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What type of duped items won't go on vendors anymore on TC1?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Manticore, Apr 6, 2013.

  1. Manticore

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    Can we get a report?

    I am hearing duped resources such as xfer tokens etc... won't go there anymore. They can be bought on Atlantic vendors and just simply character copy to TC1.

    But I am also hearing event items of all types will still go on the vendors.

    Those of you who have tried can you tell is what will/won't go on the vendors?
     
  2. kRUXCg7

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    Why do duped items exist? Why does it read like duped items exist in high quantities? Why does this read like a miserable attempt at closing one door to hell? A door that should not only be closed, it's a door that should be nailed up properly and a wall should be built before it.

    On the other hand... Unfortunately we still have two very evil effects in game that were enabled to counter duping afaik: "Your spirit lacks the cohesion" talk when using moongates and the forced ultra low speed when dragging around items (like when you are sorting bods or doing plant stuff or sorting loot). I despise these two annoyances. I shudder when I think what game inflicting change against duping will come next.
     
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    I wonder what will happen, if anything, to all the people who have bought duped items and didn't know the items were duped? Hopefully it won't be like the fiasco years ago getting people banned for unwittingly buying from dishonest player vendors. I hope it will do exactly what it says it will do and make it tougher to sell duped garbage on vendors and not banish what little population is left due to no fault of their own!
     
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    Nothing will happen and the items will remain in game.
     
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  5. Winker

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    It was not too long ago they banned one of my friends for having 28 Val hammers. He bought them with gold from a vendor over the period of a year and collected them. But he was told that to own 28 Val hammers either made him a duper or he knew they were duped and bought them at a low price. He closed his other 5 accounts down and never came back.

    Thats why they wont take the items out of the game, people just leave when you take their goodies from them!
     
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    With the new Bribe System I have been able to make and sell Val Hammers so someone getting 28 of them in a yr would not be hard to do now. Strange that GM/DEV thought 28 hammers ment they were Duped.
     
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    Isn't it great that everybody knows these are Duped and still support the no-named sites that sell them.
     
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    That's odd... And part of me would question that, because back when they were doing mass bannings, I had a chance to talk with Mesanna and mentioned that I had over 60 barbed runic kits and was worried that would get me banned. She told me I had nothing to worry about.
     
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    I have a legendary tailor that I use on and off when I need equipment. I'm pretty much a newbie when it comes to filling bods. But I can tell you even being a newbie at it I was able to bribe up bods with gold and fill them to get 3 barbed kits in about 2 hours. So someone who is dedicated and has more knowledge about the bod system probably can farm barbed kits and runic hammers quite easily if the desire is there. It all depends on how much gold you are willing to spend bribing npc and buying resources to fill the bods.

    Some people like to power adventure, some like to do power crafting.
     
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    Sounds like nothing other than duped items won't be able to sell on a vendor anymore.

    Which I suppose means those people selling those items will now have to "TRUST" people to give them the gold outside a vendor when they do a transaction. Or vice versa "TRUST" that people will give you the item after you give them the gold. And with the history of scamming and thieving in ths game, I'm sure that will slow the selling of any duped items a bit.
     
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  11. Winker

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    Its was about 3-4 years ago when they were rare
     
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    Many items in game came from old dupings... Dev knew it that said items were so widespread in the general population that it was better to leave them be then hunt every one down...
    I will admit back when... I saw alot of bannings for it.
    GM's hunted down sellers of Duped items and bannings were given out like candy...
    Some deserved, while others were just the buyer who didnt know they had been scammed into a purchase that made them target for this ultimate move by the GM's and Dev.
    Those of us who have large collections like Manticore this gives usa way to discover what is duped but it also puts in to light we will now be stuck with something that in a word is not worth the pixels to own or try to sell.... Unwitting or not how much does exsist still?
    There is duping still from what I understand from scuttle in game..
    Is it true or not .... idk
     
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    Because barb kits are stupidly easy to get compared to val hammer.

