1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Greetings Guest!!

    In order to combat SPAM on the forums, all users are required to have a minimum of 2 posts before they can submit links in any post or thread.

    Dismiss Notice

What would it take fo you to give siege a try?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Tiberius, Mar 1, 2010.

?

Should siege get insurance and prodo skill gains?

Poll closed Mar 31, 2010.
  1. no tram, insurance and gaining skill as i do ever where else would be sweet.

    21 vote(s)
    22.8%
  2. No way in hell would I ever play siege; I love trammel.

    23 vote(s)
    25.0%
  3. Leave siege alone; it's just fine like it is.

    48 vote(s)
    52.2%
  1. Tiberius

    Tiberius Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2008
    Messages:
    2,269
    Likes Received:
    47
    I am of the mind that adding 5x-10x insurance and changing siege skill gains to operate how they do on prodo would be quite draw. No tram, No selling to NPC, No char transfers, or advance char tokens, and Fel rules in all facets; could be pretty cool imo.
     
  2. Sprago

    Sprago Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend IPKU

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2006
    Messages:
    1,768
    Likes Received:
    169
    hell no no insurance
     
  3. Heartseeker

    Heartseeker Guest

    Nothing.

    I want a real, Classic Shard.
     
  4. Tiberius

    Tiberius Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2008
    Messages:
    2,269
    Likes Received:
    47
    I would be all over that.
     
  5. Heartseeker

    Heartseeker Guest

    I can't wait personally.

    I tried a free shard and it was a blast.

    To have a properly run one would be awesome.

    I have a feeling it might happen.
     
  6. Storm

    Storm UO Forum Moderator
    Moderator Professional Premium Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2004
    Messages:
    7,469
    Likes Received:
    361
    I would like to place a house there ! Without my other house going bye bye!
    Then i would play there
     
  7. Damien Softstep

    Damien Softstep Visitor

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2009
    Messages:
    1,048
    Likes Received:
    0
    Bad idea then SP housing would be full from all the prodo people placing houses and not playing SP...
     
  8. hen

    hen Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    1,709
    Likes Received:
    420
    A healthy population.
     
  9. Venus_AUPK

    Venus_AUPK Guest

    a ping under 100
     
  10. Storm

    Storm UO Forum Moderator
    Moderator Professional Premium Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2004
    Messages:
    7,469
    Likes Received:
    361
    yes but if you make the houses not auto refreshed then any who dont come there the houses would fall!

    either way I was just stating why i wont play there! I am way to used to have more than 125 storage!
    ot if they made bank storage for sp 1200 or so i might consider it!
     
  11. Damien Softstep

    Damien Softstep Visitor

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2009
    Messages:
    1,048
    Likes Received:
    0
    So logging into SP once a month?Its a horrible idea sorry...
     
  12. Bombastic Fail

    Bombastic Fail Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2008
    Messages:
    1,514
    Likes Received:
    112
    Only thing that has ever stopped me is the ROT system. 6 months for a character? No thanks. rolleyes:
     
  13. kelmo

    kelmo Old and in the way
    Professional Stratics Veteran Alumni Dread Lord

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    17,379
    Likes Received:
    4,698
    ROT has changed a bit... Just so you know.
     
  14. aarons6

    aarons6 Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2007
    Messages:
    1,897
    Likes Received:
    31
    it would take owning a house there or unlimited bank.
    since i have a house on my main shard i dont play my siege guy as he ran out of space.

    siege should have tc housing rule but not auto refreshed like regular shards..
     
  15. Bruin

    Bruin Guest

    It's gotten better now. About 100 days at an hour a day you can have a 6x120 no matter what skill.
     
  16. Lady Michelle

    Lady Michelle Sprite Full SP
    Stratics Veteran The DarkOutlaws, TDO

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    2,451
    Likes Received:
    1,113
    Would you go for this if they allowed you to place a second house on the classic shard if they had no customized housing no auto refresh making you refresh the house every week by opening the door? Now lets had a twist here there is no private settings to keep others out of your house you need a house key to get in, and lock the door before someone kills you and takes the key. If someone does kill you they take your key. The house becomes theirs and everything in it will automaticly transfer to their account once the door is unlocked and relocked by them.
     
