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Who asked for more ridiculously overpowered items?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Goldberg-Chessy, Oct 27, 2008.

  1. Goldberg-Chessy

    Goldberg-Chessy Crazed Zealot
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    Did I miss a huge something here?

    Is it just me or has anyone else NOT seen any posts at all asking for more insanely overpowered ITEMS to be carelessly thrown into the already ******** pvp pool?

    What I have seen though is the pvp community asking/begging for alot of long overdue fixes to the MECHANICS of pvp and some faction loving.

    Do the Devs somehow translate this to mean MORE ITEMS?

    Not to be harsh here but it seems quite obvious that the Devs have no clue about pvp and even less of a clue on how to fix anything. The fact of the matter is that it was a focus group(not the Devs acting alone)that brought about the only decent changes in quite some time(apple timer,etc..)

    We say - "fix pvp and revitalize factions"

    We get - more ridiculously overpowered items.

    The best part is that not only do they screw up pvp more by making it damn near impossible to pvp if not in factions. They also help mess up the economy more by devaluing the already existing ridiculously overpowered items that we just got used to.

    But its all good I guess because who hasnt enjoyed plunking down extra $$ for each expansion just so we could be able to obtain the latest & greatest ridiculously overpowered items?
     
  2. D'Amavir

    D'Amavir Guest

    ob⋅fus⋅cate   [ob-fuh-skeyt, ob-fuhs-keyt] Show IPA Pronunciation
    –verb (used with object), -cat⋅ed, -cat⋅ing.
    1. to confuse, bewilder, or stupefy.
    2. to make obscure or unclear: to obfuscate a problem with extraneous information.
    3. to darken.

    Pay close attention to definition number 2. They can't fix the issues with factions or pvp in general, so they cloud the issue by adding things to distract people from those issues.
     
  3. and thats what it is!
     
  4. Fox (Europa)

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    Spot on, mate. There has been hundreds of constructive threads about improvements to factions & PvP and the dev team ignored all of them and instead just threw more over-powered junk at it. Pathetic.

    People don't want to be in factions; it is mostly restrictive and pointless. None of which has changed, the items are simply forcing people into factions so they can do the same PvP as before or die to those that do make the jump; there's no real additional interest in the gameplay of factions.

    Fox
     
  5. D'Amavir

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    That's the problem exactly. The goals, supposedly, was the make people want to play in factions. The result, as expected, is that it makes more people want to join factions. There is a major difference that this dev team just can't grasp. I guess we expect a little much from them all things considered.
     
  6. Der Rock

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    i bet, THE BIG VISION the dev´s have,is to make all items worthless, make all player even ?
    let skill be THE DEAL in uo again ?
    they always post" we listen and we learn"
    i dont think so.
    dev´s, as long as u dont post what´s ure long term vision is, u will lose more and more player,i realy dont know what ure point of no return is, 20k 10k or 5k player, but i know
    u reach this point soon :(
     
  7. Loqucious

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    Yes, unfortuntely, the "Let's make new items!" mantra is all we have heard from the dev side for the last several years.

    And we continue to get farther away from what originally made this game great.

    Bummer.
     
  8. The_Dude_

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    What do you mean more people did join factions. At least on my shard all the people with the same internet connection joined factions.... I mean its ok though they have the best conns might as well have the more overpowered items to match right?
     
  9. D'Amavir

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    At least according to most of the threads on boards like this, more and more people are asking about how to join factions and how to get rank and how to farm silver. Not much talk about how to actually PLAY in factions. How to work strategies for taking towns or hold towns. Just how to get in and get their new items as fast as possible.

    That's not what the goal was supposed to be at all. It was supposed to be about making factions fun to play. Not about having more people sign up for factions to get their items and then never really take part in the factions themselves. Outside of using tricks to farm rank and silver of course.

    EA will look at this as a success if they see a big jump in faction membership. Even though faction activity won't really change much. That's not a success to me, then again, I am not a dev.
     
  10. Der Rock

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    you are 100% correct
    as i posted some days before, the dev´s "wag the dog again"
    it is realy sad :(
     
  11. Sarphus

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    I think the items are supposed to serve as a dangled carrot to entice more people into factions.
     
