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What Will You Do For Bulk Purchases After The Faction Vendors Are Deleted?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Tina Small, Jan 3, 2014.

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After Virtue vs. Vice is added, how will you buy items previously purchased from faction vendors?

  1. I plan to join VvV for PvP and will have strong characters that can buy from encampment vendors.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. I plan to join VvV with a stealther who can buy from encampment vendors.

    6.5%
  3. I plan to pay cash to buy reagents, bottles, boards, or iron ingots in bulk from an online broker.

    3.2%
  4. I plan to pay gold in-game to buy reagents, etc. from other players' vendors or Magincia stalls.

    16.1%
  5. I plan to pay gold in-game to buy reagents, etc. at the normal price from shop NPCs.

    29.0%
  6. I plan to loot reagents and empty bottles from monster corpses and chests.

    12.9%
  7. I plan to loot spell scrolls from monster corpses and dungeon barrels.

    6.5%
  8. I plan to mine sand and make my own empty bottles.

    12.9%
  9. I have plenty of reagents/bottles piled up now. Not worried about running out soon.

    19.4%
  10. I have plenty of spell scrolls piled up now. Won't need to make more any time soon.

    9.7%
  11. I have so many potions piled up now that I'm not worried about running out of them any time soon.

    9.7%
  12. I haven't given any thought to this issue yet.

    19.4%
  13. I am concerned about the impact of this change on myself and/or other players.

    9.7%
  14. I am unconcerned about the impact of this change on myself or other players.

    45.2%
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  1. Tina Small

    Tina Small Stratics Legend
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    When the Virtue vs. Vice system is implemented, it appears that there is a very strong likelihood that players who don't participate in that system but who currently rely on the existence of faction vendors for purchasing magery reagents, empty bottles, bulk wood and iron ore will need to use other means to acquire such supplies.

    According to the "in-concept" thread about the Virtue vs. Vice system which Mesanna started in July (http://stratics.com/community/threads/in-concept-virtue-vs-vice.301505/), all existing faction vendors will be deleted when this new system is implemented.

    The new system will include a small encampment "in the overworld" for each of the two sides in the system and that is where you will find the replacements for faction vendors.

    There is no information in the thread regarding how many of each type of vendor will exist in these encampments. However, the thread does say that the encampments will be smaller than the existing faction strongholds, so it's not clear just how many vendors they could hold.

    The thread also doesn't say whether the vendors will restock themselves over time at doubled amounts (the current method) with the same price, or if they'll always sell in quantities of 500 and the price will just keep increasing over time as the purchased quantity increases. Also, there's no way to determine at this point whether all purchases will draw from gold piles in your bankbox or if you will have to carry gold to make smaller purchases. (I'm assuming purchases of these types of supplies, as opposed to purchases of "gear," will be made using gold and not something else such as silver.)

    The thread says that there will not be any kind of rankings in the new system, so it doesn't sound as if there will be anyone on each shard who will have any ability to affect the number of vendors selling things like reagents and bottles in each encampment. In other words, if there's only one vendor for each type of item, that's all there will ever be.

    There is also no indication in the thread regarding whether the purchased items will land in your character's backpack in loose form or as commodity deeds.

    There is also no information in the thread regarding whether or not there will be banking NPCs in the encampments.

    It's also not clear what is meant by the term "in the overworld" as far as trying to figure out where the encampments are. Are they going to be in T2A or in Felucca? Will you only be able to walk to/from the encampments?

    Another issue affecting the use of these new encampment vendors is that there will only be two sides in this new system. This means there is a strong possibility that folks who normally would not ally themselves with other folks on the shard could be thrown together on the same side in this system. As a result, I can imagine there will be a lot of shenanigans involving players who are forced to be on the same side attacking each other every chance they can do so without any serious repercussions. There will be a "traitor penalty" that will apply on the Virtue vs. Vice battle fields and in the encampments if you attack another character that is on the same side as you. This "traitor penalty" is described as a debuff that will have dire negative effects on skills and stats. However, it doesn't sound as if the debuff is guaranteed to kill the traitor that initiates an attack on another character that is on the same side. I seriously doubt there will be any kind of a guard zone in the encampments. So, if you plan to buy your supplies from the encampment vendors, the environment in which you do so has the potential to be a very hostile one and you could lose any gold (or silver?) you bring in to make purchases and, depending on how the purchased supplies are delivered to your backpack, could also easily lose your purchased items.

    So, given all of the above, I'm wondering what other players are planning to do with respect to items they currently purchase from faction vendors (e.g., magery reagents, empty bottles, wood, and ore)? I've thrown together a poll to try to get an idea of how Stratics readers feel about this issue at the present time, given the information we've currently been provided. I've probably overlooked some possible reactions, so don't hesitate to add your own comments and thoughts below!
     
  2. Mithryl Elves

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    I am good on regs, bottles, etc:) I don't think that I can ever run out.
     
  3. Thrakkar

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    Is this really an issue? I do not think so.
    Never ever I bought something from a faction vendor.
    But I bought tons of stuff from ordinary vendors. Reagents, scrolls, bottles. In bulk. The old fashioned way. Waiting the 20 minutues for restock.
    And as for crafting materials, I mine ore and I chop wood.

    So it doesn't affect me in the slightest.
     
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  4. hen

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    I use faction vendors to buy regs for my scribe and alchemist so YES IT IS AN ISSUE.
    I'll just hit Ocllo and work up the cashuals when I have the time.
     