    For tailor bods - there are 3 'colors' - Spined/Horned/Barbed. Because of only 3 - barb is not that hard to get. In addition, you can get a barb kit from spined/horned and barbed larges.
    For smith bods - there are 7 colors up to Valorite and val bods were insanely hard to get. And out of the val bods - you needed Val Plate 20 EX for val hammer. The percent was like 1/100,000 to get a bod you needed for hammer. In 8 years of playing before bribes I had exactly 2 bods for val hammers.

    The only way to get any number of val hammers was either cheating (duping) or by running an INSANE amount of bod runners which was usually done by scripting. There was a guy that had 6-7 accounts and scripted bod pulls across all shards. He would have a chance at 3-5 hammers a year. The rest of us only pulling bods on 5-8 characters on 3-4 shards never had a chance.

    Barb kits? I got 1-2 of those a week.
     
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  14. Basara

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    Just to give you the base numbers:

    Ignoring that higher color stuff is insanely hard to get prior to bribes:

    Before taking color, count and quality into consideration
    Tailor has 29 cloth smalls, 9 cloth larges, 26 leather smalls, 5 leather larges

    That multiplies out to
    174 cloth smalls, 54 cloth larges
    624 leather smalls, 120 leather larges

    798 total possible smalls, 174 total possible larges.

    Now, of these SIXTEEN of the 6-count larges (Spined 20 EX, Horned 10/15/20 EX, Barbed 10/20/30 EX, and Barbed 20 Normal) and TWO 5-count larges (Barbed 5-part 20 EX) automatically give Barbed kit, before even factoring in the 20-25% chance added 5 years back that a type for 1-2 reward types lower could get boosted to Barbed.

    18/174 larges, or more than TEN PERCENT of Tailor LBODs, ALWAYS give Barbed kits. That's also 106 out of 798 smalls filling them, or about 13%.


    Now, for Smith BODs.

    25 Weapon BOD smalls, 5 Weapon Larges (before count and quality)
    11 Non-combinable armor/shield smalls (before count, quality or color)
    13 Armor BOD smalls, with 3 corresponding larges (before count, quality or color)

    After adding in the other factors
    150 Weapon BOD smalls, 30 Weapon Larges
    594 non-combinable smalls with NO Larges
    702 Armor combinables with 162 Larges

    Total: 1446 possible smalls, 192 possible Larges

    ONE LBOD (with 6 parts) giving Valorite Hammers. (4 prior to Publish 19, but even then 3 of the 4 were only a partial chance of a Valorite, the rest of the time giving Verite; 60% Verite/40% Valorite IIRC). I don't think I should even have to do the math, given that there are almost twice as many smalls, 10% more larges.

    Note also that there are TWO Spined LBODs (about the rarity of Shadow or Copper Smith BODs) that Give Barbed Kits, and 6 Horned LBODS (about the rarity of Bronze or Gold BODs) that give Barbed Kits as well.

    Anyone that could think that, before bribing and getting new BODs back for ones turned in, that one could buy ~30 Valorite hammers at once and there not be dupes among them is too naive to be let access to the internet, lest they start wiring money to Nigerians or dating fictional females. Not even the legends among the BOD traders ever could amass a third that many over several months, let alone be able to immediately restock vendors EVERY TIME after selling one.

    The combined numbers (without bribes, getting a new BOD back for an old one, or beneficial random upgrades of the turn-in rewards), are that the typical crafter that holds on to smalls that go to runic-giving LBOD, should expect several (1-4) Barbed kits per month of intense pulling (getting all 3 BODs per day, especially if from more than one character over 70 Tailor), once their smalls reach numbers where you have 1+ of every Spined and Horned small, and 0-1 of each barbed barbed kit small. For smith BODs, the numbers for Smith Valorite hammers is closer to 0-4 per DECADE, even with multiple BOD pulls, and the old cross-shard trading partnerships rarely lowered it to 1-2 per YEAR.


