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When there are too many rares, what is really the point of rares ??

Discussion in 'UHall' started by popps, Feb 7, 2011.

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  1. popps

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    Since the starting of EM Events on shards, across all shards there has been a plethora of rares being released over a number of Events.

    Who knows, perhaps there are currently more "rares" in the game than regular items ??

    What I am trying to ask, is what is really any longer the point of rares in the game when there are so many and more being created at any given EM Event on a number of shards where shard transfers are possible ??

    Doesn't all this just destroy the whole concept of what a rare is ?

    What I am trying to say, is that perhaps having too many rares, and more getting created a go-go on all shards at EM Events, doesn't it simply make rares "ubiquitous" and thus less felt as rares ?

    That is, ain't it perhaps counter productive to the purpose of what rares should be all about ?

    What puzzles me is the idea that any given Event Moderator may come on a given shard get an item, hue it in some unusual color, put some unusual text on it and bam, here the game gets another rare. Multiply this a number of times for a number of Events (weekly ?) for a number of shards and what we have here ? A rares mass production rares factory ?

    Are these really rares ??
     
  2. wanderer1origin

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    so popps
    why do u care??
    rares are a commodity u say so buy cheap!!!
    or just collect a segment of market that intersts you!!!!
    also remeber all of the older rares were so heavy duped, as is a mind rare not real.
    em rares are limited number, if price ends too high dont buy
    also go to event and benifit, maybe will be you selling next rare!! for a 100m
     
  3. canary

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    As long as players enjoy it in some form, who cares popps?
     
  4. *shrugs*

    Rarer than your questions?
    I mean ...
    How rare a rare do YOU need a rare to be a rare?
    One rare only? Two as a set? ... is that a rarer rare? like rarely seen twins? or a pair of twin's?
    I rarely see you get a direct and clear answer to many of your questions ...
    so is it just rarely, though commonly done ... that you've found yet another question that can't be answered?
    But does that also not qualify as a rarity in its volume ... that rarely can one find one that has found such rare types of questions?

    I would submit that rarely has the game been affected in such a deep and philosophical manner as your questions seem to imply that in the general "zeitgeist" that there are not more and similar "discoveries" or the even more rare "one more" found per year.

    Hmmmm

    I shall ponder upon it ... :sad4:
     
  5. Vexxed

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    Sorry I just can't resist... The 1st 2 responses both making fun of popps for his lack of an interesting topic ???


    NO WAY!


    ok.. so about Rares? lolololol....... pointless. Function > Form END STORY

    of course the truth is that if I have some old as dirt never to be made again item I'm totally willing to sell it to ya!
     
  6. kelmo

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    The rares community is a fascinating bunch. For the most part a welcoming and very giving community. EM items seem to have breathed a lot of life into that crew.

    Rares is a play style. Just as PvP, PK, RP etc. They just do not have an acronym. *winks*
     
  7. Hey! I was asking for a clarification of parameters ...
    Thing is ... I needs be cautious ... rares are rarely ... "calmly" positioned and discussed ... there be strong and adroit opponents of differing camps that are watching ...
    always watching, lurking ... keeping their ears and eyes to keyholes and transoms and doors and floors and walls ... not to mention "open forums"
    eye on the prize and a finger on the pulse ... and any scrap of gossip or drift of longing eyes must needs be attended

    there are fortunes of gold and RMT at play ...:eyes:
     
  8. GalenKnighthawke

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    I will sell you a rare troll slaying katana that also works on the Scalis Enforcer, heals Greater Dragons, and instantly takes your Bane Chosen loyalty to 20,000.

    -Galen's player
     
  9. wanderer1origin

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    now he will ask u if there is a axe that does the same thing as he doesnt like swords!!
    though i saw a mace in luna offering that and demon slaying too
     
  10. GalenKnighthawke

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    Yeah but that's a dupe. It involves using the troll slaying katana while having a level 6 arcane circle and fighting a Virtuebane Guard, on a server line while also whining about everything that comes into your head.

    My kat is legal.

    -Galen's player
     
  11. wanderer1origin

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    but do u have a totem of greater dragon tickling and 96% mongbat slaying
     
  12. Martyna Zmuir

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    And the Golden Perpetual Newb Award goes to...

