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What Client to Use?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by FoodStamp [GL], Apr 9, 2010.

  1. What's the difference between these clients? I've got the Mondain's Legacy client. And I just downloaded the SA Enhanced client and the SA Classic client?

    I would like to play in both classic 2d and check out the new 3d stuff too.

    Thanks in advance!
     
  2. Coldren

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    Monain's Legacy client is outdated - You can only use the SA clients.

    Enhanced is EA's attempt at a completely new client with more modern characteristics. It's still technically in beta.

    SA Classic client is just the standard old client, but compatible with everything introduced by SA.

    Hope this helps.
     
  3. omgmir

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    Classic = 2d, UO exactly how you remember it

    Enhanced client = 'enhanced 2d', modern mmo-style hotbar, mini-map, expandable map etc. Generally improved everything but no UOAssist support, and if you've been playing for 13 years with the classic client probably very hard to adjust.

    If you're a new player or a returning player after many years I would say use the enhanced and don't look back unless you really end up not liking it.
     
  4. Derium of ls

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    Classic all the way, the other ones make the game look horrible
     
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    Is there anything else besides 2D?
     
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    I'll second this. I came back after being away for two years and decided I would give the enhanced client a fair shot. I won't list all the advantages, there are lots of threads with that information. I'll just say I'm glad I stuck it out with the enhanced client. It has some issues but those are in the process of being fixed and with a few exceptions it is much better than the classic client in every way, and even better than the classic client combined with UOA.

    It took me a couple of months before I was really comfortable with the enhanced client but now that I am if I was forced to go back to the classic client I would probably close my accounts.
     
  7. canary

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    Sad, isn't it?
     
  8. Chardonnay

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    Real sad...
     
  9. Aran

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    2D is the only client worth using. The "Enhanced" client is clearly ironically named, given that it's a steaming pile.
     
  10. omgmir

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    Yes because the classic client has so much better macro, targeting, hotkey, hotbar, inventory, map, basically every single part of the UI functionality amirite? rolleyes:

    The only reason to use the classic client is if you've been using it too long to switch because you're bad at adapting. It's not even a contest as to which offers more.
     
  11. Llewen

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    Welcome to the classic client trolls. They've played the classic client for years, and they are very comfortable with it, and any change is a huge adjustment. But they clearly haven't given the client the several weeks it would take to even start becoming comfortable with an entirely new client. So they spend their time bashing it instead.

    They don't know what they are talking about. I do. I've used both clients extensively. I used the classic client for over six years. I can state categorically that the enhanced client is a better client, and using it will improve your game. And if you have been away for a while and are coming back, now is the time to dive into the enhanced client before you get so used to the classic client again that anything else will feel like a trip to Mars.

    There are some problems with the enhanced client. There are some serious lag issues, but there is a huge patch for the client in the works, and I am confident that a lot of the most serious problems will be fixed. Once you get used to the enhanced client going back to the classic client will be like a trip to the dentist.
     
  12. Derium of ls

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    I'm sorry Masta, didn't know your OPINION is better than everyone else... I now see the error of my ways! no wait, no I don't... Classic IMHO is better because the game doesn't look like ****. I don't care if there is more options in the wanna-be-wow client, the rendering is horrid, nothing looks fluent, all actions are not smooth and awkward and the list goes on.
     
  13. Chardonnay

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    Is that suppose to be massah?
     
  14. omgmir

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    True, true, true and true.

    But come on now, if you're playing a game for graphics you shouldn't be playing UO in the first place.

    Classic doesn't look any better, in fact it looks far worse. Every single point you had about the EC applies to classic just as easily if not more. The only reason it seems better is you haven't been looking at the enhanced client for 13 years.
     
  15. Llewen

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    And how many hours have you actually played UO with the enhanced client? And I mean really played the game with it? Something tells me it doesn't even total a full twenty four hours, and it would take you at least a hundred hours of game time to start getting comfortable with a new client after the thousands of hours you have likely spent playing the game with the classic client.

    I'll say it again. You don't know what you are talking about. You looked at the client, thought it looked and felt funny because you weren't used to it and couldn't be bothered to give it a proper chance, and then proceeded to tell everyone who would listen that it sucked.

    I could be wrong, maybe you have spent a few hundred hours with the enhanced client, and you still don't like it. If that is the case, then I stand corrected, and your opinion is as valid as mine. But something tells me that the picture I've painted of your experience with the enhanced client is pretty accurate...
     
  16. I have used both Clients (as well as the other 2 failed clients they wasted so many resources developing)...


    ...I use the Classic 2d client pretty much exclusively now.