    The chance of a Valorite EX 20 small that actually fits a Valorite Hammer LBOD is 1/2 (weapon/armor) * 1/2 (Exceptional) * 1/3 (20-count) * 1/4 (Plate Armor combinable) * 1/50 (the 2% chance of a Valorite BOD) = 1/2400. This is BEFORE factoring in that smalls are only 92% of BODS. With that, it becomes 1/2600 (ish - actual number is closer to 2608, but trying to keep math simpler). OR... about ONE VAL HAMMER SMALL EVERY 28 MONTHS, per BOD puller, at 3/day EVERY day.

    The LBOD chance is 8% (Chance of a large) * 1/2 (W/A)* 1/2 (Ex) * 1/3 (count) *1/3 (chance of an armor LBOD being plate) * 1/50 (metal) = 2/25 * 1/36 * 1/50
    The 2 cancels out, reducing the 36 to 18, so Chance = 1 /(25*18*50) = 1/(25*900) = 1/22,500! That is effectively ONE PER 20 YEARS for a single smith!

    Even with turning in smalls for new ones, that means going through, on average, 40,000 smalls turned in to get ONE Valorite hammer set, not counting the bonus that was added to get colored BODs. And, that bonus for a 120 Smith would only reduce the number down to about 1/8000 - which is still astronomical, given that it is near-impossible to average as much as 100 BOD turn-ins an hour, once you factor in the time to fill them - and assuming they are all iron (as to be easily fillable)
     
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    Anyone prior to the bribery/stack-up-to-3-pulls changes who thinks that being able to buy 28 Val hammers that WEREN'T duped is delusional... even more so if they got them from the same vendor. While they didn't dupe the items themselves, they should have understood the BOD system enough to know that the hammers were duped.
     
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    Maybe they "played" 20 hours a day on 4 accounts simultaneously? :pancakes:
     
  17. Winker

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    Regardless if they were duped or not, so many items in the game were/are duped. I had another friend who had those vine sandles on every char. Everyone knew they were duped but they still sold for stupid amounts of gold and real life cash. He never got banned for those sandals, the Dev's just changed them back to normal sandals, so why one rule for one person and another rule for another?
     
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    basara, your posts always amaze me. i always enjoy them to the nth degree. however, lets leave ND out of this. GO IRISH!
     
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    The problem is some items are made to be so rare, that when one person has an advantage in PvP with a rare item, others will go to any length to have the same advantage. If that means paying Real life cash to dupers, then so be it. I fully understand why some items need to be rare drops, but some times they tend to be too rare and too hard to get. As it used to be with the Val hammers.
     
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    First thing I would want the seller to do is put it on a vendor before I would buy it. I will buy and set up a rental vendor for the seller at my place to place it on if they have no house or vendors. If they refuse then ya know its a duped item. simple no sale for me.
     
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    Agreed. Anything relating to game mechanics should be obtainable to anyone putting in a modest effort. I think exodus drops are just about right.

    Leave the super rare for deco amd other status symbols.
     
  22. MalagAste

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    Once again Basara shows us the difference between "Rare" and "STUPID Rare".... in my opinion WAY too many things in UO are STUPID Rare.

    Sure it's neat and all but really do they honestly expect someone to constantly do something grinding away at it for 20 YEARS?????? Why should this be THAT rare?


    My fear of the whole idea of items at first not being able to be sold on Vendors ..... Hey that's fine and all... But most of us have bought sold and traded for YEARS. What happens if they take it a step further after that and say well...... We've decided to Ban Everyone with more than a dozen duped items on their account or in their house.

    Now I don't know about you but ok other than Valorite Hammers (Which by the way I don't own a single one).... I wouldn't know if I had any duped items or not. And am I going to go about and check every item I own to see if they "might" have been duped?????? Heck no... That would take MONTHS literally of constantly work.

