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Why I live in Fel, and why a classic shard is pointless

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Thav12, Apr 11, 2010.

  1. Thav12

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    Yes, a double post. I posted this in the new Fel Forum also

    I admit, I was a total Trammi one day. I have played for more than a decade with a hiatus here and there, so anyone screaming at me that I don't know the game the way it used to be is a fool and a half. Although I totally enjoyed the thrill of the game back then, it also was ultimately prohibitive for total enjoyment of the game for which I was paying money to play. I have never been able to be a power gamer, due to the acceptance in my life that the real part is more important than the fictive game part. As a result, my character development in game has not been as expedious as some of the other people on the shard that I play. While I was whacking bunnies, or grinding away at a mountain side to get some ingots, to gain some skill or to make some gold, I died. Not from the occasional orc, but by the hands of my fellow shardians who then next danced on my corpse and called me noob, rezzed me, and repeated that a few times. My capital gain for that day would be zero, with a free dose of frustration mixed with a condition requiring beta blockade. It was not that the person killing me was smarter, tactically more advanced or anything else, I was just not as 7331 as they were. Then came trammel, and trammel is why I ended up playing this game for a decade.

    I will not lie. I always dreamed of exacting revenge and being part of the PvP community. I used excuses such as "speed hackers", "scripters" and such freely. Now that nobody uses numbers for letters anymore, and only truly dedicated old farts play uo, i have finally been able to collect gear, scrolls and finish my templates to be able to enjoy the game to its fullest. Judging from my fellow guild members, there are so many people like me still out there... and although I am sure there are nice scripts out there, it really does not matter all that much, despite my crying wolf before...

    And guess what? I now have both my houses in Fel. Love the additional free spirit that comes with living in Fel. I spar with my friends who now also moved their houses to Fel. We go out to champ spawns and get our asses handed to us by well oiled PvP guilds. However, the thrill is back. And, i racked up my own first few murder counts.

    My point is this though: it took me 10 years to get here, 7 if you go by my account age. I still play with the characters I made back in 1999. I would not have done that without Trammel. Yet, I always hoped to be a tough Fel player able to stand my ground. I have grown with this game, and now I find myself right there: in Fel.

    Call me slow, or stupid, or ineffective or any other internet savvy slang you can throw at me. I am though, I think, very representative of the population that is still out there playing this game. I am not a godzillionaire, I have some nice stuff now after all these years. I enjoy repetitive clicking on troglyodytes and demons just as much as anyone out there. But now, finally, i can get back at those power gaming reds that destroyed my bunny whacking, wood chopping ass that had no chance at making it 10 years ago.

    Nostalgia is what it is, nostalgia. And most people screaming for classic rule set shards are just nostalgic. I still am adding new nostalgic memories as often as I can, in the new lands of Felluca. Glad to be there now.

    I wanted this posted in the Felluca forum as one of the new threads, because I want to make sure that people know that this game is awesome, and that Fel is the reason why. Not because it "is" Fel, but because Fel adds such a vast aspect to this game in terms of providing a goal in UO life to so manny trammel dwellers out there. Just like I once was. Glad to hear your opinions on this matter.
     
  2. I think if threads in support of a Classic Shard should be locked, so should threads like this one.
     
  3. Good to know you are happy with the current game.

    Just FYI...no one has suggested changing that. Perhaps if you would actually take the time to read what has been posted, you would understand that, and threads like this one could be avoided.

    Again...NO ONE IS SUGGESTING THAT YOUR CURRENT SHARD OR SHARDS SHOULD BE CHANGED IN ANY WAY SO A CLASSIC SHARD WOULD NOT AFFECT YOU!

    Got it?
     
  4. Thav12

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    you didnt even read it. It is a lot more thoughtful than your response, which is an assinine, arrogant way of knocking someones attempt to contribute.
     
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    Apart from if the mass exodus to the classic shard which the supporters seem to think will happen actually takes place..could possibly have an effect on the other shards..
     
  6. Stewpid

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    Couldn't have said it better myself
     
  7. If that is the will of the players, then what right do you, or anyone else, have to make that decision for them?
     
  8. Thav12

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    You are clearly not reading my post. I did not say anything in favor or against a classic shard, just that in my opinion it is a pointless stance either way. But clearly, you hold the truth. Funny thing is that your new memories in a clasic shard wont be nearly as fun without bunny whacking people like me, who wont be at your new classic shard anyways... At the same time I am arguing that being able to be part of the "fel" like experience is what i have always aspired, from before trammel time. But then again, actually understanding the nuance of my post is asking a bit much, i understand...