    My take on it is this:

    If you want to play UO, the way you remember it if you played before...you are not going to like the "Enhanced" client very much. The UI is different, the graphics don't look the same, and I don't mean they are similar, they changed much of the art for things like dragons, horses, etc. A dragon now looks like some kind of flying insect in the "Enhanced" client...to me. Some people like the new client...and I would probably have liked it as well if they had bothered to make certain things in the game look like they always have...but instead of taking what already existed and improving it, the "re-imagined" it. Some of the things in the new client are very nice...like the spell effects and lighting. The trees look good, even though they are in ultra low rez, the 'spacy' area around Malas looks much better, and some of the house art looks good...but blurry.

    If you are new to the game, or just don't care that the art (monsters, player items, your character, pets, etc.) looks totally different...then the enhanced client might be worth checking out.

    I was really excited when they announced the Kingdom Reborn client...because I thought that the 3rd Dawn client was terrible. Turned out that KR was a disappointment because of things I mentioned above. Then they said they were going to do the SA "Enhanced" client...and make it more like the original 2d client...it isn't really...at least not enough for me.
     
  17. Llewen

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    The art for mobiles, including characters, and the things that they wear are different. But all of the objects in the game look pretty much the same. The items you can equip and wear look pretty much the same in a pack or dropped on the ground, and in the slots on your paper doll, but they look different on the character as it is shown in the paper doll or on your toon in game. That is because the mobiles, including your character in the paper doll, are 3D models. So they had to create all the art for those from scratch.

    In my opinion some things look better in the classic client, some look better in the enhanced client. It's a matter of taste. I loved the old 2D dragons, and I'm not fond of the enhanced client dragon models. The hiryus look funny in the enhanced client. But once you've gotten used to them, they grow on you.

    The pets that had hue variations in the classic client don't have them in the enhanced client, which is a real shame. So you can't tell in the enhanced client whether you have a brown or a red dragon, or a pure black, or a long mane nightmare, or a pure or off white white wyrm, etc.

    Those are things I wish they'd fix, and maybe they will with time. The enhanced client is still relatively new, especially in comparison to the classic client.
     
  18. Derium of ls

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    please do not assume you know me and everything I do, if you FEEL I haven't then state it that way, don't state it as the truth.

    when word was coming around that clasic client was going to be canceled (forget how many years ago that rumor was) my fiance and I at the time used enchanced for over a month, and neither one of us could get use to it by any means.

    and yes classic is not great to todays standards, but everything seems fluent to me in classic. How well graphics look don't matter to me, it's how smoothly they work together.
     
  19. phantus

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    Use the enhanced client. It's a better client.

    The 2d client is for the old and slow who don't like to adapt to the new way to do things. I use 2d exclusively. I know the enhanced client is better I just don't like change.
     
  20. omgmir

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    I agree with this, dragons and nightmares and old school monster models look terrible in EC. The newer stuff isn't so bad but the original game content like ogres and trolls etc looks horrid compared.
     
  21. Llewen

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    If that is the case with you, then I stand corrected. However, I still expect that what I've said applies pretty accurately to a lot of the classic client trolls. And believe me when I tell you, a month isn't enough time to get used to an entirely new client, not when you've played with another client for years, and you've had no break from that client before you switched.

    It took me a good two months before I started to get truly comfortable with the enhanced client, and get it set up a way that worked well for me. I died a lot in pvp in those first two months, and at times I was tempted to go back to the enhanced client, but I had already seen some of the advantages, and there are things I can do with the enhanced client that I can't do with the classic client, such as use the thumb joystick on my G13 to control my movement. Those things ensured that I gave the enhanced client a proper chance before I passed judgment on it.

    I apologize if I came on a bit strong. But trolls like Aran, who are consistently negative, and often spreading misinformation, annoy me... ;)
     
  22. hawkeye_pike

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    Simple:

    If you have a 10 year old computer with no 3D graphics power whatsoever, use the old Legacy Client ("2D Client").

    If it runs on your machine, you should use the Enhanced Client. It has 10 times better functionality than the old client, it has a higher resolution, more easy to use, does not require 3rd party tools, and doesn't look like a choppy mini-slideshow.

    The EC still is beta (shame!) and has a long list of bugs, but it is stable and playable.
     
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    If you're going to go through the effort to re-learn things... Give the Enhanced client a REAL, HONEST shot.
    Here is a good guide to help you get started with the interface: http://www.spellweave.com/saclientuserguide.html

    If you totally miss the old look and feel, then you can go to the older Classic Client you remember. Heck, you can use both and switch back & forth for certain things if you want.

    Enhanced Client even has some "skins" out there that add even more functionality (buff timers, nicer colored UI, etc).
     
