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What ever happed to honorable dishonorable reds?

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  1. smip

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    Someone REALLY didn't think today's quest through. I don't mind fighing and getting killed by monsters... but getting ganked by reds over and over. Where is the honor in rez killing? What ever happed to reds killing you then taking your stuff then rezzing you? ESPECIALLY when you are on an island and can't get off.

    Today I even left goodies on me just because I knew I was going to get killed. You would think they would rez after that. Riduculas.

    Very poor thought out quest in my oppinion.
     
  2. Der Rock

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    i hope the dev´s monitor what happens on the "book island" and realize why fel. WAS and IS the biggest failure ever for this game......

    PvP in UO = LOL
    You want the Power Scrolls?.......I kill YOU
    You want the double resources....I kill YOU
    You want to read a BOOK ?.........I kill YOU

    LOL LOL LOL LOL
    ;)
     
  3. Vaen Swiftar

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    No one is making you go do the quest.
    You want to do the quest, you deal with those who live in Felucca.

    The problem with people who do this quest is that they KNOW what they are getting themselves into, but they are having "invincible syndrom" until they get there. Why not go with a group of friends and fight back? It's really not that difficult.

    Or I guess you can cry, but I'm 100% sure the Developers knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
     
  4. Dermott of LS

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    They're the product of your imagination or belief from the two or three that may at one time have followed such a "code".

    Personally, I don't think I've ever expected any kind of honor from those who would camp a spot like today's book spot... I've certainly never seen it proven out... *shrug*
     
  5. Der Rock

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    because 99,99% of the player dont like to play the game you like to force them to play ;)
    this event has nothing to do with "pvp"
    people like to read the book and done.

    p.s. i had no problem to bring all my 21 char. to the book and back today
    maybe on drachenfels we have almost no ......XXX ;)
     
  6. ChReuter

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    I love comments like this... This was a code some on siege and VERY FEW on production shards played by. I know when I was up to these type of antics, I never thought about honor. This like a previous poster stated is all in your head. It never was like that on any scale whatsoever.
     
  7. Lythos-

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    And people wonder why the Devs call you carebears...
     
  8. Viper09

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    There was honor in PKing before? Why have I never noticed it, ever?
     
  9. Dermott of LS

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    In PvP, there probably is and was honor... but what happens in a case like this isn't exactly PvP, it's PKing... something rather different.

    PvPing is more about the fight, PKing is more about the killing with as little fight back as possible.
     
  10. Viper09

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    Well, ok, I was lumping PvP with PKing there. Corrected.
     
  11. Babble

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    Maybe it is UO's version of lotro Monster play?
    :)
     
  12. Well, I am not a fan of reds, but to be fair, they got screwed out of the past 2 days. Think about if the past 2 days had been in Fel. On LA, we had some great folks trying to help keep it clear, but they got whacked eventually.
     
  13. Viper09

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    Maybe the devs are trying to encourage teamwork here. And to be honest, I think PvPers have a much better sense of teamwork than a lot of other players in this game sometimes. A lot of those other players like to do stuff by themselves and when teamwork is needed, they complain.
     
  14. Vaen Swiftar

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    I'm not forcing anyone to play the game. You are forcing yourself into these situations and you cry when they don't go your way. You are the definition of a "carebear."

    You are not forced to get the book
    You are not forced to go to Felucca
    You know the dangers of doing to Felucca.

    You have to weigh your options here (****! Weighing options? You can't have everything you want?! This is starting to sound like you MIGHT have to make a choice!). Do you want to chance going to Fel and getting your pink arse handed to you on a platter, or do you want to play it safe and hug your beautiful daisy fields?

    And for the record, I'm a roleplayer. I don't do Felucca stuff anymore.
     
  15. Vaen Swiftar

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    This is 100% true. Most people who don't go to Fel have very little semblance of teamwork.
     
  16. tink'r_toiz

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    Felucca WAS UO before the creation of Trammel. We that started at the beginning grew up in that environment, without insurance and we learned to thrive. No one forces you to go to Fel but the reds are restricted from leaving fel. So, in my opinion, the devs were doing their job and providing an opportunity for EVERYONE to participate in some part of this event/quest. Trammel based players will most likely have all the other quests so I think it is fair that we give the reds this one.
     