    And another thing..... At one time I heard that it's not the hammers that are duped but the LBOD's and smalls comprising the LBODs that are duped so the Hammers themselves would actually not raise a flag at all.... Kinda creepy when you think about it..... and here's some more food for thought...... Duped Checks once cashed don't turn to duped gold..... and then put back in a check...... who's to say what you have was ever duped or not. Not that I really know anything about any of that just what I hear... and trust me on my shard you hear plenty not only bragging in Gen Chat about stuff one should NEVER say..... but in game at banks. Just sit in Vent with some of those "Big guilds" on my shard and you'll hear more than you ever wanted to about cheats and such..... enough to make you want to ban the whole lot.... Trust me I was actually in that guild for a short while until I couldn't take it anymore and wanted to just scream. It's disgusting....

    I suppose I can't be alone in thinking that if you have to cheat to "win" in a game that really isn't about "winning" that's extremely sad.... and says a whole lot about your character. If you have to justify using cheats because "everyone else uses them and you have to as well to compete"..... then you are only fooling yourself.... and if everyone else was going to jump off a cliff would you do that too? If everyone else was going to rob a bank does that make Bank Robbery "Ok"????? NO of course it doesn't.

    And finally there is the "Well it's only a Game". It may be just a game but really if everyone cheated and got everything they needed and wanted in the game all the time what fun would there be? Where would be the sense of accomplishment and success???? To some it's their social interaction.... their window to the world outside.... to some it's a link that binds them to family and friends... to some it's a stress reliever... to some it's an adventure... to some it's a shield against loneliness.... Others have written thesis papers on it... it's a study of sociology...... And what cheaters hurt is everyone else who plays and has to deal with all the blocks and changes to the game put in because some folk can't play without cheats.
     
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    Its A SAD FACT that most things in UO have been Duped and are still being duped today....just wish the devs would simply delete them...and thats the end of the matter... yes yes yes we will hear of hard luck stories galore...it wasnt my fault etc etc...... but hey!!!! u the players have bought that 2 story statue...fully knowing yes you pretty well sure it had a 99% chance of being a dupe...so no you have not had a bad deal...you took the chance and u lost.....simply the devs need to delete all dupes in one publish...end of story
     
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    Hmmmm...
    As for bods... oh btw nice run down Basara... From day 1 of the bod system I have collected on every character on every shard that first year every time they came up across 16 or so shards this on give or take minimum of 20 accounts to todays 53 accounts. With the min of 5 char per account (many have 6 and a few have 7). Not to mention the floor drops I have grabbed up for fodder... Now with bribery... I have in one sitting on Origin (btw I did ship every time i go using the shields a bod book stuffed back to there) made 10 val hammers. And I have plenty bods to make more.. good thingfor them ore carts helps with the val ore!! The only thing stopping me is that.. the ingots to make them up...
    Now you know why I was bitchen about the ore spots not changing one they reach plain ore....
    You dont want to know how many Bod books I have... nightmareish numbers ... oh and lest i forget all the ones I bought off vendors over the years when prices were on the floor and people got bored and sold books filled.. So too have i seen that first batch on a vendor a few months before the box filled with what could only at that time been duped hammers.... There were other things then bods for hammers to worry about.. the ore/ingots... I dont care how good yoru smith is there is always goingto be a few failures and the ingot count per piece .... the cost if you bought... *shudders* my time mining up that precious ore is counted in weeks not days or minutes... To make those 10 hammers took my total val ingots from 5 shards I shipped in to make them... ore that took years to accumulate up... no macro mining for me kiddos.... all hands on. soooo idk... Id be the one to be suspicious of that great a number.... a Dev or GM... that was a no brainer and it smelt like a dupping lot...
     
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    BODs are like a foreign language that i want no part of in learning....

    Thank god for vendors selling runics...


    I find it hilarious that some of the same people that complain about the overcomplexity of making armor, are the same people that have a doctorate in BODs. All i know about them is i can fill one, and give it to an npc and he might give me some reward... Same as making a base suit without anything special if you ask me.
     
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    bods are just another way to play and enjoy the game. funny, yesterday on chessy i threw all my bod books on the ground at luna bank. needed to free up some space in my house.
     