  17. Unsatisfied

    Unsatisfied Guest

    It doesnt have to go all the way back to that ruleset, those rules were changed before the implementation of tram, and custom houses etc... and even if it did go all the way back to that there were simple ways to keep your keys secure, a vendor on the steps with keys on a key ring "not for sale" for example... only idiots or careless people lost their house.

    and to answer the original SP question. Nothing. SP has its purpose... a classic shard is whats needed to bring me back to EA
     
  18. popps

    popps Always Present
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2004
    Messages:
    13,445
    Likes Received:
    461

    How about, making it a mixed system ?

    That is, have insurance during the time players build up their template but them, as soon as a player reaches, say, 110 skill in, say, 4 skills or more, then the character would no longer be able to insure items.

    The idea is, to allow players some relative safety while they grow on the shard but then, once they have developed enough, they have to face the riskier shard......

    just an idea.
     
  19. Without the ability to place a house on Siege without my primary residence falling, the PK's of Siege will never see me there. The only char I would play would be a crafter, which you can't play out of a bank box very well.
     
  20. Aurelius

    Aurelius Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2004
    Messages:
    2,756
    Likes Received:
    689
    Since I don't enjoy PvP, I doubt Siege would ever attract me much - but were I to want to start PvP, the main reason I'd not go to Siege is time. I have far too much I enjoy doing on my home shard already, and a long list of things I mean to try. I simply would never have enough playing time to split between two or more shards, and I've no inclination to abandon the friends, characters and homes I have already.
     
  21. Same here.
     
  22. taglol

    taglol Guest

    I'd play "Siege" if there was a server closer to my location. I tried Siege but couldn't stand the lag.
     
  23. Sprago

    Sprago Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend IPKU

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2006
    Messages:
    1,768
    Likes Received:
    169
    so if siege took out there rot system would people play it? personally i think they should remove rot

    also i could see placing a secondary house but have strict rules like gotta log into your character at least once a week to refresh your house *if its not primary* i wouldn't mind something like that
     
  24. young player on SP doesn't sound to bad.
     
  25. Kat

    Kat Crazed Zealot
    Stratics Veteran TnT/TnA

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    3,272
    Likes Received:
    425
    I would support a 30 day young status for new players to Siege. I don't see a problem with it at all.
     
  26. Rothen

    Rothen Guest

    I think the 30 day young status for new players is the best idea I have heard so far to attract prodo players to Siege. I'm still new to Siege myself and I just run one account. So placing a house on Seige is a big commitment for me. Losing your house on the prodo shard you came from isn't that big of a deal to me, it is the contents in it. Too bad if you place a house on Siege, the contents of your other shards house couldn't go into a storage crate.
     
  27. Santa Claus

    Santa Claus Visitor

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2008
    Messages:
    42
    Likes Received:
    0
    Isn't Siege terribly unbalanced?
    As far as I understand the current UO things are meant to be played with very good armor (enhanced) and weapons.

    So is not Siege basically damage imbalanced or do enough enhanced or good armor pieces drop to make up for it?
     
  28. Sargon

    Sargon Seasoned Veteran
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Campaign Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2004
    Messages:
    432
    Likes Received:
    64
    I truly think that Siege should become the classic shard, with some rule changes of course. Adding a completely separate classic shard would decimate what remains of the Siege population and it would no longer be a viable server. I just don't know how the classic conversion could be done effectively, what would happen with everyone's existing items, and whether players would be willing to return to play a pre-populated server.
     
  29. Smokin

    Smokin Guest

    Yeah having a house there and not screwing one other house, would be good. Also 2 chars per account would be nice.
     
  30. Izzy MBC

    Izzy MBC Journeyman
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Campaign Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2003
    Messages:
    112
    Likes Received:
    42
    Guess I'm not so hard hit as your predicament, because although I'm not a PvPer (Completely PvM), I want the threat of it pushed at me. Sounds stupid, but there's nothing like shatting yur pants, and pegging it, heart thumping wild, to evade that Red name scattering around on the side of the screen - probably homing in on you at blazing speeds ^^;;

    A lot of the folks I knew have left Europa now, and moved on, so I personally could handle raising a character each on two Servers. The house issue is off putting though, I'd like one on each shard, whether manual refreshes are needed or whatever...

    I seriously want "real" danger in a game, where dieing matters. Sure, it'll get frustrating at times, but I really think it'd be well worth it. After some odd Felluca experiences over the years, I sincerely believe that.
     