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  5. kaio

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    I buy reagenst for my alchemest, scribe also..so i can sell recall scrolls and potions on my vendor :)
    I'm such a great help for factions :)
     
  6. Obsidian

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    I didn't know there was such a system...

    Thus it will have no impact on my gameplay.
     
  7. Viper09

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    It's kind of hard to be concerned and prepare over a system that is merely "in-concept" and not even in the testing phase. The only information we are provided are rough details, far from a detailed outline of a finished system. For all we know, when the system is done there will be a good enough equivalent to faction vendors. If you are honestly concerned over the initial details that Mesanna has posted, add them to the thread as Kryonix has requested:

     
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  8. Tina Small

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    I DID ask a very specific question back on June 8th regarding whether or not there would be a replacement for the faction vendors, especially the reagent and bottle vendors. You can find my question near the bottom (4th question from the bottom) of this post here: (http://stratics.com/community/threa...-replacement-to-factions.300444/#post-2278888 ).

    Interestingly, that laundry list of questions I posed in June was later used as the basis for the Q&A section in the last half of Mesanna's July 3rd post which kicked off the Virtue vs. Vice "in-concept" thread!! In fact, my original June question ("Will there be any kind of replacement for faction vendors, especially of the reagent and bottle type?") is included as the 5th question from the bottom of her post. Mesanna answered my question as follows: "Yes, they will be located within the encampments for each team." (http://stratics.com/community/threads/in-concept-virtue-vs-vice.301505/ )

    Do I really need to put another post in that thread asking the same question again? In my opinion, the question of whether or not the faction vendors will be replaced with something else has very clearly been answered. I'm pretty sure that if I did ask it again in that thread, someone else who actually did read the majority of the thread would ask me if I bothered to read the first post, where my question was asked and indeed answered.
     
  9. Viper09

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    You really get riled up way too easily, Tina. All I did was post my own opinion and I obviously have no intention of following your history of posts on the topic, so don't expect me to know it.

    My point was short and simple. The system is not even in the testing phase and given Kryonix's comment, there are still changes and alterations being made to it that will be made more clear as the discussion continues and when/if it even makes it to testing. Because of this, I find it hard to be even remotely concerned about a system that is far from finished.
     
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  10. Tina Small

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    I guess we have different concerns then. I've been wondering about what would replace faction reagent vendors ever since I heard, back in 2012 I believe, that the dev team was even considering a replacement to factions. I have a lot of scribe/alchemist characters scattered on a bunch of shards that I haven't finished training inscription or alchemy on and I am just trying to prepare myself for what is going to happen next. I am not a long-time vet player that has the luxury of owning shard shields to let me easily/cheaply transfer reagents from shard to shard nor do I intend to pay RL money to a broker to buy reagents. I wondered if other people were in the same boat as far as still needing to train inscription and alchemy or if they are selling lots of potions and spellbooks. I've been focused on training imbuing, tailoring and smithing on my far-flung crafters, but I guess now I need to switch gears and drum up a ton of gold to start buying up cheaper regs from the faction reg vendors while they still exist. It's a task I hate doing because it's so tedious and boring, but I guess there's no real alternative other than pouring lots of gold that I don't really have or have an abundance of time to gather into buying regs from NPCs. Most of the shards I have those characters on are what many people consider "dead" shards and it's pretty much impossible to find player-run vendors selling bulk regs.

    I guess the alternative is to just give up and flee to Atlantic.
     
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  11. Goldberg-Chessy

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    I don't see any issues at all.

    I mean how have non faction players been getting these items all this time? Nobody seems to have had any problems at all.

    Times change. That's UO and that's a good thing imo.

    No offense Tina but based upon your own posts the thing you crave most in UO is an exact and detailed knowledge of everything. That is fine and well but not always possible. You just cant know everything all the time. Especially when we are talking about things that haven't even happened yet.

    No matter what anyone thinks the devs have zero obligation at all to divulge any information about future gameplay. They give what they give and we deal with it. People may rant about customer service but TOS is quite clear and the nature of the game lends itself to a bit of secrecy. Be happy with what you are given or not be happy. Its up to you :)
     
  12. Tina Small

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    I'm really confused as to why you and Viper are getting the impression that I'm asking the devs to divulge any kind of information about future gameplay. Did I ask anywhere in my initial post for them to do that?? No, I am simply asking what other players intend to do about purchasing items they now purchase from faction vendors after those vendors are no longer available.

    You guys really need to start reading things more carefully and quit jumping at every opportunity to be trolls.
     
  13. virtualhabitat

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    I care. I use faction vendors -alot.

    In the Virtue vs. Vice thread I asked (post #8) what was to become of the faction vendors and if a bank would be available as boards, ore and bottles are heavy/bulky items. Kryonix answered (post#223) thusly:

    Doesn't exactly provide details, but at least it's crossed his mind.
     
  14. Viper09

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    Excuse me? I never once said you were asking the devs to divulge any kind of information. My posts are pretty darn short and represent nothing by my own opinion in response to the question you posed in this thread (as you already previously acknowledged). Perhaps you should go back and re-read them if you're confusing mine with Goldberg's. While doing so, I think you may benefit from your own advice by reading more carefully before jumping to conclusions...
     
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  15. Tina Small

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    You're right. I'm sorry for what I said about you. :(