  17. smip

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    Look. I was born and still do live in Felucca. I have my share of getting killed and killing. However, the game play that is forced on those that DON'T play that style was very poorly thought out.

    I know my way around this quest.. I did all 5 of my accounts and got killed several times. I just don't carry goodies on me any more for the unhonorable childlike people that won't rez after they gank you. Then rez kill you.

    Yes. They put healers there but for what? To get rez killed. I have other accounts so that if I get stuck I can gate my chars back. However, there are folks with only one account. To play this quest today will force them to use the "stuck" feature. Talk about useing up GM's time eh?

    So Der Rock, I do get my power scrolls, double resources and read books there WITHOUT YOU killing me. That's for sure. You are one that is one of the home grown dishonorable reds. Tisk tisk. That days of old are truly gone. :sad4:


    ChReuter:
    Shall i show you my 12 death robes from being rez killed after npc rezzing? Harrasment is NEVER good in game play. Trammel or Felucca.

    My first char to visit the island I KNEW was going to get killed. However.. I THOUGHT they would rez so we can get on with the quest. I had to put in a help call and use the "stuck" feature to get off the island. Yes it was rez killing on a HUGE scale.

    Lythos-:

    Anyone calling a Trammel style of game play "carebears" is you.... Grow up.

    Viper09:

    Maybe you started playing when the REAL Dread Lords went away... Or do you even remember those?? As I said.. now day home grown RoCkSoRs KeOoEl FoLkS.. I gAnK jOo.

    There were 2 playstyles made. Simply because some folks didn't like the now day ChIlDrEnS style of game play. Thus Trammel was born. Why they would force Trammel gameplay folks to be pushed into a pvp style is beyond me. If they wanted Fellucans to do this quest then they should have made it for both facets. Shame on them...

    As I said. I am not afraid of the Felucca facet. I still live there. I do even have a red...

    [​IMG]

    So you all can give up the "carebare" crap and think before you type. I am NOT afraid of the Felucca game play style. I am NOT interested in participateing is gang bang harrasment when folks are trying to complete a quest. I enjoy pvp SOMETIMES.. but I do have SOME honor. I do rez MOST of my kills after I loot them. And I even gate them somewhere if they need it.

    One other thing I can't stand is folks ASSUMEING what game play style I am. First thing out of their mouths come insults and childlike bashing... All I have to say is grow up.
     
  18. Vaen Swiftar

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    The answer is simple. Get some friends to help you. In your entire speech, you went on about "me me me me me me me me me." Do you know what normal people do when they want to accomplish something that will take a while to do by themselves? They get help. You should look into doing that. You'll find that MMORPGs are actually rather entertaining when you invite other people into your circle.
     
  19. Dermott of LS

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    And people wonder why the Devs call you carebears...

    Source that the DEVS said this? Just curious.
     
  20. Exactly.
     
  21. Lord Chaos

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    Even a group of people without PvP experience is little match for an experienced PvPer.
     
  22. smip

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    You know.. why the hell didn't I think of that??? Teamwork.. gahhhh what a GREAT concept... Something new no one ever said or tried before???...My God!!!! you're BRILLIANT!!!!!!

    Maybe some just don't get it..... Most Trammel folks DON'T like PvP or Pking playstyle.. thus "the call to arms" is not quite met when calling out to group.

    With that being said.. we did get a group together a few times. I stayed there for about an hour to help those that needed to finish the quest today. However, we got over ran a few times.
     
  23. Also, how the heck does anyone get rez killed these days?

    Surely you cannot be stupid enough to allow the person that JUST KILLED YOU to rez you and not expect that person to KILL YOU AGAIN... :lol:

    Come on people, use your brains.

    If you get killed, jump on ICQ or whatever you use, and get someone else to gate you or come and help.
     
  24. Vaen Swiftar

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    Actually, we understand that 100%. What we don't understand is why you go there anyway, knowing the risks, and then complain about it.
     
  25. Vaen Swiftar

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    Cal_Mythic actually said it in a letter to the playerbase. He hesitantly used the word (as seen by the context), but he used it anyway. I looked for the letter but couldn't find it. Perhaps others will have more luck.
     