  24. Some of us classic client fans have computers that can run pretty much anything you want...

    i7 920 - OC'ed to 4.00ghz cooled with water
    dual Radeon 5870s
    12 GB DDR3 1600
    2 short-stroked VelociRaptors running in Raid 0 (stripped) acting as a single 120bg drive
    Win7 64bit

    I think have enough power to run the EC...

    ...I just don't because I don't like it.
     
  25. Beer_Cayse

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    This ... CC FTW
     
  26. Derium of ls

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    I can understand where you're coming from, and sorry if I came across strong as well ;)

    my main thing is that even though a lot of people do like the new clients, they pale in light of newer games out, what made EA decide to put so much effort into all of them?
     
  27. Demonous

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    2D 4 LIFE !!!!!!!!!
     
  28. Sturdy

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    I am a returning player who has recently tried both. I have come down on the side of the EC.

    The EC offers a variety of features the 2d client does not - the biggy being (for me) vastly improved inventory management. Given that UO could be accurately called "Bags Within Bags" or "Dragons & Baggage" having a grid view inventory is pretty key.

    The other big issue I had was resolution. Seven years ago my 19" CRT was perfect for UO. Now my 24" 2560 × 1920 monitor makes UO look like a iPhone App. Changing the resolution worked but it made the game look terrible.

    I did DL the 2D for use on my old laptop so I can check vendors while traveling. It does have the advantage of being a very easy to run client HW wise.

    Good luck!
     
  29. Taylor

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    I play the Classic Client (CC) most often, but I have also invested many hours into the Enhanced Client (EC). The EC has some very nice features that I miss when I play the CC: e.g., right-click looting, ease of macroing, atlas, etc. However, overall, I prefer the look/feel of the CC.

    It's a matter of preference, really. You can be a great player and have a fun gaming experience either way.
     
  30. Malador

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    It does have a better macro functionality. It has hot bars and the map is better. It also has some features not found in the classic client but the targeting sucks. The hotkeys have serious draw backs. The inventory sucks. It still does not work with certain computers. When it does work it takes way more machine than it aught to (compare it to wow). Lets dont forget it looks like **** and it makes your head hurt to look at.

    If EA had half a brain they would cut thier losses and discontinue the client. Then they would take all the nifty new features and roll them into the client everyon wants to play.
     
  31. Dakkon Blackblade

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    I remember trying Kingdom Reborn for about a week and some things were good however I personally don't care about better macros or a hotbar because UO isn't wow or anything like wow, however that doesn't mean everyone will share my opinion it really doesn't matter so use the one you like.

    Nice and just to add my rig to further reinforce Morgannas statement

    Intel Core i7 980x Extreme 3.33 ghz not currently Overclocked because it's just so rediculous as it is.
    Dual 1.8GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295
    12 gigs DDR 3 RAM
    27 Inch HD Monitor
    2 TB HD Raid style
    Creative X-Fi Titanium sound card

    Win 7 64 bit
     
  32. Derium of ls

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    hope to God you're doing HD video editing, otherwise, you got your ass suckered =/
     
  33. Derium of ls

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    also just cause I'm wondering, but what's your RAM timing at and the CAS rating?

    also if you went nuts on the specs, home come you didn't get solid State HDs? The 8gig of pointless ram is what makes me think you edit HD vids, but the lack of solid states makes me question that.

    sorry to butt in ;)
     
  34. omgmir

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    How so?
    Name one.
    This is just flatout a troll or a joke I don't know.
    This part is correct, it will not run on your commodore 64.
    This I agree with, the requirements are higher than they should be for how it looks, but saying it takes more machine than it should when the requirements are still [something built in the last 5 years] is just pointless.
    Funny I don't get headaches from playing UO maybe you should see a doctor.
    They'd lose customers if they did, including me. Sorry i'm not paying $25 a month to use an interface dated 1997 and a resolution that takes up roughly 1/8th of my monitor. The person above who compared it to an iphone app is deadon.
     
  35. I did the 12gb ram because I have to use VMware a lot for work, and it is a ram eater...in 64bit environments, Win7 (and Vista) can cache all 12gb, so it is not like those are wasted gbs...like they would be in a 32bit OS.

    Timing 8-8-8-24
    Cas Latency 8

    And I didn't do the SSD drives due to the cost vs. performance . Trust me, short stroking a pair of VRs is almost as fast as an SSD (plus I got one of the VRs free!).
     