  12. Xel Naga

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    Don't worry all your faction items will be completely useless once imbuing hits and everyone can customize their own armor with max mods and intensities.

    You'll look back and think wow, I used to think that was going to be overpowered. Now, I won't bother wasting silver buying this junk when I can just pop any mod I want on gear put self repair and never think about gear again.
     
  13. Winker

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    I Hate factions due to the stat loss. I dont care what Uber items they give Factioneers it still wont get me to play Factions. I will just have to be at a disadvantage for a month or so...Untill they get board with it and give it up again.

    Looks like i will be PvMing a bit more....:bdh:
     
  14. Babble

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    For me it looks they go the WOW,WHO way.
    Rewarding pvp with items is a working concept for both of these games.

    For UO I just have to say I wish the developers would be more innovative instead of copycats.
     
  15. D'Amavir

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    What are they doing to make factions more fun? Nothing. What are they doing to make factions less buggy? Nothing. Yes, they will get plenty of people to JOIN factions. But they are doing nothing to get people to PLAY factions. At all. No one is denying that these new items will boost the number of people in factions. But, it won't do anything at all for the number of people playing factions.

    Factions players will keep playing it. Non faction players will keep not playing it.
     
  16. D'Amavir

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    Many of us wish for that. But with this current batch its a little too much to wish for. We should hope first that they end up getting a new dev team and that THAT dev team can be innovative.

    We get that every one borrows ideas from other games for their own. Sure, its just natural. But most do it in a way that actually ADDS something to the idea and to the game they are adding it to.
     
  17. Mook Chessy

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    I moved to Siege to get away from all of this overpower ****...

    lets hope it never makes it off TC1

    *looks up a the last straw*
     
  18. wrekognize

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    We're going to have a handful of people who have all the buffed up gear. The remaining faction members will become frustrated and quit within three months. The result will equal the same amount of players in factions as prior to this publish.


     
  19. Tjalle

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    Too bad this crap will land on Siege as well...
     
  20. Wenchkin

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    I don't think these items should hit production and especially not Siege, but by the sounds of things I doubt our voices are going to be listened to. I don't think this is the solution to making factions fun. It is a great way of building yet more resentment between Tram players and Fel ones however, as we all know how lovely item envy gets around here.

    I'm guessing the ideas have come through the focus group, but I could be wrong. I suppose it's a good thing for the players concerned that we won't know who they are lol. Anyone who thought overpowered items would make Fel better needs their head examined.

    Wenchy
     
  21. WWGRD?

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    The only way to make these work is to not use silver. Silver is too easily farmed by pvming. If you can only acquire these items by actually pvping, and set requirements to deter joining your second account in a different faction, to keep people from farming theirselves... If the requirements to them are high, they won't be stacked as bad and if non-pvpers want these items they will *gasp* have to learn to pvp. They also have to fix faction ranking.

    This new system as is, is a disaster waiting to happen.
     
  22. Fluffi

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    God, I hope not.

    What chance do we have if a group of players who are supposed to be knowledgeable about UO, and who should care for the game, come-up with something like this. :sad4:
     
  23. Rubican

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    I think the real reason they keep uping items is to keep people occupied and with a goal of sorts - just like WOW uping max character level.

    Both ways you can really never say a character is "done".

    Items are UO's version of leveling (kinda sorta, I know).

    Frustrating as heck, but we keep coming back.:mf_prop:
     
  24. Cyrah

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    All I can say is wow.
     
  25. Lynk

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    I don't see why everyone is complaining.

    These items just makes it possible for people to put high quality suits together without spending 100 mil on a suit. This new Crystalline ring lets people play mage weapon mages without investing a fortune in a crystalline/inquis. Basically the same thing Imbuing is going to do. It will level the playing field for the casual gamer and the power gamer.

    If anything I should be mad because I invested so much time and money to get my suit where it is. In reality, all I want is more faction PvP.

    I'm sick of para field and wither grinding despise bridge. On Great Lakes I have seen a huge increase in the number of people playing factions.