  26. I will bet Cal is laughing his butt off this morning!

    Kudos Cal...I love it!!
     
  27. LOL............
     
  28. Derium of ls

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    This is UO, and in UO there is PvP and PKing that takes place. the quest only took you to a part of the game you don't like playing. You're not forced to love every aspect of the game, but this is in fact part of UO.

    And this is why Tram to me was a bad idea, it's pretty much two groups of people (tram players and fel players) playing on pretty much two different servers, on two different games anymore.

    When tram was first born people went there to do their trading, then came back to fel to live. I still think they should have just made a big town with tram rules instead of two worlds that would drive us apart.

    back to the point, YOU decided that doing the quest was WORTH the problems you would face while doing it. You make that choice while doing anything in game. So if you decided that it was worth it, why are you complaining about it? I haven't done a single quest ever, why? It's not worth my time. But you don't hear me complaining "Make quests worth MY time!!!!".
     
  29. Trammel has created a culture of entitlement in UO. Most players these days (not all of course) believe that they should be given everything and should risk nothing. Insurance made that even worse.

    Personally, I love what the devs have done here...


    ...and I suspect you are going to see a lot more of it in the future.
     
  30. Risso

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    I suppose you've never met a stealth archer with Spirit Speak before, have you?
     
  31. hawkeye_pike

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    I would not complain about this quest station being in Felucca. If you don't like the risk, you can skip this one part of the quest and lose nothing.

    Unfortunately it is true that the Felucca PvP tactics are not very entertaining or honorable, but I would not complain about that either. It has been like this all the years, we know about it, and if we do not like it we shouldn't go to Felucca.

    I've been on Felucca Skull Island today for 2 hours, having some fun with Felucca PvPers. I guess they now know that even RPers are people to reckon with in PvP. I saw all the typical tactics: Reskilling, only fighting when outnumbering the enemy, killing defenseless players who do the quest, hiding or fleeing when numbers are equal. I realized that those who boast about their PvP skills aren't invincible at all, and not even too skilled PvPers, despite their insane faction equipment.

    Anyway, we all know how things work in Felucca. If we go there, get reskilled, ganked, looted dry, we should not complain about it. The Felucca PvP system encourages this behavior, and of course most people play by it.

    It is the reason why most players avoid Felucca altogether, which is a pity. But if the PvP system isn't overhauled completely, Felucca still will be inhabited by nobody but a handful of l33t gankers a few years from now (I'm exaggerating here, but I think you get my point).
     
  32. Der Rock

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    yes thats true...but you have to consider...if such"verbal slip" may happen to often.....
    hire and fire.... cal will be fired as fast as other devs

    we dont need a hardcore ex marine swat fighter who call 99% of his pay-check customer
    carebears :)
     
  33. Lady CaT

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    No you haven't thought it out well at all!

    It's an adventure! Have some fun!
    What you NEVER ever died in trammel fighting a tough monster?

    Ok so now you have to fight the dreaded PK monster. You could *pull the covers back over your head, suck your thumb and cry and wish the world weren't so mean and why did the gods do this to you*

    -OR-

    You could grab your sword! Strap on all that buff powerful shiny armor you bought thinking one day you might learn how to use it! Then go out and actually be that brave adventurer you've been pretending to be forever and go make a name for yourself!

    (Spoiler Alert) Player Killers do DIE!

    And if after your adrenaline filled brave adventure you find yourself all ghostly looking down at your bloody body being looted by the PK monster. You can OooOOo around the Island for a long time until you find the dead npc healer looking down at his body. And then you can both scratch where your heads use to be... wondering what to do now?

    Or you can simply remember you could have been ressurected 15 minutes ago by

    Open Paperdoll > Help > Im physically stuck > select city of your choice

    Then come back to that Island and pull that sword out of your dead body! Find that PK Monster and say "Now! Where were we?"

    Now get out there little camper, dont be so discouraged, and don't let us girls have all the fun!
     