  36. Derium of ls

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    I gotta get outtie so I'll reply longer later, I know all 12gigs CAN be used, it's just really hard to do that (certain programs like you stated). It's just with todays off the shelf comps they come with 8gigs with a 32bit system sometimes :lol:, or the CAS is at max with horrible factory timings. I'm not accusing you of not knowing what you're doing ;) just for anything other than HD editing I've never needed more than 6gigs at rare times.
     
  37. Try having a Unix environment open in one VM...running an Apache server, Windows Server 2008 running an SQL server in another VM, all on top of your existing OS in which you are running Outlook, Access, Excel, FireFox, IE, Chrome, and UO 2d...across 4 monitors.

    12gb is still not as much as I really need, so I end up having to close certain things.

    My desktop at the office has 64gb and it still chokes occassionally.
     
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    I don't edit HD videos I just went nuts on the PC because I had the money for it and I didn't want to have to play catchup in another six months to a year. Mostly I want to play an MMO but because there are no good ones currently running I have had to resort to Modern Warfare 2 and Bad Company 2.

    I had a wow account but that was mostly just to hang out with some old friends, that game is completely boring though there were times when I would almost want to pass out and fall out of my chair while questing.

    I felt like an overworked Fedex driver whenever I played wow.
     
  39. Derium of ls

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    I can't blame you at all there, and even though the next Gen of the GTX is around the corner, running two gtx295 will last you a looong time.

    As long as you didn't slack and get slow ram you should really look into trying some video editing or things as such, it's really fun and you clearly have the rig for it
     
  40. Derium of ls

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    ahh, well that does kinda go beyond the typical personal computer use ;)

    my UO is played on a 101in screen, cause I run it through my projector :thumbup1:
     
  41. Aran

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    If I wanted hideous but shiny graphics with terrible animations and stupid spell graphics and the WoW interface, guess what game I'd be playing.
     
  42. Llewen

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    Trolls Online? Oh wait, you already play that, and all you need is your web browser... ;)
     
  43. Aran

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    Just because I'm disagreeing with an idiot doesn't make me a troll.
     
  44. Dermott of LS

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    Back and forth aside (and outright trolls ignored), if you are "just coming back" after a long absence, definitely give the EC a try. If you have a monitor with a resolution higher than 1024x768, you will probably feel better playing the EC with its higher effective resoultion (both in terms of the game window and being able to see the items and artwork in the game).

    While it is about 80-85% the same as the UO you've always know, give yourself time to learn and adjust to the new 10-15% of the functionality. The new macro and hotbar system is VERY powerful WITHOUT the need for external hack programs (yes, UOA is a hack program, legal or no). But it WILL take time to learn the nuances of what is truely possible with it.

    Inventory has 3 modes to fit whatever you're most comfortable with... grid, list and freeform (classic) view.

    As stated, there is a long list of bugs that we users have compiled, but that doesn't mean the client isn't playable, it is VERY much playable and enjoyable.

    Once you get to know your way around the client, there are player-created User Interface packages and mods you can download and add (non-hack, 100% legal, but not Dev supported, so if you have any problems, you can't go to them, you'll have to go to the Modders) to enhance the EC even further from a new look to the UI to even more features (such as having your tithing points visible at all times, sextant coords under the radar map, loot intensity, Imbuing information and BOD reward information, and so on).

    If you have problems, questions, or comments, there is the EC forum here you can join in, there's a dedicated group of posters there that will help with your problems if we can.

    If you still have problems or something doesn't want to work right for you, then you always have the 2d client to fall back on
     
  45. Lord Chaos

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    Or if you want to play on a netbook or laptop.
     
  46. Beer_Cayse

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    I have not read all the responses as I see some ardent supporters of both ... so I almost know what they will say.

    I beta'd the EC. I had system issues with it initially, but now it is a preference of mine to use the CC. I dislike the EC graphics and movement and intensely dislike having to learn a new UI when I have little time to play as it is. That is my preference.

    I say to you ... try them both. They each have pluses and minuses, but it is ultimately up to YOU which is the more preferable to play.
     
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    OUTSTANDING!! Could not have said it better.:thumbup1::thumbup1::thumbup1:
     
  48. Aran

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    My laptop has more than enough power to run the EC, several instances if I so chose. It's still not on my list of installed programs.
     
  49. hawkeye_pike

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    This sounds like you never even have used the Enhanced Client. Because in most of the issues you name, the exact opposite is the case. Yes, the EC has some issues, but you listed none of them.

    Oh, you are right about one thing: Unattended macroing is difficult in the EC, because it logs you out after a couple of minutes.
     
  50. I think it can be summed up like this:

    One looks like UO.

    The other looks like UO if a 3rd grade art class created it, and the put the whole thing through a giant pixelator...with sparkly spell effects.


    You go look at the two, and decide for yourself which is which.