherald.com/feedback/index.php

    Any further replies regarding this subject will not be acknowledged.

    Thank you and take care.

    EA Rep Balendros
    Player Relations
    Electronic Arts



    I Did not have verite and valorite hammers, never, in my 8 years of gameplay. I had not any illegal items on my account - everything I had was gained by hands, fighting monsters.

    Statement: "Sufficient evidence was verified to justify this termination."
    Is B*** S****,
    they just ban those who are rich hoping they hit cheaters.
     
  12. Lady Aalia

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    I am sorry you learned the hard way....but so many times it was said on the boards here that it is in no way game mechanics that there is 50 valorite hammers on luna vendors and when they dropped from like not affordable to bargin bin price.

    I like bing bling stuff too not so much into Hammers but many times i stood infront of the rares vendors thinking how i would love to have this item since they are never (untill now )available.
    But i didnt , because i been pretty sure they where duped, didnt think i would get banned for it , but i valued my gold to much that i would have the darn item deleted....

    You read the forums... just like the guy a couple weeks back that was paranoid about haveing just bought 5 or 10 val hammers before they shut down transfer...and everyone told him not to panic cause nothing would happen....

    I am still waiting , because so far it seems like only the fencers and buyers got hit and not the actual dupers yet...

    so i am staying tuned for more...
    Shouldnt be to hard now since they only have to comb through the banks since they all hid their stuff in save places :lick:

    :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
     
  13. Llams Anit

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    I am not saying you are hiding anything or you are a cheater but you need to get your story or stories straight

    Did you buy 10 or more verite?
    Did you buy 4-5 valorite?
    Or did you buy

    " Having bought 8-9 verite hammers and 4 valorite hammers are enough to get you banned.... "
    As you stated at the top of this thread
    Or you have this muchhttp://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?p=749586#post749586 as stated in another thread

    Yes multiple is more than 1 so you "recon" correctly

    Interestingly you can remember the cost of each hammer and the fact you
    remember where you got them and when but not the quantity.......

    " bought on multi x-shard run's over a period of ca 3 months

    Val's priced at ca 25m pr hammer and Verites ca 15m pr hammer "


    What is even more interesting is that you have 10+ accounts.... not 11 not
    12 but 10+.....

    So to recap you have no idea how many hammers you bought or the total number of accounts you have but you do know when and where and how much you paid for whatever amount of hammers you bought? hmmmm

    To add insult to injury you have multiple crafters on those 10+ accounts yet all the hammers you bought ( we still are not sure on the quantity ) in a "3 month " period stayed on that 1 account........

    " guesse my crafters wont be crafting anymore but just repairing......... "
     
  14. Theo_GL

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    Once again the folks at EA have it wrong.

    Ban the people who DUPED not the people who bought duped items off vendors. How could they know?

    Don't arrest the guy who bought a stolen watch on EBAY arrest the person who SOLD IT and/or STOLE IT. Those are the criminals.

    Its ok, i'm actually kind of hoping EA will ban me so I can stop paying $$ for this game and move on to better things.

    Diablo III is in the works. That sounds like more fun and less drama.

    http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/
     
  15. Gandie

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    Well i hope they banned the dupers and not only the ones buying duped items...

    Why didn't they Ban all who owned a pair of vine cords then?
     
  16. Assia Penryn

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    Wow... just wow.

    I wish Jeremy would actually comment on these bannings and let us know "exactly" why they were banned and for which items. I'm just speechless if its really because they bought some hammers off a vendor.

    You know not everyone reads Stratics forums. Never once (that I've seen - If I missed it, please share the link with me.) have they said on the UO.com website/news/FoF "Don't buy valorite/verite hammers from vendors". So how's anyone who doesn't use Stratics supposed to know not to do it or that they are duped? So is it now required to have to read these forums? If you are going to make it a requirement for folks to read forums, then make your own forums. Don't get me wrong, have no problem with Stratics personally, even was an admin here, but seriously if people's account are going to be in jeopardy because this is the only place they'll learn the information (From primarily players) they need... then having their access controlled by a third party seems like a crapstorm waiting to happen.