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    Unfortunatly THP if that were the case UO would close their doors after the mass exodus of players. You have no idea of the width of the spred of the duping items through history of the game... Many the dev left alone due to the over welming task of finding all of them and parting the player from it. Oh and there is nothing out there any player can use to tell if an item duped or not... unless a Dev pulled the item code out and started to examin every last peice out there.
    oh and way back when one day I had a lag spike that was soo bad when i poped back in game after loosing con I found a double bag in my main pouch... inside the original was my son's vanq..and some stuff i had looted off his coups he died and couldnt get back in game on his comp... mommy to rescue.... till i got the lag spike... well to get back to the point the bag was duped by the game. I called a GM the minute it hit me what happened. Silver vanqs were rare... so having 2 in my pouch was a big surprise. GM called a dev in and I explained how it happened.. offered to give the second bag to the GM but was told to keep it. The Dev said for giving them such an accurate discription for the dupe and reporting it promply I could consider the double a freebe from the game.
    Vanqs are long gone.. so it wouldnt effect that in the slightest but what of the hundreds of player items in hand that are unwittdly being in use? The users have no idea...
    Some are stupid dupes.... others well........
     
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    where the hell was i when you dropped the books! hahhahahahaha

    I dont havea degree in Bod ology... i am the same little old lady I was when I started this game.... I can teach Taming in my sleep..... every craft I know inside and out and could give lectures on it. My knowlage on what gives what in the bod department... zip...
    I depend on Tower of Rose's list to help there.. Hey I mannage 53 accounts full of Characters. I know who does what, names etc... who owns what.. and thats enough for most.
    If i was back say in 97 I might have memorized the bod list and rewards for them... like i did the crafting lists...
     
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    I hear you there.... I have 9 accounts and it's enough to remember who's on what account what the names and passwords are let alone bods.... though you could say I know enough about ever skill in game to teach it to most..... from Anatomy to Veterinary..... If it's a skill I've mastered it to 120 or GM..... All but one skill... taming...... which I'm forever working on about 20 tamers. I start new tamers all the time..... constantly working skills..... I don't have time for duping or cheat..... I'm too busy trying to play the game... and reach my ultimate goal....

    I suppose everyone has goals in game and depending on what those are some I guess are willing to cheat to get there. ... can't really say you achieved anything though thru cheating.... Guess some don't see it that way.

    And THP... I've often thought that myself..... but sadly within a short while there will be a whole new stockpile of dupes to take the place of everything deleted... One reason for that...... some folk see UO as an income.... if it were no longer profitable then they would quit and move on to some other game to destroy. Take that income away and they will leave. But good luck with that.
     
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    My point exactly. Everyone has their knowledge in certain areas. I could rattle off to you the imbuing intensity of every mod, and how to best layout your suit to maximize all potential properties for any given template.

    Yet others scream "make this simpler! zomg! it is overcomplicated!" and live with 100lrc/40lmc/70s resist.

    I could say the same about bods... heck, i don't know crap about taming for instance, i rely on others who do have that knowledge to take care of it for me. yay for community!
     
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    To my knowledge I have zero duped items, but I don’t wish the devs to delete the duped items people do have, for the simple reason it would make people leave the game. Take something away from someone who has worked hard to achieve it and they will just give up and stop paying their Subs. Most people who own duped items don’t have a clue the items are duped. Some do know exactly what they are buying, but many take it on face value that the item is genuine.
     
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    OMG another hoarder. I have 76 vendors on one shard filled with BOD Books and bags with BOD Books to be filled all over my Castle floor.
     
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    Anyone who as purchased the known duped items aka the 2 story statues , the scafolds, and many othrs...[see the vast list on this very forum]...will have had a pretty good idea that the item they are buying had a very very good chance of being a dupe....end of!!

    So at least we can ask a player to pop the item we wish to buy on a vendor from now on....just to see if it will go on the vendor....b4 we buy it...would be like a ''dupe checker''...if it works that is...

    Deffo a step in the right direction.........

