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Discussion in 'UHall' started by Ezekiel Zane, Nov 6, 2011.
Ok,someone asked for a poll.
You forgot one option...
Not a vet reward at all???
Just saying... it should be an option.
They could have made money selling them... Just saying.
Yeah, I thought about it, as I've never been one to think super cool, extremely useful items should be exclusive. If it was a low-end younger year vet reward that would alleviate much of the disparity though.
Truly... take my opinion as it is. That Shard transfer thing will likely never effect me. There are no other shards for me.
It is a fact that Siege folk can never move shards. We can not even copy a character.
I'll never use them, but I think it would be good if they were made available for every account regardless of age. For example, a year-old player might have started out on a particular shard, only to discover that another would have been better for him (or her) for any number of reasons. The ability to transfer in this way just might provide some players with a little more incentive to stick around longer. Just my opinion...
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They should just allow people to "age" their accounts for $9.99 per month...
Pay to Win is never good for a game.
votes for 3 years max....hell these are the best ever reward ever and will give so much of an advantage to so few of the UO populous...aka the 3-4% who are actually 14 year vets...jeeze as a 12th year player ive Spent well over a thousand real pounds in fees/subs and all i get is a extra choice is a ''blooooody sheep statue'' that gives a few hides that u can get in like 2 minutes flat!!!!! WTF!!!!! ......hell at the minumn let em stay at 14th gifts but let them be able to be used by anyone!!!!
or make a mint and sell em in uostores.....the ability to roam the shards at will ..and transfer stuff between shards once per month ...is a dream come true.....and it would be nice if eveyone or at least most of the uo population can get to do this too...
Not a vet reward at all .....
I'm just saying people don't understand the difference anymore between a few years here and there...
I tend to agree with that statement as well. Especially since I'm sure there are a good percentage of players with 14 year old accounts who bought them or were given them. How are those account holders any more loyal a customer than everyone else?
This would really depend if the tokens gotten could be used by others with no age check.
No, it's already been established that the shields are account bound and so are the tokens that that particular shield creates.
You can't claim the reward shield deed and give it even to another 14 year vet account and have them use it let alone use the tokens that are created by that shield on other accounts.
Well, Messana has already stated unequivocally that the tokens generated by the shields can only be used by the owner/character that placed/locked-down the shield.
Based upon the screen shots of the Shard Transfer Shield in another thread, it's clear that the shield itself is non-transferable & account-bound.
So, as is, these can only be chose, placed and used by a 14th year account.
14 year. They played the longest and since there are not many of them it will not be unbalanced at all. Plus, it works for only one shard.
I know they're "Vet Reward" But I honestly think they should toss that title out the window and come up with something new that will allow anyone who has played Ultima Online for at least one year to be able to obtain all of the cool REWARDS.
I my self have some very old accounts and i'm not effected but you need to balance out the reward system to hold onto the young players. My self I would be upset if I wasn't able to equip/use a really cool item because my account is only 36 months old. Imagine how they feel when they see that message "Months until you can use this item 132! <--- LOL NO TY"
Pretty much once a account reaches a year of age you can choose from any rewards and the number of rewards will increase the older your account becomes but will also have restrictions.
I suggest Low End Rewards, Medium Rewards, and High End Rewards.
Example using current vet rewards. 1-4yrs Low, 5-10 Med, 11-14.. High.
Now even if your account is only a year old you can choose from the High End Rewards.
1 to 3yrs - 1 Rewards per year.
4 to 6yrs - 2 Rewards per year.[May choose only 1 High End, and 1 Med OR Low Reward]
7 to 10yrs - 3 Rewards per year.[May choose only 1 High End, 1 Med, and 1 Low Reward]
11 to 14yrs - 5 Rewards per year.[May choose 2 High End , 2 Med, and one Low Reward]
I believe something like this would be fair to the new players of Ultima Online. This game is almost 15yrs old I don't see it being around for another 15yrs so you should really consider balancing the Vet Reward system.
That depends on how many Vet Rewards you have left to claim. When you turn 14 you get 2 rewards so there qre two shields. Or if you have rewards left over then you may claim even more shields.
These rewards are geared to poeple that do a lot of shard xfers a year and the only people that come to mind are the rares collectors and sites that sell items. I am sure that both these groups have a lots of 14 yr accounts. These rewards were not made to xfer chars to another home shard, they were made so you could go visit other shards and then return to your home shard. Just pick 2 shields and go visit the shard of your choice and then when you have gotten what you want then return to your home shard with all your goodies.
I see what you're saying but I'm saying cap how many you may choose.
And being that the Shields are such a unique reward maybe just cap it at one or two shields per acct.
Personally I hate the concept of vet rewards. My current account is at 10 years (sold my original account long ago). How am I supposed to talk people into playing? Eventually they find out about the vet reward program and I have to say "well, you have to play for 14 YEARS before you can get that particular item." Ridiculous.