    Just wow... wow.
     
  17. Crysta

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    You people should all just PM Jeremy your account names and let her see exactly what it was you all had and tell us.. im sure it'll put you guys to shame.. they don't take banning people lightly.
     
  18. Sarphus

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    It's mindboggling to me that you're surprised you got banned.

    You should send them feedback that you feel players should be able to buy illegal items en masse without any consequences. Obviously that's your viewpoint. They encourage you to send feedback, so I suggest you should. Every voice should be heard; even the ones I disagree with (yours).
     
  19. Lord Kotan

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    Did you burn them? .. I sort of wonder how EA finds out who has what..
     
  20. Zofinur

    Zofinur Guest

    Here is an official permission to give details why my account was banned in the public.
    Jeremy (or any other EA-Official) is from now on allowed to give the exact reason, so everybody can read it!
    If you want and it is needed i can send this signed either via Fax, mail or snailmal to EA!

    The following is not sufficient for me: However, you were found to be in possession of a multitude of highly illegal items in Ultima Online.
    I honestly got no clue what they mean!
     
  21. Sheridan

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    I understand where you're both coming from, but here's the thing... in many cases, it would appear that it wasn't just a single "watch" or a runic hammer or two here and there. It sounds like there were "a multitude" of questionable items in each of these peoples' possessions that warranted the banning.
     
  22. Sarphus

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    I think the dupers got hit too. I just think they don't care, because they made a ton of money in the process and they didn't risk a real account to make the money. Dupers use garbage accounts such as temp accounts and trial accounts, so that when they get nailed they don't lose anything.

    Dupers sell off all their stuff for RL cash, because they know their ride will come to an end at some point.

    The people you hear getting banned on their main accounts are people who are either new to the game of duping (thanks to someone posting detailed instructions on how to dupe) or people who thought that some of the UO rules that historically haven't been enforced would continue to remain unenforced.

    It should have been obvious to everyone that the bannings of last year and the year before were warning shots. The devs made it clear that they would take harsher action if people continued to do some of the things they have been doing.

    Consider the recent action harsher action. I suggest people stop buying obviously duped stuff en masse if you value your account. Obviously an 11 yr vet values his account.
     
  23. GarthGrey

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    The simple fact that only 1 account was banned, and you plainly stated your crafters will have to start crafting, means EAs "slap on the wrist" won't do anything. You bought extremely rare runic tools that you "Knew", and come on lets face it, you knew, were obtained illegally. You'll do it again too.....let's face it, you WILL do it again. Yet all of your accounts weren't banned....
     
  24. Raina

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    That's kinda totally ridiculous. It's akin to the Homeland Security Method of lack of security... "You have to follow the rules, but we aren't going to tell you what those rules are for security reasons! But you MUST follow them".

    Honestly as I understand it the hammers themselves aren't even duped items, just the end result of duped BODs. So the only thing Mythic would have to go off of on the bannings are banning people with X Number of Y Type Hammers... so even if you were really hip on the Bod trading market you could get yourself banned.

    It's not even as though someone could look up to know that they might be illegal items, as they aren't listed anywhere. We also must remember, reading forums isn't "required" to play UO, not to mention access to the forums isn't guaranteed. Not like if you have a UO account you have a forums account like it used to be... More than that even is that there has been 0 information provided by EA/Mythic anyways, so there hasn't even been an official word posted on the forums about dupes or illegal items or ANYTHING.

    Basically there is NO way any reasonable person can know they aren't supposed to buy certain items. None, zip, zero zilch. Mythic is who needs to be help responsible/accountable for situations like this.

