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why do i not leech mana from hitting semidar?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Demonous, Jan 30, 2009.

  1. Demonous

    Demonous Rares Fest Host | Ches Jul 2010
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    i'm trying to solo a semidar with someone healing me

    template is:
    120 swords
    120 tactics
    115 resist
    110 bushido
    100 parry
    85 necro
    70 chiv

    i go into wraith form, cast curse weapon and hit semidar with a long sword that has 50% hit mana leech on it and i do lightning strike over and over, now why am i not leeching mana from hitting it?
     
  2. Viper09

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    Well first question would be:
    "Is there any mana to leech in the first place?"

    Also, mana leech was nerfed a while back so the amount leeched isn't as much as the health you get leeched.
     
  3. Demonous

    Demonous Rares Fest Host | Ches Jul 2010
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    how is it possible to not run out of mana then? ive seen people solo them easily
     
  4. Viper09

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    No idea. Maybe the people soloing semidar have high MR.

    But as long as you are leeching health it should be good.

    Edit: I suggest lowering resist a bit and raise your necro so you can get vamp form ;)
     
  5. Odin of Europa

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    The mana leech for wraith form is tied to SS.

    No SS, no mana leeched .. or very little.
     
  6. Viper09

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    Oh wow, yeah. Didn't notice you didn't have SS.
    Necromancy with no SS is like Magery with no Eval.

    You can cast the spells but the effectiveness sucks horribly.
     
  7. Maggie

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    I do not know how often they update the play guide but it does not match what you are saying.

    Hit Mana Leech - Each time the weapon hits, it will do its normal damage. Then the weapon restores up to 40% of the displayed percentage of the damage dealt as Mana to the weapon's wielder. Note: No Mana is actually removed from the target.

    even without ss you should leech mana from weapon with 50 mana leech

    from source: http://www.uoherald.com/guide/itemproperties_0.php

    According to this how much mana your target has is irrelevant since that does not effect the mana leeched. The amount leeched is based off the damage you deal. However is mana leech from wraith form determined the same way as hit mana leech?

    I tell you I play a necro and there are some creatures I just dont leech from. Spiders and generals being ones that come to mind quickly. This doesnt really answer your question but I think some of the info useful.
     
  8. Ender

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    Because mana leech from wraith form with no SS is like... a fraction of a percent. And curse weapon lasts for like one hit at 0 SS. As to why you're not gaining mana with a 50% mana leech weapon.... How much damage do you do per hit?
     
  9. Demonous

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    do u think 50 ss is enough
     
  10. Splup

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    Human 20 SS is enough, especially if you have some manaleech on ur wep too.
     
  11. Setnaffa

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    SS or not, he has HML 50% on his weapon. He should be getting at much as 20% of his damage back as Mana with each hit.
     
  12. Viper09

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    It's whatever you think is enough. I would just say go all the way to gm. There are calculations that can show you how much difference it can do at certain levels but I can't find them right now.
     
  13. Restroom Cowboy

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    Carry pots...get some EP...and backpack a trapped box. Once you start doing that, drop resist for SS. Since you dont have med...I would at least get 7MR. (RBC and at least two other MR2 pieces)
     
  14. Typically wraith versions have no Chiv. You only need 60 Necro for wraith & curse weapon.

    I would think this would be better suited:
    120 swords
    90 tact
    120 bush
    120 parry
    100 resist (mana vamp)
    60 necro
    110 ss

    Use of Feint will likely help.

    The mana you drain in wraith form can run out, the mana leech on weapon should as someone say equal 20% of your damage.

    Edit: Just read you're using a long sword, I wouldn't think you can swing fast enough with that to do semidar. I suspect you used it's specials.
     
  15. Smokin

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    I think this is broken with some weapons, my fencer leaches mana very fast and easy but my archer who has the same amount on his weapon does not leach very much or often. The only thing it might be also that so many people are leaching it that the monster is out of mana, but it is usually casting spells so I don't think its that. I think they need to look into it, guess I have to do some tests and see if its working right.

    The weapons I am comparing are a composite bow and leaf blade.
     
  16. Leeches are halfed again for Archery. So it's the number on the weapon as a % of 20% of your damage. The number on the weapon is also how often it's likely to happen. If you had 100% hit mana leech on a bow it would leech 20% of your damage every hit.

    Also the target being out of mana only applies to wraiths leech ability (which his wasn't working with 0 ss), for weapon leeches and vamp form it's converting melee damage into whichever leech.
     
  17. Ailish

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    Another thing to think of: Even if you are hitting well over 100 hp per swing, if you hit your specials too close you WILL run out, even with high leeches. I use an ornate with 46 or so HML and I will still run out when doing heavy damage if I do not leave one "no special" swing between. Mana cost is doubled if you do a 2nd special within X time of doing the last.

    Also, human 20 SS is NOT enough for sufficient leech from wraith ... its like having none at all. The higher your SS, the better the leech. Most Necro/Dexers DO have Chiv, but not resist, and most I know of only use 50 necro.
     
  18. 3 seconds.

    40 Necro gives you 100% success at curse weapon.
    60 Necro gives you 100% success at wraith form.
     
  19. Kith Kanan

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    Also wraith form only leeches mana if there is mana to leech , it differs from mana leech on weapons in that way.....