  31. Zyon Rockler

    Zyon Rockler Guest

    Maybe they could turn the Inns into personal space where you could own a chest, like an extra bank box, kind of rent the space. Maybe so much would come out of your bank box and when you run out the box becomes open to everyone.

    Or, maybe house boats, a boat with a little box house on it, where you have a door you can lock and unlock and inside you have lockdowns and secure chests. They would have to be refreshed once a month.

    I think what would allow me to play Siege would be a living space of my own because that's what really makes UO and gives it that overall edge. It's kind of like one of the things you need to grow, you start out with nothing and end up with a big house and a whole lot of stuff and gp.

    :danceb:
     
  32. Aran

    Aran INFRACTION INFRACTION INFRACTION!
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend -A-

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2000
    Messages:
    14,717
    Likes Received:
    1,021
    It would take me logging in.

    Oh, that reminds me, time to get my RoT...
     
  33. Storm

    Storm UO Forum Moderator
    Moderator Professional Premium Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2004
    Messages:
    7,469
    Likes Received:
    361
    Exactly my point of view!
    Tho not siege I just created a new garg imbuer on pac and am not even half way to my skill cap and my bank is full!
    and i wont give up my ls house to put a house on siege to just run 1 toon in the game!

    a non auto refreshed house that needs refreshed every 2 weeks would seem fair to me!
    that or simply increased storage for the bank ! for the ONE toon!
    shoot I would even be willing to pay a one time fee for the increase on siege to be able to play!

    The fact is to try and play there with low storage is not nor ever will be a option for me!
     
  34. Amren

    Amren Journeyman
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2008
    Messages:
    221
    Likes Received:
    0
    None of the above.

    I would however, play it if it was a true classic server. Right now, there is not a whole lot that makes siege worth starting over for.
     
  35. Sneaky Que

    Sneaky Que Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2006
    Messages:
    2,009
    Likes Received:
    41
    No AoS item system!!! That is why SP fails as being both a classic and a vet shard.
     
  36. Kat

    Kat Crazed Zealot
    Stratics Veteran TnT/TnA

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    3,272
    Likes Received:
    425
    There was a long while where Siege was incredibly imbalanced, but a lot of those situations have been corrected by the dev team. With the addition of Imbuing came even more balance because higher end armor and weapons can be made to keep up with todays gameplay. The main thing Siege requires is a little different mindset and the ability to make gold, because without insurance you have to have the ability to either buy back items you have lost or the ability to replace them.

    Even if you do not create an imbuer, there are crafters who sell or will custom make items for you and most guilds have imbuers that will work with guildmates to keep ya equipped!

    I've been on Siege for five years and I have to say this is the most balanced its been. In todays game, I think its incredibly balanced.
     
  37. Bruin

    Bruin Guest

    Sorry to put out lots of quotes, but there are A LOT of people on Siege willing to let you have storage at their homes for free. You don't need a full house, but an extra 2-3 secures goes a long way.
     
  38. Murdok

    Murdok Slightly Crazed
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2004
    Messages:
    1,403
    Likes Received:
    74
    Ive tried Siege.......

    There are a ton of great players there but there are a ton of not so great players there. Once you are associated with them through your guild you are marked for life even if you no longer associate with the guild nor any of the "unsavory" players.

    Thus the reason I will never seriously play there again. And if I could find someone to buy all my stuff that I acquired there I would delete both chars from both my accounts on Siege even though they are somewhat well developed!

    Yes some of the board warriors on the Siege boards can be quite how do I put this and not break the tos....... Well lets just say they arnt someone I would want to spend any time with!

    Murdok
     
  39. Aurelius

    Aurelius Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2004
    Messages:
    2,756
    Likes Received:
    689
    That's what makes UO work though - it can accomodate pretty much every playstyle people want ;). The choices of Trammel/Fel or production/siege rules are part of what makes it so good, and I'm perfectly happy some resource going to a shard I am incredibly unlikely to play, because so many people enjoy it there. It's not for me though, my home is Europa and I have way too much to try do there already....
     
  40. Aurelius

    Aurelius Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2004
    Messages:
    2,756
    Likes Received:
    689
    I'm sure that's the case, but for many of us a house isn't just storage.
     
  41. Megilhir

    Megilhir Guest

    A dark view of a dark shard.

    I have a character that started on SP the day the Shard opened.

    That day was great!!