    ~Rai
     
  25. Kith Kanan

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    Well you can change the account tally to 7 active now ( 1 banned two taken down and one bein taken down when I get around to emptying it )

    And I got in daubt if it was 9 or 10 verite so i put down 10+ my bad should have said max 10 , and I used the numbers 4-5 val all the time , thou I'm 99% sure it was 4 , but typed 4-5 to not under play the numbers I had bought
    .
    But I can tell you excactly what was in my bag of runics when it got banned , 9 verite , 4 val ,1 heartwood saw and 4 barbed kits , had just moved em all and a pile of ingots , wood and leather to start crafting..
     
  26. Kith Kanan

    Kith Kanan Guest

    nope I wish I had.......
     
  27. Sarphus

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    I think part of the intent with the bannings was to discourage people from buying obviously duped stuff. If you dry up the market for duped stuff you remove dupers from the game. The dupers are doing what they do on accounts that they don't pay any money to EA for. Their accounts also generally risk losing nothing in order to perform their operations, so banning them just stops the bleeding temporarily.

    The culture of UO has changed to the point where people don't think it's bad to support the industry that's destroying the game as long as they aren't directly invovled in the creation of the dupes. That's flawed thinking, and I think it's obvious the devs are cracking down on purchasing dupes.

    If you value your account, be really careful what you buy. Draconi already told us that probably a year ago.
     
  28. packrat

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    Why can't EA at least put out a list of things to watch out for? I am not buying anything from any vendor until all of this gets straightened up. This mess will hurt honest vendors. No one wants to buy things off of a vendor and sign in only to find out that their account was banned, their house dropped for buying from vendors that are still in operation. Drop the vendors in question and stop putting other peoples accounts at risk.. that is just plain stupid.
     
  29. Esmeralda

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    Quoted for truth!!!
     
  30. Lady_Mina

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    Can we get comfirmation of the dev's that buying duped items will get you perma banned?

    Cause they can't expect us to smell it that items are duped or not...

    Cause i've bought armor for my warrior...and i don't want to get banned when later on one of her armor pieces appear to be a duped item...
    Cause right now i have totaly NO CLUE weither i've bough unique pieces or duped pieces...since they were not sold in a massive stock from the vendor i bought them.
     
  31. Teufel_Hund

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    lol Sarphus I understand what you are trying to say, but when in history has anything like this ever worked?
     
  32. Emil Ispep

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    Weird.. i got a different email..

    Not really, but i think a perma FC-3, FCR-6 for the unsavory seems fitting.
     
  33. Assia Penryn

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    Oh I understand that Sheridan. I just wish they would tell us exactly what items and what quantities so we can see what it is. My thing is... I never once saw EA say that the runics were illegal. There is no way to tell a real runic from a dupe and don't say price because that really means nothing. Either the avg player has to match the prices or if they stay high than the dupers will just bring their prices up to to hide the fact. The only reason -I know- that high-end runics are kinda shady is that I see players talking about them on these forums. It's just mind blowing to me.

    I don't know anyone personally who was banned. I just read this and couldn't believe what I was reading. Just doesn't seem as the proper order of logic was followed. To be honest, it isn't just the valorite runics... most things have been duped. So are those who have rares collections going to banned next? What about all the folks who bought BRK's and runics and made stuff out of them? I don't play much these days, but I have friends who do. Where's the ban line officially and where is the list of items we shouldn't have? Why weren't these dupes fixed way back when? Are they fixed now? Why aren't we hearing anything about this from official EA sources? Players need clear and concise answers and it should be on the UO.com site and not just here.
     
  34. Sarphus

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    Just when you think you've made something idiot proof they breed a better idiot.

    What gets me is that the devs TOLD US THIS WOULD HAPPEN over a year ago. The people who heeded their warning are not banned.
     
  35. HD2300

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    Seems like EA decided to do only a token banning of one of your 10 accounts. You should be thankful that you have the opportunity to sell off your stuff.
     