    Read before you write please.
     
  9. Kristeen

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    Your keyboard should be locked.
     
  10. The only thing I see that is assinine is someone posting in opposition to something that would not affect them.

    What you are asking for is to LIMIT the choices that other people, paying customers, will have to suit your own specific desires.

    And you call me "arrogant"???
     
  11. What?!

    The name of the thread is Why I live in Fel, and why a classic shard is pointless

    Perhaps you should consider chosing a better title for your threads they do not convey the meaning of your post.

    So...if you won't be playing on it anyway...why do you care what the rest of us do?
     
  12. Okay...so I post something that differs from your desires, so I should be silenced?

    Very nice ... rolleyes:
     
  13. Storm

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    you have been doing the same by spaming every thread you can find
    if someone disagrees you say dont play the shard !
    if the game is so bad why are you playing!
    sheesh get off the soap box rolleyes:
     
  14. Babble

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    You cannot compare Felucca then with Felucca now.
    Before it was with statloss and no item insurance - now it is without statloss and item insurance.

    Personally I went the different way with starting in Felucca and after the developers decided to make Felucca PVP only I decided to move to Trammel.

    A PVP UO only will never survive as like shallow warhammer showed it does not sustain a playerbase without special features.
    An UO with PVM with enhanced pvp options though might have a future and does on freeshards.
     
  15. I'm not. I pay my subscriptions, but I rarely ever log in anymore because I do not care for what they have turned this game into. There are a lot of other players like me. Obviously you are not one of them. That's just fine. Again, no one is asking you to stop doing what you are doing...some of us just want a choice.
     
  16. Derium of ls

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    you enjoy item based games, I enjoy skill based. bottom line. don't say I should play an item based game because you enjoy it.
     
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    same here, I'm paying for my three accounts but I don't play really. only time I do is to buy items, then resell them. in the last seven years I've only killed mongbats are moongates.
     
  18. Thav12

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    This not to be found in my post. I am somewhat impartial to this though, although I think that imbuiing is fantastic. Which would put me more in your camp than your post suggests.
     
  19. Babble

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    So rude said afrter 7 years you went to a pvp server where you cannot lose items, like about a few million WOW players who play on pvp servers too?

    And your argument was?
     
  20. Thav12

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    I wish someone would comment as to the content of my original post. Most people seem to just respond to what they think I wrote.
     
  21. Babble

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    You said you made the slow transition from safe lands to Felucca as you see Felucca an sort of expansion after Trammel?
     
  22. Derium of ls

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    you said UO is awesome, and you enjoy PvP. In order to PvP you MUST have the items with stats to do so. chiv and all the other crap ass skills they added are yet another drain on that IMHO. so yeah, you said the game is awesome in fel for PvP. I think it WAS awesome... in Fel for PvP, dude I co-won the Lake Superior Mage Tower due to PvP, that's how hardcore I was into it, yet I quit all of that after trying to PvP post-AoS in just my trusty kilt and body sash... I lost 99% of my fights cause people has the stats on their side.

    so it goes beyond being nostalgia, it's the fact I was the die hard powergamer who was always PvPing. I'm glad you enjoy the current item based game that is is, but I don't. And trust me, if this crap was not in the game I'd be right along side of you fighting. I had over 100 macros for my mage, now I have ZERO cause all I do is go to luna, buy/sell things then log off.
     
  23. Lord Chaos

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    CAPS LOCK is the autopilot for cool!

    Anyway, classic shards would affect us all, as it would take away a huge amount valuable development time from the regular shards as the devs would have to remake an entirely new UO game from scratch. Not to mention UOA and UOC would have to be redeveloped to work with these special shards.

    Then comes the development time in tweaking and expanding these classical shards, GMs to man them, etc.

    Its going to affect us, that much is a fact. The debate could only be about whether the effect is worth it in the short or long run.
     
  24. Thav12

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    Not what I said. I can deal with all that item loss. But it took me 7 years to be able to say that. Almost everything in this game is ultimately a function of how much time you put in it. A total number of mouse clicks if you will. Problem with that is that it creates a disparity that can not be overcome to create any form of even chance at defense. Thus, a red with uninsured gear and a finished template and a Katana of vanquishing will beat me any time, regardless of anything else. If I repeatedly loose my gear I will not gain much maintaining the status quo. It was trammel that allowed me to catch up, but it took years.
     