    These city fights that we've been having lately is the most fun I've had PvPing in a long time. It takes me back to the order/chaos days when there were 40 people running around moonglow.
     
  26. Yet faction tags have exploded everyone and thier mothers brother has joined one or the other !!! everyone says no more items yet everyone gets them. if you dont want the items dont get them.

    and no everyone else will not have them and kill you. if your not in a faction they will not bother with you as they have to maintian thier rank to keep the items why is it a big issue ?
     
  27. D'Amavir

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    Just curious, how many kill points does a faction player lose when they get a murder count? Or are they just instantly kicked from the faction? I don't play factions so I don't know the rules for reds or blue murderers in factions.
     
  28. I did, but I was only kidding.


    I swear I was...

    :gee:
     
  29. The point is that they get no points from killing NON faction persons so they must kill other faction players or everyone has to give back the shinny new toys
     
  30. D'Amavir

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    Oh I am sure that most people will be able to balance kill point farming and normal pvp'ing with their new items. Its not like keeping your rank is a full time job at all. Especially with the many flaws in the rank system already. And why fix those when you can just toss out uber items to distract people instead? Easy peasy.
     
  31. Goldberg-Chessy

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    1) So your solution to insanely overpowered items is - "if you dont want the items dont get them" Thats great advice and a huge help to balance pvp. Not!!!

    2) Faction players will be too busy maintaining rank to pvp elsewhere? You should honestly have played in Factions(or Fel for that matter it seems)before saying something that ludicrous. Because you obviously have no idea about factions/pvp if you really believe that.

    Nopers. IMO it is quite obvious that you are not a pvper or factioner in any way, shape, or form and would agree to anything that gets you more overpowered items based upon your reply.

    Peace :)
     
  32. 4gregu

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    Yes, I agree. I think they set out with the idea of dangling a carrot to get people to join factions. But it will end up more like a knife to the throat, forcing people to join factions.
     
  33. Viper09

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    I'm going to laugh when it doesn't turn out to be as ridiculous as everyone here is making it sound. You need to maintain your rank to even use the item, and only that one character can use it, no one else. You can't farm points, only silver. And the only way I believe you should gain silver is through PvP and not PvM, but unfortunately you can get silver through PvM.

    Plus, a lot of PvP weapons used are already equal to, if not greater, than the artifacts picked up in doom as it is. I think people will still be opting to use the already existing PvP weapons over the other artifacts.
     
  34. Coyt

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    my opinion is its a good thing to make high-end equipment obtainble for more players, it means one less excuse for ppl to not PvP,
    Im not sure that having a rank-require on some itmes is a good thing tho, for those ending up with negative score is often those who need the items the most?

    and if ppl use the armour in trammel? so what, they still need to join a faciton to use it and have the silver to buy it, so it either bring some ppl to felucca to farm silver, or a market on silver

    and joining a faciton can be the first step toward a life in felucca
     
  35. Lyconis

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    While many enjoy being a demigod or deity in some cases, including myself at times. I have to agree I dislike the uber items. Kinda reminds me of Rifts (by palladium games), every book you bought had items that were more powerful than the others. Same thing that has been happening to UO after AOS was released. Seems like with UO you have to power play to succeed, which gets very dull.

    I miss players wanting to go out to explore and go hunting in neat or different locations. I know very few players that don't ask me "why should we hunt that, what do we get out of it?" Most go on to hack and slash some peerless thing for a chance at a crimmy.
     
  36. Viper09

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    *sighs*
    I do miss those days. Hunting a phoenix just to hunt a phoenix.
     
  37. Kiss Of Death

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    these items won't change the life so much....ofc crystalline is uber and ornament too... the primer talisman also....for the rest...nothing so incredible , well tome of lost knowledge is uberlicious.

    Anyway guys ppl like FOX from EUropa would never be able to compete with players as me or defender, navar, maco on eu shard... simple facts, 3 more mana regeneration won't change so much the power of the players.

    Also the best items are given to few pvpers, the ones who reach RANK 10.... so not so many at the end. But hej...they deserve to be there if they're better then the others...you Must all Improve in pvp and stop crying.

