1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Greetings Guest!!

    In order to combat SPAM on the forums, all users are required to have a minimum of 2 posts before they can submit links in any post or thread.

    Dismiss Notice

What EXACTLY determines STAMINA....

Discussion in 'UHall' started by startle, Mar 17, 2010.

  1. startle

    startle Siege... Where the fun begins.
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Gilfane

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2004
    Messages:
    3,279
    Likes Received:
    1,263
    I've spent the last hour seeking an answer to how exactly Stamina is determined...

    From UOHerald I found the following:
    From the UOGuide Wiki I found:
    Interestingly, I didn't manage to find anything in any of UOStratics guides regarding Stamina (but I'm sure someone will point me to where it does, since I can't imagine it doesn't).

    I've found tons of threads that talk about increasing Stamina with "items", but they don't answer my fundamental question - which is --- If I look at my char's "stats" in the healthbar, I assume that what I am seeing is Dex - not Stamina, right?

    If my char is naked and his Dex is 115, at that point I assume that his Stamina is also 115. Is this correct?

    And what about the UOGuide Wiki quote above... ie. does Focus actually have an affect on Stamina or Dex?

    And finally, do I really need to have a calculator to see exactly what my Stamina is - by adding up all "item modifiers"? Is this the only way? (If it is, then the healthbar SHOULD actually show Stamina, not Dex, since it seems WAY more important...)

    :confused:
     
  2. GalenKnighthawke

    GalenKnighthawke Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    6,641
    Likes Received:
    1,163
    Unless there's something I don't know, which is always possible.

    At first:

    • Dex = Stamina
    .

    Until you add items that increase Stamina without increasing Dexterity.

    Focus regenerates your Stamina, and your Mana.

    When you are hit, you lose Hit Points (of course) and many hits also drain Stamina. Dexterity by contrast doesn't go down unless you change it on purpose (or screw up royally and forget to lock your stats).

    If you use the "big form" of the status bar in the 2d client you'll see both Dex and Stamina.

    -Galen's player
     
  3. Barry Gibb

    Barry Gibb Of Saintly Patience
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 24, 2008
    Messages:
    1,429
    Likes Received:
    235
    If you use the un-expanded health bar it shows health, mana, and stamina (from top to bottom, in that order).

    Stayin Alive,

    BG
     
  4. Llewen

    Llewen Grand Inquisitor
    Professional Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Campaign Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2006
    Messages:
    4,699
    Likes Received:
    200
    And the only real effect dexterity has in the game, as far as I know, is that it forms the basis for your stamina. Stamina is what has real effects in game terms. Your stamina determines your swing speed, if you run out of stamina you can't move, and if you push through something in the Felucca rules set, you lose stamina.
     
  5. Cloak&Dagger

    Cloak&Dagger Guest

    Dex affects your healing speed I am fairly sure, other wise all true.
     
  6. Aran

    Aran INFRACTION INFRACTION INFRACTION!
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend -A-

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2000
    Messages:
    14,717
    Likes Received:
    1,021
    Affects bandage speed
     
  7. Lorax_Pacific

    Lorax_Pacific Lore Master
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2006
    Messages:
    1,012
    Likes Received:
    63
  8. Harlequin

    Harlequin Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2008
    Messages:
    2,716
    Likes Received:
    32
    Basically what everyone has already said.

    Stamina is a derived stat based on dex.

    A naked character will have max stamina equal to his dex.

    Bandage speed is determined by dex. Every 20 dex improves your bandage speed to the next break level. Not affected by stamina loss.

    Also affected by dex is the ability to parry. Since it now requires min 80 dex.

    Swing speed is determined by stamina. Every 30 stamina improves your swing speed to the next break level. Affected by stamina loss.

    Other things affected by stamina includes push through other mobs in fel (need to have full stamina to do it, and it costs 10 stamina), and how far you can move while overladen.

    Since dex affects both, and the dex increase property on items is capped at +8 just like stamina incresae, it is generally better to use +dex equipment than just +stam equipment.

    Nice break points are at 60 and 120 dex. Where you gain bonuses to both swing speed and healing.
     