    Popps!

    *claps*


    [​IMG]
     
  13. GalenKnighthawke

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    *claps*

    Are you sure, though, that he doesn't earn the troll award too?

    -Galen's player

     
  14. wanderer1origin

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    you forgot the i irked the most on stratics sash, past runner ups loc
     
  15. dang hes right.
    Im quitting.

    Oh I forgot, I dont collect every rare just the ones I like.
    And I collect non rare stuff too.

    And I collect funny named roses which arent rare at all.

    Though I sold the Pooh Whispering Rose for 800k.

    Ah my point what is the point of uo if there is so much uo around.

    I quit.
     
  16. Martyna Zmuir

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    No, that...honor...still belongs to Fayled Dhreams.
     
  17. GalenKnighthawke

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    There can be two troll awards.

    Or more.

    You shouldn't make it a competition between trolls, the awards should be made on the basis of objective standards. To set up a competition just lowers the standards for trolling, because then it'll be easy enough to "win" just by merely being the best of the mediocre.

    -Galen's player
     
  18. popps

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    The point is not whether there is 1 rare or 2 or 5 of any given item.

    The point I am trying to make is when there is so many rares in the game that it becomes impossible for a collector to gather them all.

    And if a collector is unable to gather them all, which is the point of a rares collection, why bother ?

    What I am trying to make some logic, is that perhaps, just perhaps, I am concerned that if the game becomes flooded by too many rares around this, eventually, will make rares collecting simply pointless.

    Pointless, is my concern, because they are too many to make the goal of getting them all basically impossible.

    Especially, since with EM events every week there is dozens added to the game.

    They have become just too many, and increasing as we speak even further, to make it impossible to collect them all. So why bother at all trying to ?

    Doesn't it eventually back fire against rares collecting and UO when they are so many ?
     
  19. GalenKnighthawke

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    See Marty?

    -Galen's player

     
  20. well damn!

    now it's as worthless as a nobel prize ... if popps can get one ...

    stupid oversaturated awards market ...:thumbdown:
     
  21. GalenKnighthawke

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    Yes but yours has your name on it, and his has his name.

    -Galen's player
     
  22. wanderer1origin

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    my guess is if a challenge some willm step up!!
    you should write an article about on strtics interview maticore, nabin etc for those are the hard core ones, that can own almost all!!!!
     
  23. Martyna Zmuir

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    See, now both Fayled and Popps have a rare.

    Oh, noes.. Popps doesn't have one of each! Might this make the whole thing pointless!

    Oh.

    Wait.

    They're just silly graphics for a bulletin board. Hmm. PIXELCRACK!

    Fight for them boys, fight!
     
  24. kelmo

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    Lumping the Rares collecters into a "I want it all" pidgeon hole is unfair. Every Rare collecter I have met is unique.

    If their game makes them happy, why do you have issues with it?

    If you personally want to collect them all... knock yer self out. Go get 'em all. Good luck.
     
  25. popps

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    I never checked the statistics but how often are EM events offered on any given shard ?

    Once a week ?

    And how many shards are out there than can transfer to each other ?

    Point is, how many of these "rares" keep being added, endlessly, every week to the game ?

    It has basically become impossible, and therefore, is my concern, pointless, to even try to have a complete rares collection because too many keep being added every week that I do not think there is 1 player in UO that can keep up with the pace.

    At that point, if it is impossible to complete a collection, why even try and put any effort in it ?
     
  26. kelmo

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    Then don't bother Popps... it is not a play style for you. Good thing the game has so much to offer.
     
  27. pfffft!

    It WAS "the name" on mine that made it rare ...

    It was spelled correctly AND in one of my favorite font styles ...
    SPELLED right being the higher property ...

    as most here usually can't mange a letter by letter copy ... on ONE part(either) of my name ...
    never mind both In order ...

    now its just a shopped knock off ... :gee:
     
  28. popps

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    I am not myself a collector but I have met some and what I seemed to understand is that the goal behind a collection is to eventually complete it.

    But that means, that the goal must be reasonably reachable.