  36. Satanatra

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    How do you know the dupers werent banned? Because they didnt come here and cry about it?

    No one got banned buying one hammer at a time off vendors - dont even try to tell me you didnt buy those hammers in bulk from a duper and or least a fairly direct link to a duper.
     
  37. Tomas_Bryce

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    Quite a few of main dupers/fencers have not been hurt at all by these bans as far as I know. Even the people who are complaining and crying about getting banned here only got banned on 1 account, with rest of their accounts untouched. So far these bans seem amateur at best, but I could be wrong.
     
  38. Sheridan

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    But wouldn't that give the dupers a finite, measurable threshold to avoid exceeding in order to keep on the up and up?
     
  39. Teufel_Hund

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    Not really sure if I should feel insulted or not, but I understand that we were told here on and that is all well and good but trying to erase a drug problem will never work by penalizing the addict. That is what I was trying to say, guess I did not make myself clear enough.
     
  40. Sarphus

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    Code:
    
    

    Warning shot? We've had a few warning shots... people better wise up or start packin.
     
  41. Ailish

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    One thing that bugs me about this ... the e-mail was obviously not tailored to each person's exact situation. Take a look. Both Kith's and Xrenos e-mails are identical - down to the misspelling of the word VIA at the end.

    If you are going to "respond" to someone debating their ban, the least you could do is look at the exact acct and give exact information.

    (if you wonder, is that possible? remember that Wilki used to do it all the time.)
     
  42. Lord Kynd

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  43. Tomas_Bryce

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    That makes little sense quite frankly. Answer is either,

    a) GM's are not done with all the bans, or
    b) GM's have failed at these endeavor miserably.
     
  44. Lord Kynd

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    i can't say i didn't know something was going on, but i definitly was far from convinced it was a dupe, still am not convinced.


    bingo
    hence the reason the so called 'war on drug's ' failed big time in the US.
    we delt with proabition before, think lawmakers would get a clue.
     
  45. HD2300

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    It seems like its only a token banning. Isnt everyone now supposed to be jumping up and down celebrating like when they burnt down a couple of houses. So now everyone move along and dont complain about dupers, val runics, BRKs until at least December.
     
  46. Kith Kanan

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    who is selling what stuff ??? nope I'm just stripping the accounts and de-activating them , I'm not gonna let this silly crap ruin the game for me...
    Well not all of it , I did enjoy buying up runic's and craft stuff..... thats gonna be a while before I do that again......
     
  47. Assia Penryn

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    Not if they actually -fixed- the duping.
     
  48. Halister Marner

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    Your right. Most of the major dupers are still up and running. There was someone selling valorite runics at britain bank earlier for 25m, and the brokers still have stocks in the thousands.

    I hope they aren't done yet, or else "amateur" would definitely be the word.
     
  49. It Lives

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    ShuNN the Dupers Charlie ShuUUUuuuNNN!:next:


    Kith
    "mine where all bought off my main shard europa , mainly Atl and GL , shards with a larger player base and a hell of alot more vendors.. thats why I xfered there in the first place !!! And the vendors did not have 10's in stock , the most I bought was 3 verite's at 14.9m each and I was all gitty , thinking I made a nice deal and what I could make with them... boy did I get fooled..."
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  50. SilentFoxXy

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    Must admit this episode got me scared silly.

    I didnt know what was good, what was bad. Now I know NOT to buy Runic Hammers, not to buy BRSK in LARGE quantities for 1m each.

    I read the responses, I read from officials, and, strangely, I feel safer.

    I know that if I bought or sold one or 2, in ignorance, that I am apparently safe,

    I wasnt deleted, My shops and accounts are still here.

    I know Im clean, so, hopefully, do my valued customers.......

    Im very sorry to see folks got banned, there is always overspill in times like these, whilst the ones who deserved it probably aint posting here........

    Stay aware, Stay safe..:)- If it looks too good to be true IT PROBABALY IS.

    CatT