Since I have been on siege I see all kinds of whining and complaining about players wanting a change of certain skills, mainly taming and stealth. The main reasoning I see is that people say it is not true pvp. Well I ask then if it is not what is? People, like to say that tamers are just nothing more than pvm. I disagree. To me pvp is the same as human vs human. Which that is what you are doing if the person that is controlling the pet is a human. PvM, in my opinion is human vs AI or computer. So why do people insist that you are not a true pvper if you use a tamer? Is it because tamers (pets) are too strong? I think before you start attacking a template or saying what the problem is with pvp we need to know what the definition of pvp is. Then once you have a definition of pvp, then what skills are for pvp and what is not. I would like to see other people's answer on this and please defend your answer. Just don't say it isn't pvp and leave it at that. Defend your answers! Just curious what everyone has to say on this.