I am not sure how much indicative might be a poll over a topic like that......
Personally, I think that certain changes to the game like the topic of the poll should just be decided by the Developers without being influenced by players' preferences.
Well, the Veteran Program has Rewards for all years from 1 to 14........
So, every next year there is some new reward that can be claimed.
And I find it normal that someone who's had an account as active for 1, 2, 3, 4 years etc. cannot possibly expect to be eligible for the same type of reward as someone else who's had the account as active for 14 years.
Well, how about adding a gump when claiming the Veteran Reward that asked for the original registration number ? The one that was on the CD when one registered the account the very first time.
Chances are, that if the account changed hands because sold or given to, that this original registration number stayed with the original owner of the account and so, this modification could help increase the chances that only actual Veteran Players who maintained the account as active all along would be able to actually claim the Veteran Reward.
The original registration number was lost ? Sorry, tough luck....... A line needs to be drawn at some point, IMHO, if there is the need to make sure that only the original Veteran Players can claim the reward.
I think alot of people are forgetting the important title "VETERAN REWARDS". I'm not a 14 year veteran. in fact my oldest account is 10 years and that was a gift thats now inactive. But the shields are perfectly fine as they are. the 14 year vets should get a little perk like that, people are only complaining becuase they cant get the shields.. TOUGH. Its a VETERAN REWARD, your not a 14 year veteran so you cant have it PEROID.
If it was a 2 year reward you would all be complaining because too many would have them...
Seriously stop with the winging about it, your not going to get them till your account is 14 years old, and I would oppose any call to get that changed. You can get unlimited xfers on UOgamecodes for $20 a throw, so if you need one stop being a skinflint and go buy one.
They do make money from selling them, they are called Character Transfer Tokens.
The Shield is just a very limited version of the transfer token. EA would lo9se money if it sold a non-consumable transfer token. Leave it at 14 yrs. It is meant to be a gift, not a tool for commerce.
I think at this point in UO's life, it's a really bad idea to up front tell potential new players that these are items you will NEVER be able to own.
Never said they were something that was needed to play. I'm not even making this exclusive to the 14th year stuff. I think anything over 5 years, at this point, is unachievable by a new player. Not that I think the game will be closed by then, but to expect a new player to think "Only 7 more years and I can get a _______" is insanity. There is a fine line in this type of system between perk and detriment.
Do you know that at 10 years 48 months is all that you missed paying for? If you want to spend the $480 dollars on transfer tokens who is stopping you? That is 24 transfers that are not restricted like the shard shield transfers. The same goes for 1 year "vets", if they want to spend $1690 on UO items i'm not going to stop them.
The game can be played just fine by any new or returning player even without being eligible for these Rewards.
It is not like they are game breaking and absolutely needed to play Ultima Online......
That is why I do not see the problem.
As in regards to whatever future Ultima Online might still have ahead, who knows, really ?
Who would have thought in 1997 that after 14 years this multiplayer game would have still been running ??
They started with the Veteran Reward System, and they should stay with it for the rest of UO's life - IMHO. rolleyes:
They could never find the "right time" to change between veteran reward restrictions and "lower restrictions" as proposed.
So - let it be. Carry on as we have before!
PS: Everyone has a friend somewhere who has a 14th year veteran nearby who can help you with trades if you need any... so... let them be 14th year rewards!
Is this true? I knew they were gonna be account bound, but only the character that placed the shield????
sad the game will further widen te gap between the ''have and have nots'' again....realy thought the devs was trying to right this..not make the gap even even bigger.... so sad...the new players will be put of from playing even more...sod te old 3 yr ethies...this rewar is the best ever aND WILL GIVE SUCH AN UNFAIR ADVNTAGE TO THE'' HAVES''.... the ''havenots'' will get butt-f***ed once again and leave the game...beauce this 14the year goft is simply mind blowing....
Well, I own two 14 year accounts and I don't appreciate you reminding me how much I spent.
No, i just tested it...you can re use on another character on the same account. Though it didnt give me another token i was able to click it and get the message i had to wait a month at least...
It is interesting that as a deed you have to double click and place it and then you have to actually lock it down to get the token.
I think its fair as is. It was kind of a pleasant suprise to see devs put out something like this. This game was transformed into a global community across all shards when they first introduced xfer tokens. Now the older accounts get a bit of relief from the additional expense.
14. It's an incentive for the younger accounts to keep plqying. No 1 year account should get it. for the simple fact it IS the greatest reward ever given.
I just know that as a 15 year vet reward I want a tower sized cake, out of which pops a Sudiva sized dancing girl in paragon gold bikini with tassels and matching evening gloves and gold sandals.
As opposed to say, Gary Busy...
but then I never gave my future in game rewards a lot of thought.