    As Ultima Online is, with EM Events pumping out tons of them every week across all shards where transfers can make them available anywhere, makes the goal to complete the rares collection not much a feasible one, IMHO.

    So why bother even trying to ?
     
  29. Martyna Zmuir

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    Okay now, Popps, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Not every event has items. In fact, less than half do.

    The EMs can do one item drop per-EM per-shard per-month. This usually doesn't count metafiction events where a double-click item vendor goes up on every shard or holiday events that last a week or so.

    Most item drops range from between 10 to 20 items, acquired based on damage done to certain mobs and luck.

    You don’t need to collect ‘em all, they aren’t Pokemon.
     
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    isnt reason of game is too be challenged

    not challenging other out of bordom to entertain u
     
  31. kelmo

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    Popps, don't try. You do not understand Rares. A stamp collector never has every stamp. A card collector never has every card. Yet they have goals, dreams and agendas.

    Some collect the "best". Some collect themes. Some seem to collect at random...

    Collectors enjoy their game. Let it be.
     
  32. Landicine

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    I was going to say something similar. From wikipedia, on stamp collecting:

    "Hundreds of countries, each producing scores of different stamps each year, resulted in 400,000 different types of stamps in existence by the year 2000. Annual world output averages about 10,000 types."

    That's a lot of stamps, which makes completionist collecting impossible. I actually think that the idea that collecting anything means collecting everything in its entirety is an artifact of video games. It just isn't possible in real-world collecting:

    -Stamps: The Three-Skilling Yellow of Sweden was sold for $2,300,000 in 1999.

    -Comics: Action Comics #1 sold at auction for USD$1 million.

    -Baseball Cards: A near mint-mint professionally graded and authenticated T206 Honus Wagner, was sold to a private collector for $2.35 million.

    So why bother even trying to? Because it is fun. My stamp collection consists of the postage my grandfather and great-uncle used for letters home during World War II. The stamps have more value to me than the small fraction of the total stamps in the world. Collecting doesn't have to be about having everything in a set.

    If you cannot be happy collecting something in real life or in game unless you have every possible stamp, bauble, or EM pixel, I suggest you focus on all of the interesting "hobbies" out there: PvP, do-it-yourself electronics, writing, etc.
     
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    MMOs are quite different from single player games. In a single player game, I suppose you could "own" every thing there is to collect.
     
  34. UOKaiser

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    Though UO is different as you can possibly collect everything there is. Except real rares which we consider true rares where there one of them with no copies or imitatins and the one who owns it refuses to sell at any price. Or if it it's more than 1 maybe 1 person owns it and refuses to sell them or the people who do own it refuse to sell. Though money speaks louder than words so im sure even offered the right price in gold or cash one will be able to convince those to sell. Eventually they might move on and auction it. So either way it's possible to have everything in Uo that still exist and hasnt decayed away over time.
     
  35. GalenKnighthawke

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    Popps is a troll. It's what he does, what he lives for, how God made him.

    -Galen's player
     
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    popps, there are two problems with your "question."

    Problem #1: You are viewing the pantheon of UO items as an over-simplified dichotomy, looking at an item and filing it into one of two buckets: Rare or Not-rare. However, there are more than two item types in UO. By which I mean: The creation of another rare item does not devalue or limit the worth of other rare items, because not every rare item created is the same thing. One week it's 20 Swords of Icy Mongbat Ownage, another week it's 30 Wooden Ducks of Flaming Decorationizing. For a real world example: The printing of ever more types of limited edition stamps doesn't devalue rare comic books.

    Problem #2: You are popps.
     
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    :thumbup:

    Great comparison and explanation. Because there is a a ton of stamps. Which I guess should compel popps to ask this same question about stamps IRL, lol.
     
  38. kelmo

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    *chuckles* I have been called a troll too.

    There is no reason too keep this thread going. Rares is a live and vibrant community.

    Yes, I visit Rares forum often.

    No. I am not biased. Rares are beyond me. There are only a couple of folks that seriosly collect rares on Siege. None of our rares will ever see your rares.

    There are no EMs dropping rares on Siege.

    Some shards have active EMs. Some times items are involved, many times there are none.
     
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