  25. Babble

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    Difference is when you died before you used about 2000 gold to get fully equipped then. These days I never bothered to get the full itemset as for me it is too tedious. I prefer the wow system for items where for quests or stasks i am guranteed the rewards and a few million players agreed with me. randomness of UO is just an excuse for lazy development cycles.
     
  26. Vaen Swiftar

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    It's really not that hard to get items now. In fact, it's a lot easier to get top of the line gear in UO than it is in WoW.
     
  27. Thav12

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    In a way I have to agree with this logic. I would not have survived in fel as I am currently surviving if it wasn't for trammel. But that happens at different moments for different players. Maybe call it the next level that I finally unlocked.
     
  28. Derium of ls

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    What makes you more important than us?
     
  29. Babble

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    The scary part is that 4 interns working for half a year to a year could probably do it. And I am doubting developing time for a few years now...so many years, so many suggestions ...only a few working implementations ...or rather we get the newbie programmers of ea before they are let go or let loose on the decent mmos :p
     
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    Morgana, your sounding like you really need a break from these discussions. I'd suggest go see a movie and get your mind off this for a while. The tone of these posts remind me of when I was getting close to losing it completely in the Classic Shard thread around post 700.

    The title of this thread sounds like a tail twister line from a Troll, but the first post doesn't read that way. Get mellow and read it again. It's actually not trollish at all.

    Go sit at an outside table at a stylish tavern & have a cabo after the flick. :)
     
  31. Thav12

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    I do not dissagree. In a non item based game I would have been able to be part of the pvp community sooner. It added extra time and frustration to be part of the item rat race. I don't argue that point what so ever
     
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    only because you can buy it, and to be honest I think I might have to disagree with you. I played WoW pre-BC so let me know if this is no longer true. but I invested about 50-60 hours a week in WoW to get high warlord, after 11 weeks I had the best PvP gear in the game, and death in battlegrounds no longer happened unless it was more then 3 Vs. 1. so it took me about 600 hours of game plus the two days to get to level 60. I'm not sure I could make the billion+ gold it takes for the best gear in UO from scratch on a brand new account and character. Thanks to EM gear now, the best shield sells between 650-900mil, just for your ONE item. I make a few billion gold a year, but that's from buying and selling, and I already had the gold to support that.
     
  33. Thav12

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    I did choose a trollish title for which I am sorry. :)
     
  34. Derium of ls

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    Sorry if it seemed like I was attacking you, just a bit on edge today. And as I said I am honestly happy you enjoy the current game, and to be honest I wish in fel all atris were not able to be used, then we could have the best fo both worlds on the same server. but I know most PvPers have adapted to the item based play like you have, I just was not ever able to overcome that step. I wish I would have, because I'd still be having fun in UO.
     
  35. And I apologize for responding without reading your entire post. :grouphug:
     
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    So maybe you're suggesting that a warning should pop up when players who have not "unlocked" know what they are getting into. Most players who log onto Siege for the first time realize the difference from a prodo shard very quickly. I think what Morgana is getting at is that for those who have "unlocked" there should be a choice to play a classic shard. Really though, you can't comment on a classic shard idea unless you were playing on a regular basis back then. I only have faint memories of that time because I was like 13 when it was going on.
     
  37. Babble

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    One interesting suggestion is newbies been thrown into an open pvp environment.

    Siege actually had a good idea by creating NEW which helped newbies get established. The idea was so good that they continue it in Darkfall an open PvP game it seems.

    Such guilds actually existed before they made Haven newbie player only and in some sort of way still exist. I gave up my helping newbies then as EA did it and moved on.

    But that is something the community itself can decide and needs no part on the developers.
     
  38. Thav12

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    Well. I did play back then, more actually than I do now. I was twice your age at least back then. I think for as far as my opinion on a classic shard goes, I am just concerned that nostalgia for something past drives a movement that may never come to realize a shard to be the way it was. Not for lacking good intent, but for lacking the same circumstances. There are a lot of people around like me, for whom it took a long time to be able to participate on equal footing. The power players will end up with a classic shard with few cannon fodder. This will result in yet another stalling situation, with the only difference that you will be smithing a lot of plate armor in stead of playing for silver or gold to insure or buy. There are more nuances to this debate. This is an important aspect though.
     
  39. omgmir

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    I'm glad you enjoy Fel today, that's great. However the Fel of today bears little to no resemblence whatsoever to what a classic shard would be.

    I'm glad you enjoy your PvP in fully insured suits of neon dyed artifacts, I probably will as well when I can afford to do it. However that's not the purpose of a classic shard, they really have nothing in common.
     