    AND AND AND people can also check there own rare items in there museums to see if they have indeed been .....''duped'' with a ''dupe'' by a ''duper'' !!!!
     
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  34. Lady Storm

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    Well THP you would be surprised how many of the originals are still out there... non duped that is. 2 story statues.
    Frodo my dear, horder no ... collector or fine goods... yes
    I use everything, heck you dont get where I am today on good looks alone!
    Wheeling and dealing on small and large scale.. built my empire...
    (actualy a friend from 97 bet me who wouldbe the last one out the door with the most toys..... he quit years ago. Even thougth we are not out the door yet...Does that mean I win...?)
     
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    There's no way it's working as intended.

    (my tests)
    2 non-replica gladiator collars (Originally only 1)
    1 non-replica LT sash
    1 non-replica +20 stealth cloak
    1 non-replica Captain John's Hat
    1 non-replica Ari shroud
    18 Slithers (spares) All obtained from the same places... Medusa/events...

    Out of all those items, only 1 item wasn't place-able on a vendor, It was the slither I had equip. kind of weird, considering I farmed every single slither I have, myself.

    The only way one of my slithers were to be a "dupe" is if there's a bug with character copy while a talisman is equip.
    or maybe it's because I copied the same character to TC more than once (with different items).... more testing is needed.
     
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    how can u tell whats duped and whats not....theres been 1000s of duped items......everyone in the games is gonna say..hey mines a real one...Hell the person who sold it me said so!!
     
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  37. Winker

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    Well lets be fair as long as its just Deco, who cares? Its not like a piece of Deco is going to make your character over powered or give you an atvantage at an EM event or in PvP. So let them buy and sell Deco thats been duped to there hearts content.
     
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    Its not just deco though is it...the high end armours...some uniquie too!!are all the the known duped list....will be very interesting if the Devs can get his to work
     
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    I agree, some of the many duped items are game changers like the Vine Cord Sandals. But wht do you do? If you zap them like they did with the vine cord sandals peope leave.

    The problem is not the Duped items, its the fact the Devs make somethings so supper rare that most people have zero chance of obtaning one without buying Dupes. Maybe they should just make it so we could buy these items from the UO store and turn the game into a pay to play
     
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    At first I wanted to agree with you that some items are way too rare. I pay a monthly fee, let me hunt it from a champion or a peerless monster, goddamnit. If I want to buy it with R/L money, I could as easily buy it from another player! Mythic / EA are no single bit more "ethical" nor is it even slightly morally superior. :rant2: No offense meant, but I see no difference other than Mythic / EA could sell an indefinite number of said items. :rant2: I want a game that is meant to be played, not a game that is like a picture that you have to build, not a game like a mosaic puzzle, where you have to buy 50% of your mosaic pieces individually. :rant2:

    That being said, when's the next 50% discount week on Origin Store? Pentecost maybe? Yes, yes?
     
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    I think it's kind of funny...I mean, I understand the place Manticore is coming from, but really, we can ask all the questions we want, the devs aren't going to break it down for us...because...then the cheaters will just use that to try and circumvent this or that...so...okay, I understand rare collector's being worried about how it'll change the transfer of rares, and there is that great question about whether or not duping val hammers helped or hurt the game....but...well...duping is and was never a real answer for solid change, it only rewarded the cheaters. Meh.

    I guess what I'm thinking is, "thanks, EA, wish you started the discussion when AOS came out."
     
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    Just.....tag....them....duped!
     
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    Just......delete....them....ingame!
     
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  44. budman23

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    Since i shop at vendors often i can understand how basically anything could at this point be duped.
    Do i believe in deleting all the duped items out of the game? No not really, i dont see how it would help. Its not like were talking a couple years worth now. This is a very long stretch now.

    I sincerly believe more time needs to be spent on this solution. I also believe this is a step, i will even call it a good step.

    The real duping will obviously at this point in game be focused at the highest end items. The problem that needs to be addressed here is being able to sell those items while now having the
    protection of the vendors service to prove it is not duped. However if an item costs more than 175 mil you are currently s.o.l.

