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Welp looks like champ spawns are broke, again.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Orgional Farimir, Feb 11, 2013.

  1. Orgional Farimir

    Orgional Farimir Lore Keeper
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    The last 2 champ spawns I have done on my red I have ended up getting 2 power scrolls each time. I did not heal the blue killing champ and I did 0 damage to the champ. The only thing I can think of is the pub 80 bug fix created a bug that gives you power scrolls for killing the spawn.
     
  2. Olahorand

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    What kind of scroll? 105 scrolls have dropped also in earlier stages.

    Other than that - as long as you work on spawn, I would not consider getting scrolls a bug.
    I always find it annoying, that you have to hit the boss monster (champ, EM events etc.) while keeping the spawn around down, healing, whatever is also important for success of teamwork.
     
  3. Mr. Smither1

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    I saw this happen to a friend of mine he was doing a baracoon solo and died at the last level, 2 of us went to rez him but he used help stuck and ended up at delucia. I asked him if he wanted us to wait and he said just go ahead and kill baracoon without him. The friend was on his way back to us and got 2 scrolls, I know for a fact coon was not even up when he died.
     
  4. Orgional Farimir

    Orgional Farimir Lore Keeper
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    It was a 110 something and a 115 mysticism. I know for a fact I did 0 damage because I stood by the alter in destard while the blue killed him by the shirne.
     
  5. flappy6

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    whats wrong with getting a scroll if you kill spawn?
     
  6. weins201

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    Good that means you actually have to work the spawn to get scrolls not just ghost cam it and wait till last minute, gnak raid kill champ and get loot,, Haahahhhahahahhhahha.
     
  7. Cetric

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    if this was some sort of intended change, it is a bad change.
     
  8. Warpig Inc

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    OK "we want more PVP crowd".

    Work the spawn and be in the champ area for a chance to get a PS. Have to have rights on the boss for the Relic chance drops by being in the champ area at it's death.

    Seems with this plan the PVPers could get more PVP in if you raid and defend the champ. Tease those that worked the spawn to fight for the champ end game or run out of insurance.

    New with theese thoughts would be a better use of the virtues. Besides a virtue starting the spawn, some of that virtue can also be burned by others to stake their claim to being part of fight. Window pop up at the shrine will give list of that champ names that sacrificed virtue to take part. Now those trackers have a job to find those trying to stealth squat and hold for PS and maybe poke the boss a little and hide. Even if someone in the area thats dead gets a drop at the end game, their corpse can be looted.

    Fix must to make sure players have to be in the spawn area for PS drop and relic chances. Relook and make sure the drops for the dead end up on their corpse if in the champ area. Dragging that champ from there area gets the rubber band to the shrine treatment.

    It has been argued after players stopped working champs as an event and the birth of the raid and zerg started up. Working the spawn should have a worth to earning a PS. The champ mechanics need to be reworked and tweeked to create a fight for the end game.

    There is already a demon champ that males need to be transgender to fight safely. We need a new elemental champ that requires those in the fight to Man Up.
     
  9. Picus at the office

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    This is both a good and bad change. I can see the good for those who never have been able to defend a spawn(though I can't understand losing so often that this becomes the defaulted way of life) since they are the type of person who cry's foul and spams Uhall looking for help.

    At the same time I can see the bad as now you can just work the spawn and leave thus never actually finishing your effort and letting others do your work.

    Setting some new system to show who has rights and who doesn't is a waste of time and would only provide more confusion than the game already has. As it stands champs are so screwed with the healing/damage relation to scrolls that I would worry some extra change makes everything worse. The other day a protector got 6 scrolls yet the other guy only got 3 leaving 3 that just vanished, I know that it was just us two guys the whole time on the champ and I'm 99% sure it was just us for the levels...
     
  10. Kojak

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    if the protector heals the person killing the champ, then the protector gets looting rights too which means they get 3 scrolls, the killer gets 3 scrolls, and therefore the protector gets 3 protection scrolls also for a grand total of 6 - get it? got it? good ...
     
  11. Cetric

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    this also means that only blues that are protected should then kill the spawn, since reds cant be protected.

    as said before.. horrible change if done on purpose.
     
  12. CovenantX

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    Where did this happen ?

    There are no issues with spawns on LS, they seem to be working as normal, 6 scrolls drop + 6 from protection.
     
  13. Picus at the office

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    The time I was talking about was on Napa, a archer and a proto guy. No heals just a long time.
     
  14. Kojak

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    the regular spawn doesn't factor into anything - anyone can kill the spawn - don't know why you think the spawn has anything whatsoever to do with the champ - they're separate monsters with separate looting rights tables
     
  15. Cetric

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    Read the OP, killing spawn is giving people scrolls. confirmed last night. read before you bash...
     
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    This would appear superficially similar to how Champ Spawn Artifacts are distributed, based on a combination of champ killing and spawn killing.

    It has the virtue of rewarding working the whole spawn as opposed to running in at the end -- a common complaint going way back, especially by red guilds before they realized they could heal up the champ and thus erase all damage done by their dreaded "bluebie" enemies.

    And it has the detriment of, without obvious announcement, fixing something that hadn't actively been complained about for some years, long after everyone had gotten used to it.

    My guess is bug.

    -Galen's player
     
  17. Orgional Farimir

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    This happened on GL last night, and has been happening randomly for a while. It kind of makes me feel bad because I yelled at a new member of our guild when he got scrolls on his red a few weeks ago.

    The biggest problem is someone posting about blues getting the scrolls while no where near the spawn
     
  18. G.v.P

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    ^ sounds exactly like that. hm. does sound like a bug, but if not, I'd ask EA to try and change it back. artifacts tied to spawn/boss isn't a bad idea, but scrolls should remain as they were.
     
  19. GalenKnighthawke

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    Oh that's happened for years, though (allegedly).

    For example, Justice Protectors sitting afk in Delucia or Papua.

    -Galen's player
     
  20. GalenKnighthawke

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    If only because, even if one disagrees philosophically with how it works, it's just been in-place for so long there seems little, if any, reason to suddenly change it.

    I'm a big proponent of multiple paths to the same end, hence my "Epic World Boss Harrower That Can Drop Anything" proposal from some months back. In this case, we have (or had) one reward that could go to last-minute raiding, and one reward that was not likely to go to last-minute raiding. Different paths to similar ends: Champ Spawn rewards.

    -Galen's player
     
  21. G.v.P

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    Champ Spawn Arties were released as a universal system, so if you wanted to you could obtain the items from Ilsh spawns (at perhaps a worse rate), without worrying about raiding (except for the specific arties from the SA spawns). I miss paragon Semidars, lol.

    I'd have no problem with an Epic World Boss for arties, but would rather see a Gauntlet revamp...or perhaps new incentives for the Exodus encounter (but I'd rather see the Gauntlet get some love). I'd rather see powerscrolls stay in Fel, although I could see 105 stat scrolls being obtainable in other ways since Exodus opened up the gate. For the average player it's difficult to get stat scrolls, but--unless they revamp champ spawns--getting skill powerscrolls is pretty easy. Binding does the rest. Most guilds drop their 110s and even 115s on the ground or at Luna at this point.