    Anyway this is a v v v good revamping of the faction . Making the sieges 2 hours long is at last a great idea, we'll c amazing battles for holding the sigils.

    Hej , if u don't wanna play faction, u can farm powerscrolls. It's all good.

    I mean Goldberg is an archer, he is blue, he plays solo always, I'm sure he'll love to play faction soon, he doesn't know that it's gonna be v good .

    Goldberg, you can use a faction horse on your archer, you can easily get tons of kills soon. Just make a group of good friends and pvp with them.

    If you rlly cannot handle it, well u can just kill random reds and grey at yew gate as you always done.

    I mean the only thing overpowered in UO is the G DRAGONS, that should be deleted from felucca. Nothing else.

    FAction is gonna be full again, lot of fun and lot of ppl to kill, I think it was a v good improvement.

    Only thing still to change is the STAT LOSS Timer:

    20 minutes are too much, it must be lowered to 10 minutes.

    It had a sense be4 with TONS of ppl playing , now the population in fel is much less. 10 minutes is good.
     
  38. Kiss Of Death

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    and anyway... BEST pvpers should be an example for all the Felucca community.

    You should all learn to see what we're doing (winning 4vs12 , trapping amazingly, crossheals , insta kills) and by dying and dying...you'll begin to play as good as us.
     
  39. ElRay

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    teh?
     
  40. Doomsday Dragon

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    All I have to say is who ever thought this idea would be cool must have really hated factions and pvp in general.
     
  41. Kat

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    QFT!

    Please leave these new faction items off Siege. We have enough problems with balance in PvP!! :lame:
     
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    Wrong!!!!

    The problem with PvP in UO is that 80%+ of the people are cheating, with most of your so called "best" pvpers running multiple programs and using various client hacks.

    There are no good PvPers left in UO, it's simply a case of who has the most 3rd party crap running on their system.

    And now to top it off, instead of fixing the major problem with PvP, the worthless UO devs are simply throwing some overpowered pixels at the problem. They figure adding overpowered pixels appeases the Trammies, why not the PvPers too??

    **Goes back to his PS3 where all the online games are moderated and cheaters are perma banned**
     
  43. Coyt

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    kiss of death = blazing inferno?
    you expect anyone to ever take you serious after posting this?

    (those who have seen him posting screenshots in the past knows he isn't the example he claims to be)
     
  44. Petrify

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    I find that the worst pvpers usually say things like this. Time and time again I get accused of hacking (as do the rest of people in my guild), yet none of us do, it's laughable. Besides the only thing 3rd party programs can really help with is speed
     
  45. Fox (Europa)

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    You are absolutely correct. I will never "achieve" your level of speedhacking, scripting and exploit abuse so will never be able to compete at your level. And don't bother to argue with that one, we have all seen the screenshots you have posted and your guild's stated aims on your website:


    As to your point that these items aren't over-rated... funny how you were the first to jump on this bandwagon and join factions as soon as these items were announced.

    Fox
     
  46. Radun

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    i remember not too long ago a dev team member stating clearly that the ORIGINAL artifacts being added was a huge mistake, and that they would never again ruin pvp balance by releasing new overly powerful items.... I guess they forgot already.
     
  47. Haddy G

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    It doesn't matter if you cheat or not. Most tram folks have the perception that pvpers cheat. So no amount of high power items will draw tram folks to pvp. IMO this is just a bone their throwing to pvpers, that they don't really seem to want.
     
  48. WWGRD?

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    I honestly hope you don't believe this. Because you only need 1 frigging kill point to achieve Rank 10. This is not going to do jack**** for factions, people don't need to actively participate in factions to achieve all of these items, all you need is a spare acct and enough time to farm the hell out of daemons.
     
  49. Tomas_Bryce

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    It is Uhall.
     
  50. Goldberg-Chessy

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    Too funny.

    Anyone that pvps realizes that speed is EVERYTHING.

    When you complain about Archers with moving shot you are really complaining about SPEED.

    When you complain about mages seemingly able to cast too fast you are really complaining about SPEED. Get the point? Need me to go on?

    Next time people talk about 3rd party programs and pvp maybe they should have a clue?