  9. startle

    startle Siege... Where the fun begins.
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Gilfane

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2004
    Messages:
    3,279
    Likes Received:
    1,263
    Thanks to all of you that posted... I now have a better understanding of Dex vs Stamina...

    Peace
    :)
     
  10. G.v.P

    G.v.P Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2004
    Messages:
    9,644
    Likes Received:
    831
    Looks like you found your answer, but just a word in general: UO Herald is often outdated, and UO Guide is often wrong. That's the danger of an old game in which the playerbase attempts to provide answers due to a largely inaccessible product homepage. Fortunately, stamina has not changed too much since UO began, but you had the right idea coming to the forums to figure it out. The problem is you missed the subforums! For shame!

    The Warrior's forum has stamina and everything else covered fairly well (although, someone does need to edit the anchor tags in the FAQ so they work again). Most of the pre-Mondain's Legacy information on UO Guide is stolen from UO Stratics without giving credit, such as most of the Hunter's Guide pages, and if you can't find something directly from a UO Stratics homepage skim/search, first check out the subforums, then try to search the appropriate forums here (not very fun, I know, haha), and/or check out UO Forums as well (UO Guide is better for people who already know what they're looking for but are too lazy to log in to that character to check a crafting menu, or something like that, haha).
     
  11. Lorax_Pacific

    Lorax_Pacific Lore Master
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2006
    Messages:
    1,012
    Likes Received:
    63
    You are wrong about uoguide stealing from stratics as a general statement. When ML came out uostuff.com had all the information about UOML while stratics had to "catch up". I forget if uostuff was from a person that played the beta's or a developer. My memory is shot about that detail. I think uostuff and uoguide editors made a deal for any contents.

    I'm not trying to say you are wrong specifically, but a general statement like that was wrong in regard to the Mondains Legacy. UOSTUFF.com was great a week after the introduction of ML.

    -Lorax
     
  12. Petra Fyde

    Petra Fyde Peerless Chatterbox
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2001
    Messages:
    30,882
    Likes Received:
    5,165
    If my memory is correct, uostuff.com was created by a player during the beta. It was widely consulted by players and was handed over in its entirety to JC Builder for inclusion in UOGuide when the owner of the site quit.
     
  13. Basara

    Basara UO Forum Moderator
    Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Campaign Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2003
    Messages:
    8,457
    Likes Received:
    582
    BTW, for those wanting to really buff their stamina, I suggest getting Gloves of the Pugilist (which have +8 Dexterity on them), then imbuing +8 Stsmina Increase on them as well. You'll have to make up the resists in other ways, but that will give you +16 Stamina, from the Dex & Stamina increases combined...
     
  14. Cogniac

    Cogniac Grand Inquisitor
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2006
    Messages:
    4,322
    Likes Received:
    164
    Randomly accusing UOGuide of theft and plagiarism. That's fun. And incorrectly at that! Even better.

    Another thought.

    Here's a fact: The name of Ultima Online is Ultima Online. Stratics, by way of existing before UOGuide, had this particular fact posted before UOGuide did. Does this mean that UOGuide is plagiarizing Stratics by pointing out that the name of Ultima Online is Ultima Online?

    Sometimes facts are facts and data is data. It wouldn't make any sense to randomize all of the information on a website just to keep from having the same, correct data as another website.

    Or would you prefer UOGuide be the "Ejzn83 FieAS9jan Encyclopedia?"
     
  15. Petra Fyde

    Petra Fyde Peerless Chatterbox
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2001
    Messages:
    30,882
    Likes Received:
    5,165
    uo.stratics and uoguide are both valuable resources for the average uo player.
    As Cogniac has said, facts are facts, unchangeable. Only the way they are presented can be individual.
    In my opinion the two sites complement each other and between them offer a very comprehensive knowledgebase.
     
  16. G.v.P

    G.v.P Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2004
    Messages:
    9,644
    Likes Received:
    831
    It's not an accusation devoid of fact. Just compare any old creature data on UO Guide to that on UO Stratics Hunter's Guide from that time period. The contents were copied verbatim, cell by cell.