I would say atleast 4 yrs. the same as some die tubs. I just know that if that made a awsome rewards that you could only be used til your account was 4 yrs and then its no good. All the veterans would be crying too. Next your gonna want only 14 yr vets to own castles.
only 100 voters!!!! in a week !!!..jeepers!!!!
is our beloved game in such a low numbered state????....taking a radical only 1 in 20 read and use startics...which is not real at all...pretty sure most uo players get there info/kicks from the stratics pages/forums....2000 players max???
lol...we are really a dying breed...but long live uo..iam here till the lights are turned out...
can u imagine a first year player thinking...wow.....oh ..wow in 13 years time i can take advantage of those awesome xshard token freebie shields....yahhhhh roll on 13 years.....cant wait...yahhhh yahhh after ive shelled out $1000 dollars i will ACTUALLY get the best gift ever made...most usefull gift ever made
***even the teleporters were good age gifts but anyone could use them and also the craftable version came out too....THAT u could recharge with gate scrolls??
u really do talk boll**ks.....
I hope they put these shields up for sale on the game site for lik e$15 each, i would but LOADS
i bet many many others would too!
think of all them $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
It's fine as it is. You all forget that its a reward for being in uo for that long not a money gain.
Yes I know it could sell for millions... thats the point though. Its a REWARD not an instant $$ maker. Go work fo r the gold its not that hard to get anymore.
If something was lowered or changed it becomes meaningless. I understand alot of you who have less aged accounts would love to have and use this. The fact is your accounts are not of that age. Wait if your patient and play you will get there. Those who will be elegble for this their accounts have been on a long time and have earned this. Just because you play is not enough. (I never supported that idea to give a child a trophy for just being there even if they lost bit. It makes a child think as an adult they deserve what they want at any cost not what they worked for and earned.)
As for ajusting how many "reward points" one account should get.... well that is another ball game. Many who have that old an account usualy dont have many choices left. There are exceptions of course but in the long run over 80% have little or no choices left before their next birthday. I can see an upgrade in the older accounts getting perhaps a 2 or 3 more.
Remember an account must be 3 years old to get a reward... not that your not a great player or die hard uo fan... its just how it was planed.
I'd like to see this table for rewards:
1st - 2nd 2 choice's this would allow you a mount or 2 (with the glut of tubs and statues)
3rd - 7th year should get 3 choices a year (thats 15 choices total)
8th - 12th year 4 a year ( this is 20 choices total)
13th - up 5 chioces (considering its the 14th year so far it would be 10 choices plus the 35 from the past years for a total of 45 choices. Now if that is not enough for you ... geesh)
With mounts and house additions like the city bank and dungeon ball being so usefull, the ore, tree stump, gem cart and now the sheep statue... for help with resources a few more choices are truly needed.
Now I would like to see also added to the Rewards program a way to turn in unwanted rewards and get a new item from the menu. Now dont go throwing hissy fits. The turned in reward's age will be taken in account so dont go thinking you will turn in a black tub and get a shard sheild. So get that out of your head. But I cant see why not an upgrade if you turn in mutli rewards to get the next higher year out of the turn in. So four 2nd year statues would give you two 3rd year choice's. Now dont pin down the numbers but something like this is my idea to 1 help the glut of dead reward soulstone's tubs and statues that are sitting idol all over.
We all have extra rewards that are not doing us much good, this could be a way to clear up hundreds of extras sitting on vendors not selling or sitting in chests never to be used.
Oh and I do see one thing that will be a must in this exchange, your accounts age. No you cant turn in rewards and expect to get a reward over your accounts age.
This means if your only elegble for a 8th year reward you cant turn in rewards to get a 14th. Sorry Even the EA Dev are not that dumb kiddos. Nice try though.
it should be a first year reward.
Why should an item that could benefit everyone, and help out the game play on every shard be restricted to a very small percentage of players.
If everyone was given a free x-fer token per month on their account what's stopping them from playing every shard? Would it not better the community having players able to interact easier and cheaper cross shards? Would it not help the economy on smaller shard where vendors are few and far between?
The players who want it to be a 14 year vet reward only want that to hold it above the younger community.
I just don't see it helping the community out in the least. Should rewards not be meant to benefit everyone's game play? I've never really understood why the reward system is set up the way it is. Why not just have a flat rate reward system. Every year all players should be able to get the same rewards as everyone else. Why make the younger generation have disadvantages over players who were there from the start?
I know some people will say "we've been here x amount of years, we've earned the right to get better items!" How have you earned it? You sit at your computer, and play a game. You play the same game, pay the same amount as a 1 year vet.
For once close you greedy eyes Vets, and think about the community. Currently I have my accounts off. I might turn them back on if there was an actual UO commmunity on the FEL side. Free x-fers might bring some life back with guilds cross sharding.
Its not for the community for heavens sake, its a bloody VET REWARD.
Why cannot people just accept this already and stop with the damn moaning.
Why can't players think of what's best for the community, not themselves.