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Why can't bards use discordance on other players in fel to pvp but they can use on pets and not flag

Discussion in 'UHall' started by HP_Zoro_HP, Jun 24, 2013.

  1. HP_Zoro_HP

    HP_Zoro_HP Seasoned Veteran

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    Just wondering I mean...

    Why can't bards use discordance on other players in fel to pvp but they can use on pets and not flag?
     
  2. Winker

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    Hmmm coz its a PvM skill?
     
  3. cazador

    cazador Crazed Zealot
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    I'm not against the idea of disco in pvp..if done right..if based on real skills..could be useful for raids just like a winder..but I doubt the rest of the UO community thinks that way :)
     
  4. Tazar

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    I can see issues when a Bard discords a tamer causing the pet to unbond and be killed. There would be lots of screams coming from UHall and the Taming Forums.
     
  5. cazador

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    Very true..didn't think about that

    Edit: although tamers really shouldn't be PvP templates, with that said tamers would very easily adapt, wether it be overcap ping skill to prevent disco from taking an affect on their taming/lore skills would add a higher dimension to playing one of the more overpowering skills in game. Also would add some depth in strategy in raids/protecting and all group related fights..even though a defensive mystic/parry/weaver/disco could be extremely OP as for being unkillable and with rising's and pixies could be quite an offensive force to be reckoned with..but still would be interesting to see..0.1% chance of happening, but fun to discuss
     
  6. MatlocK

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    Sounds like someone made the wrong bard angry and gets shut down every time they try and gimp tamer pvp at fel gate.
     
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  7. HP_Zoro_HP

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    not at all I have a bard and have a tamer... I would like to be able to do this the same way this would annoy me... im neutral.
     
  8. Winker

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    One thing i have learned over the last 13 years of playing UO, no one is "neutral"
     
  9. HP_Zoro_HP

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    well I guess you meet new people everyday. I have no reason to lie and can show you my bard and tamer if you like. I have both.
     
  10. Tazar

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    How do you overcapacity a skill when max skill is needed for a greater dragon?

    I can also see many ways to grief with it in non-pvp situations.

    Overall, I do like the idea, but it would have to be very carefully done.
     
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    Have real 120 and jewls to wear constantly or when disco'd kind of like stat loss jewls..not sure if jewls even affect the skill when disco, I'd have to test against a satyr..
     
  12. Wenchkin

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    Discoing players might be fun for about 5 mins but I don't think it's a good idea. Players being able to disco each others pets doesn't mean we should have the ability to disco each other.

    Wenchy
     
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    But being able to use bard masteries against/for players does make sense?

    If done correctly it could be very beneficial
     
  14. Winter

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    I don't PvP (well, voluntarily) but I do hunt with my bard/tamer in Felucca. Why shouldn't I be able to use all my skills to defend myself?

    I'm not sure how to balance this, BUT how does that make sense that I can use them on Mobs but not someone who is attacking me?
     
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    Well all my chars live in Fel and among them are tamers, tamer bards and one newer pure bard. I still don't feel any need to disco a player so I can defend myself.

    The most likely reason why we can't disco players is that the devs thought it might not be balanced or fair. I think it would be too much power for bards really. If my tamer bard was able to disco players she'd be a real nuisance in Fel. I know there are some players who believe we should have considerably more power sometimes, I'm just not one of them.

    Disco is useful enough as it is, so I don't see any issue in having the skill restricted to mobs and pets.

    Wenchy
     
  16. Vexxed

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    Lets make it simple...... Stop posting questions with the following words in them.... PvP & Pets
     
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  17. Winter

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    I understand your arguments, I just don't agree with them. As a bard, there's 100 skill points that I can't use to defend myself. I don't want to see discorded skill drops causing lost pets, or anything like that. And discord could be a completely separate effect on players in PvP - maybe more of a HLA effect, or somehow causes "confusion" so that spells don't cast correctly all the time. I know it would be a hard balancing act, but isn't that what developers do?
     
  18. Winter

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    As soon as you stop attacking ME and my PETS in Felucca.
     
  19. Viper09

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    So if putting 100 skill points into a skill means we should have the right to use it against players in PvP then I demand that the devs allow me to use herding on players! Lol
     
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  20. Winter

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    Actually, you can and I have.

    Oh, and you should really try that while stealthing.
     
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    Discording a player essentially means putting them into stat loss in a way,not cool
     
  22. Goldberg-Chessy

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    Its quite simple.

    Pvp = player vs. player

    Discordance is quite obviously a pvm skill and should never be used directly on players. It was originally designed that way and has remained that way ever since.

    Pets are ok in pvp but they sure as hell should come with their disadvantages. Disco is one of them. Deal with it. It makes sense and is how it has always been.

    Are you playing a tamer that is getting killed 1 vs 1 by bards? If so you have much larger issues then the Disco skill my friend :)
     
  23. Wenchkin

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    Tamers often go round with GM + vet though. And that's not going to kill anyone either. In fact you'll find a lot of templates have skills that aren't really offensive. Some are just better for PvM. You can soulstone a better template before you go to Fel. I used to do that all the time, change suit and template, get the stunt pets out, then go hunting in Fel. And of course, after that much prep I never saw a living soul! :D But if it concerns you, swap disco out. If you'd miss the disco then you have your answer - it's worth having even if your template isn't as good in PvP.

    Wenchy
     
  24. Winter

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    In this case the vet skill is a defensive skill that also pertains to PvP or Pvm. So that's not really a good comparison.

    I understand why discord isn't being used in PvP as it is currently used in PvM, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be something different. Remember when Discord was called Enticement and had no real use? It was changed, and so could the current skill. But I'm not suggesting to make it overpowering. Still, we are going to disagree on this, and I don't see the developers making changes anyway.
     
  25. Winker

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    Indeed it did have a use, we used to Entice pets through gates to a place (balron room) the tamer could not use them, Happy days
     
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  26. Viper09

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    Yeah, good fun. But my sarcasm was suggesting that we should be able to herd players :p
     
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