People know that I am no fan of a split world (Tram/Fel), but since we have it, I think the devs should have done the following when they opened the Abyss: - Reds would have been offered a reprieve. They could go freely to and from any facet. - The ones that continued to murder after the reprieve would have been condemned to the Abyss. - Fel would no longer be a PvP area. - The Abyss would be full open PvP with no consequences (I mean, you are already condemned to hell right?) And full looting, no insurance. - Only reds would be able to place housing in the Abyss, and that would be limited to pre-made styles that could not serve as turret houses. These houses would look like prison cells. This way, those that wanted to go and get their new uberness in the SA areas would have to suck it up and deal with a little risk. What is the point of having the Abyss if it is just another goodie-two shoes area? rolleyes: Go ahead...flame away.