    Here's an example:
    http://www.uoguide.com/Lizardman
    http://uo.stratics.com/database/view.php?db_content=hunters&id=229

    Only difference between these two pages is Stratics provides the reader with the fact that they took 100 readings. How many readings did UO Guide take? Oh, right, they just copied the data, never mind.

    And data is free for use without crediting the person or persons who collected the data? Bull****. For things that are always the same (RC HP for example) it makes sense, but if samples were taken and the RNG is at play, UO Guide could have at least credited UO Stratics.

    I should also note, it's more credible for a new source of information to collect new samples of data. The game is always changing, and there's no reason to copy old data except because the people who copied and pasted the cells thought it would be easier to copy a whole section of Stratics rather than just linking to Stratics, which would have been a lot more community friendly.
     
  17. G.v.P

    G.v.P Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2004
    Messages:
    9,644
    Likes Received:
    831
    Reread the part you quoted. Most of the pre-ML stuff on UO Guide is copied from Stratics. I agree wholeheartedly that UO Stuff was needed as UO Stratics failed to cover ML material, but there was a whole Hunter's Guide copied onto UO Guide and until UO Guide credits Stratics or obtains their own data the fact remains.
     
  18. Storm

    Storm UO Forum Moderator
    Moderator Professional Premium Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2004
    Messages:
    7,469
    Likes Received:
    361
    In our society its the little blue pill ;-)
     
  19. G.v.P

    G.v.P Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2004
    Messages:
    9,644
    Likes Received:
    831
    I'm just trying to get back to the source ;)
     
  20. Cogniac

    Cogniac Grand Inquisitor
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2006
    Messages:
    4,322
    Likes Received:
    164
    Emissaries from both UOGuide and UO.Stratics have already attempted to explicate the situation to you, so I won't continue rehashing.

    But as a thought: If you really care that much, perhaps you could spend less time derailing threads and more time redoing those samples yourself? UOGuide is a community-written information source, after all. In fact, so is UO.Stratics. So you could give your findings to both sites!
     
  21. Lynk

    Lynk Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 13, 2008
    Messages:
    6,032
    Likes Received:
    145
    To get back on topic... Dexterity also determines the effectiveness of Parry.
     
  22. Lorax_Pacific

    Lorax_Pacific Lore Master
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2006
    Messages:
    1,012
    Likes Received:
    63
    That is great to know, but about 5 days too late. I made a friend a suite with those and did need the extra +8 stamina, but adjusted some imbued resistances and pieces to get the resistances all 70's. He still has the stamina, but is over 180 now so it wouldn't help much. I guess I could give my friend 190 stamina. Actually I think it would be better for his suit now to add +8 mana increase. I'll see what he wants to do.

    Thanks.

    -Lorax
     
  23. G.v.P

    G.v.P Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2004
    Messages:
    9,644
    Likes Received:
    831
    LOL it's too funny, whenever I call out UO Guide, someone from UO Guide puts up an offensive. Then I provide evidence, and instead of admitting one of their "users" did indeed copy and paste, they ask me why I haven't submitted data. Maybe you are missing the point: UO Stratics already established the data, or in other words, there was no need to replicate it. Why would I ever submit information to UO Guide when Stratics already had it anyway?

    The OP couldn't find his answer at UO Guide, and so I provided the OP with some search tools and general reasons why each of the sites he went to do not work. You felt it derailed the thread because you're a UO Guide homer, I understand.

    I have contributed to UO Stratics. Mage FAQ, Fishing forum, Taming forum, and the Hunter's Guide, especially. I'm well aware of the content. I'll ask you, and JC, and all your other UO Guide submitters a question in return: in knowing you steal content from Stratics, how can you even post here, let alone promote your site? Don't you feel any shame?

    This was a dead thread; Lorax_Pacific put it back on the shelf nearly a week after I made my first post. If anyone derailed the thread, it was you guys :p.
     
  24. Petra Fyde

    Petra Fyde Peerless Chatterbox
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2001
    Messages:
    30,882
    Likes Received:
    5,165