  34. smip

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    See.. you STILL don't get it.. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH DOING THIS QUEST IN FELUCCA... I LIVE THERE!!!!! I HAVE FINISHED TODAYS QUEST ON ALL 5 OF MY ACCOUNTS.. THAT IS 35 CHARACTORS WITH SOME NOT HAVEING ANY SKILLS ON THEM AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!! The quest IS worth my time to do it.

    I do NOT enjoy forceing MY game play style on somene else. To some folks, these last 8 DAYS were WASTED... to them, if they can not FINISH this quest then the last few days were a waste of time.

    Some of the folks that wanted to do this quest was not expecting it to be in felucca, stuck on an island where there was really no where to run to get away from that game play style. They were not expecting to get gang banged... they WANT to do the quest.. however there are several that WILL NOT be able to (in their eyes) because the quest is now wrecked with a game style they do not care for... THUS THEY WILL NOT DO TODAY'S QUEST LINE....

    I AM NOT whining for myself. I am complaining that the folks that did today's quest line goofed. I would not and DO NOT mind it being in Felucca. I DO mind getting stuck with no way out or off the island except to hold up the "HELP" and "STUCK" feature. GM's have better things to do than to be held up moveing people off a small island filled with a buch of gang banging reds.

    THIS is my concern.. NOT how I can not get the quest done myself today.
     
  35. Excellent post!
     
  36. dukarlo

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    Just the fact that this thread was started makes pks happy. Many people that play pks resent Trammel and The Trammy that comes to Fel for nothing other than "loot". I look at a trammy as nothing but a "carpetbagger" that needs to be exterminated each and every time they step into fel.
     
  37. Widow Maker

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    LOL. This thread is a perfect example of reverse Darwinism at it's most horrible level.

    In the new world order... bah..nevermind..I will enjoy my job in the new world order.
     
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    It's all an attempt to keep from turning Fellucca into a complete waste of space.

    LOLOLOL
     
  39. smip

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    I agree with you Hawkeye for the most. I too had some fun with them. But indeed 2 facets were made.. good or bad. EA KNEW that people didn't like the way the game was going. They lost alot of the player base when the game "feel" was changeing. When they made Trammel.. they kept alot of the player base becase this facet was THEIR "Utopia". Freedom from the gang banging RoXeR play style that we see today.

    This is why I am confused why the team would make a quest that they KNOW would force others (IF THEY WANTED TO DO THE QUEST) to do and go to lands that they have no desire to particapate in. Why set a quest line up for failure? Why not make the quest for BOTH facets if they wanted the reds (or pvp, pk sytle of play) to be involved? This is what is bothering me.

    Look. I enjoy some pvp time. God knows I've had my fill of killing and being killed. I remember the days when I mined naked and had to drag my ore piles around with me. I remember the days of the TRUE dread lords.. they were not player run people. They were the most feared npc player there was in the game before Ice Island was born.

    I just don't get that some people after reading my post STILL believe that I.. MYSELF have a problem doing this quest line today... I don't have a problem with MY charactors doing this quest. It is worth it to me to do it. I just feel for those that wasted the last 8 days of their time doing the quest line just to be stuck at this point in time. There are those that will NEVER step foot in Felucca. Period. So the team really blew something that could have been a very good thing.
     
  40. Der Rock

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    jesus,yes i just realize we arguing with gorillas :)
     
  41. Vortimer

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    Pretty much....
     
  42. smip

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    And some people STILL don't read.... being rez killed.. defination for today...

    On a small island with about 7 NPC healers... about half a dozen reds, and some blues to lure... person gets killed... person goes to npc for rez to either try to finish the quest line for today or tries to recall away IF they were smart enough to put scrolls in their runebook... HOWEVER if they are in battle they CANNOT recall away regardless.. thus getting killed again thus TRYING to get rezed by npc.. just to get killed again.... Oh and better yet... (I thought this was a very good one and laughed when my first char got on the island. Kutos for who ever thought of this one) get met by a ghost and the ghost acting like they want to be rezzed... BAM!! about 7 reds pop out to get you...

    Woops.. there goes another "help stuck" call and gets tied up in the que.


    Duahhhhh!!!!!! :loser: :wall: :bdh:
     
  43. Petra Fyde

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    I now declare this troll fest closed.
     
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