    People explored, leveled and fought together. Either beside each other or against emerging PKs.

    Then time continued and SP evolved into an Honor Kill and gank-o-saurous fest.

    Now it is mostly empty and rotting.

    98% of the slowly dwindling UO player base shuns SP.

    No matter how skilled one player is, they lose against five.

    The remaining 2% falsely believe that playing on SP makes them a "better" UO player.

    PvP in UO has little meaning. It has devolved to gank-o-saurous sauce served on a cracked plate of mispent dreams.

    Gone are the glory days of Gates opening in towns and huge guilds riding as the legions of Heaven through to assail the minions of Hell's guild.

    Trammel is a haven. Much desired by many regardless of how one views Trammel.

    Feluccia has become the realm of Guard-zone scripter/harvesters.

    SP has failed from lack of balance.

    SP is dead. Long live SP.
     
  42. A Rev

    A Rev Guest

    Im building a mage on siege and ill tell you know ROT is a pain the F*in ass!!!

    being able to gain 3.6 points of skill a day is seriously making me reconsider playing!

    No insurance is fine as is.

    The main thing i dont like about siege is logging on saying hi in chat and seing no replies...just deathly scilence!
     
  43. Jhym

    Jhym Guest

    I've tried seige. I have a char there. I don't play it.

    Enough said.

    :popcorn:
     
  44. canary

    canary Guest

    >> No way in hell would I ever play siege; I love trammel. <<

    Err... you DO realize, OP, that Fel exists too, right? Some ppl enjoy Fel with insurance. rolleyes:

    BTW, I wouldn't want to play Siege because it is horribly dead there. I have a character I started, but the lack of interaction and players made it a bore-a-thon. I generally RP (and yes, some of us rp'ers enjoy fighting) and found little to none.
     
  45. Symma

    Symma Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2002
    Messages:
    1,600
    Likes Received:
    85
    So lame.... I could accept it if you played Siege. But judging by your comments you haven't played for along time there. Don't like it when people base their comments on outdated experiences.

    Of course, I'd loved to be correct if you have played there recently. Maybe I've seen your character.

    Anyway, Siege Perilous is one of my favourite shards. And I don't PvP much. I'm a crafter and a merchant. I enjoy the slower pace of life (ROT isn't quite as bad as people 'assume').

    Sure the community is small and it goes through quieter periods. But we do have a community that I frankly wouldn't change for anything. You've got your ******bags (no names, no names) but generally people can be cool. In a recent event the Red's worked along with everyone else despite ample opportunities to slaughter defenceless crafters.

    I found my original shard, Europa in this case, too much of a chore and I wanted a shard where I could actually play a part.

    Anyway, my point is don't simple jump to conclusions about Siege. Its easy to make assumptions about us Siegers, but you might just find us a rewarding bunch of people to play with :D
     
  46. N49ATV

    N49ATV Slightly Crazed
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2008
    Messages:
    1,489
    Likes Received:
    0
    One of the things is so many run stealth on siege right now. Which makes it seem a lot more dead then it is. A suprise EM, or Dev visit, and 20 players pop out of the woodwork. And a few shown players too.
     
  47. Aran

    Aran INFRACTION INFRACTION INFRACTION!
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend -A-

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2000
    Messages:
    14,717
    Likes Received:
    1,021
    You must never actually log onto Siege then.
     
  48. Faerunner

    Faerunner Lore Master
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 13, 2008
    Messages:
    1,230
    Likes Received:
    4
    I don't run stealth 'cause there's no room on my template for it :p

    I just started playing Siege after a few invites to visit over the years. I'm finding it a rewarding experience even for a new player even without the NEW guild, and I'm enjoying RoT as a guarantee that I'll eventually GM rather than what happened on Chesapeake where half my characters are stuck at 70 forever.

    If I were to change anything it might be getting [Young] status for a little while, but other than that I rather like the community the way it is so far.... Housing was definitely a factor in the choice to develop a character there, but only time will tell if I stay.
     
  49. Konge

    Konge Lore Master
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2006
    Messages:
    1,045
    Likes Received:
    2
    No Trammal, No insurance. If you add either of those, seige is no longer seige.
     
  50. kelmo

    kelmo Old and in the way
    Professional Stratics Veteran Alumni Dread Lord

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    17,379
    Likes Received:
    4,698
    Time is on our side... really give it a chance and I think you will like it.