    Kind of ironic, when they finally offer protection the items they protect arent worth duping anyways.
     
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    Unfortunatly, this would cause more damage to the innocent that bought items for Gold not or knowing maybe a Little about it possibly beeing duped than helping getting rid of the DUPERS who already made prolly gazillions Gold with it that wont be deleted...

    Figure you spent that 100 Million for your 140 Luck Conjurer's garb and get a message at the next log in that it got deleted because it was produced by illegal technics..
    This woud be the solution for you?

    Figure how many innocent would be hit by that - if you tag the item -Duped- and make it not sellable anymore on a trade Window or on a vendor.

    To DELETE it droping it wont work either - what if i want to lock it down i my house?

    Sure a TOTAL CLEANUP OF DUPES sounds "easy" but you always have to be Aware of the consequences...at least if you care for other Players ;)
     
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    As Covenant elluded to, this 'fix' seems like an attempt to pacify the angry horde, rather than actually 'fix' anything. My tests show confirmed duped items having no issue being placed on vendors. My tests also have a fresh hat of the magi not being able to be placed, fresh as in 2-3 hours old. I have 2 character transfer tokens purchased from Origin.com , only a few weeks ago, neither can go on a vendor.

    This is obviously not functioning as intended. The fact they decided to include it the way they did with a few days testing on test center has me more reminicent of the "axe the retreive container" than of [insert properly deployed system in the last 3 years.. i'll wait]

    Really, test this, I don't use vendors so it's not really going to impact me but I'm sure a lot of people who don't bother with this corner of the internet are going to be thinking wtfmate.

    I'm starting to really think we need a new dev team. I don't carry torches or pitchforks, and they've done a lot well, but this is a big thing to mess up. As are most things when they do mess them up, it always feels rushed, like they need to put content out to keep the suit and tie above them happy. Just give us a healthy game, and spend more time testing please.

    Goodness.
     
  47. Lord Frodo

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    IMHO I think this is what UO is going after, DUPED TOKENS. There is only one place to get the code that create these and that is from UO only. Those other sites are selling Tokens only, no code, for less $$$ or at the same price and UO does not sell codes at a discount to other sites or everybody would have thier own site to do this. People buy these and sell them on vendors to make UO gold, now they will have to sell them in Gen Chat. If UO can detect a Duped Token then I will not be surprised when people try to use a Duped Token one of these days that they get a message it is duped and being deleted or when you try to Xfer them off Alt that you get the same message. This will hurt those no name sites where it counts, in the wallet. EA is losing a lot of real $$$ to these sites and it looks like they may be working on ways to shut them down without banning all thier accounts, LOL.
     
  48. Oops

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    I agree I'm sure they don't like duped tokens. What do you think about my legit tokens not going on vendors? Is that a fair casualty of what realistically is an unwinnable war.

    All of you aged vets remember the CC fraud 90 day gametime codes that used to get peddled around in the early-mid 2000s. That didn't go away, Origin.com is just a better platform then previous, but you can guarantee that a bunch of the tokens you see in the game are from CC fraud. It takes weeks, up to months for a transaction to be flagged and investigated as CC Fraud, so by then that code string tied to the purchased tokens is already used.

    CCP does battle with this all of the time in Eve, since the market is stable, healthy, and there's a focus on the betterment of the game.

    If you shift the game back to 2003 prior to the duping of tokens, you would still have the same situation, but the means of obtaining the token are different.

    If you want to talk about the legalities of receiving stolen property when it comes to an in-game intangible, with companies legally formed in safe haven countries, I'd be interested in that discussion as well.

    Point as it pertains to this , is that this was not implemented right at all. At. All.
     
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  49. Bleak

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    Please email [email protected] with the character transfer codes you received from Origin and the account name in which they were applied. We will investigate once we receive this information.
     
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    There you go Dev to the rescue!
    Now I would not doubt it is to find if duped tokens are out there.... Far too many were poping up over the shards and I do mean tons.
     
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