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    Lets break down your concerns...

    Development Time - Yes that's a valid one, but only to a point if they are going to "Stop at Publish (X)" then after that he Server is on Auto-Pilot minus bug fixes or if need be balancing tweaks.

    UOA and UOC - Invalid concern, they are not going to have to make a new "Client" just a new server, all the old data for client side is pretty much still there, you aren't going to be changing the API's that UOA and UOC use. Changes will be minimal at most like possibly adding "Enticement" back to the skills list.

    GM's - Dude you think UO had dedicated GM's now? It doesn't UO shares GM staff with DAoC already and I wouldn't be surprised if it shares with Warhammer also.

    Face it, UO is gearing down in preparation to enter "Zombie Mode". Do the Math, reductions in Dev Staffing, EM's handling Live Events, major pushes to stop Scripts and Speeders being finally focused on, talk of a "Classic Shard" by Mythic staff, and a Shared GM team, even the [replica] items can be taken as a sign, all those would total up to a game preparing for minimal support in the future. Funny part is the Devs would never admit it, EA will slowly sink us into that phase.
     
  41. Thav12

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    Nothing you state has any bearings on what I wrote. You missed every point I was making. Probably my fault for not making it easier to understand what I was trying to say.
     
  42. I guess I'm becomming one of these people who post in every thread so this will be my last one.

    Awesome you enjoy PvP and such now and you might actual love it with a classic ruletset now that you understand the game a lot better then you did 7 years prior to you living in fel.

    The bottom line is this. For EA, the only way to increase the playerbase in the game (even by a few thousand players) is to drop a classic server. The game eventually will be closed for good and it would really nice for a lot of us (and believe me there are a lot) to get to enjoy the game the way we love it before it gets taken down. Also it would probably sit well the eyes of the origional gaming community for them to do a classic server. I mean, after tons left the game at the release of AoS, tons left after and 50% of the people who play seem to be unhappy and so many were totally unimpressed with Warhammer, it might be a good gesture ;p lol

    For the players, if you a really worried about your servers becomming ghosts towns if a new server with a classic ruleset is dropped, doesn't that show you that a lot of people actually are in favor of the idea? What EA should do, if they decide to do this, is merge a bunch of the old servers together. Saves them money in the long run and keeps that players playing the current ruleset happy. Just a suggestion as I know nothing about programming, or server costs or anything like that.

    Anyways, folks seem to be repeating themselves on this board over and over again in different threads. ( I'm starting to do the same)

    For the most part, I've said my piece and a lot of you have already too. Just remember, the majority of the people that would play are not posting on these forums, do not read these forums and have no idea that a classic server is even up for discussion with EA.
     
  43. That's a good idea Tanivar. But I think I need more than a short break from it. I sent some of you Classic Shard guys a PM. I think I am going to bow out for a while. You guys let me know if anything changes.
     
  44. dum3886

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    U didn't even answer why a classic shard is pointless? All you mentioned was that u live in fel and u suck at the game... w t f lol.

    There is not one point in his entire essay that refers to why a classic shard is pointless. he has mentioned...

    1. He didn't like the system before and wanted trammel/insurance (ok i am making assumptions here but i am pretty sure i am on the right track).

    - I am all for trammel bcz i tink more people will be up for it... i personally just want the old gamingstyle back i.e: skill based not fricken item based... but i am 100% against insurance bcz why do we need it if our armour only costs like 25k lol

    2. He wants revenge but has never gotten it.
    3. He lives in fel so that he can duel with his neighbour.... u can just go to a moongate and meet somewhere.
    4. He likes to go to champ spawns but always loses them bcz he doesn't know how to pvp.
     
  45. Thav12

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    Troll. It was not what my post is about. Do I need to explain it to you. My bad for making the story too subtle. Read it first. Think for a second, then reply.
     
  46. Same here. but, I've killed a Great Heart!
     
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    I'm so going to go out and kill a bear to one up you!! :)
     
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    Dumb 3886:

    all funny ways to restate what I already assumed some dumb guy would reply. Most of your ubernessleetisch I win you suck attitude is however derived from the simple formula: time played x mouse clicks per minute = power. To state that this game is difficult and that I don't get it is possibly true, but hardly to the point.

    If you don't understandy post and are waiting to explain it to you, tough luck.


    What I will tell you though is that perhaps a message is not always burried in a single sentence and may require comprehension of a paragraph, a series of paragraphs and sometimes even a book.

    I play this game very effectively and have done so over more than a decade. I enjoy it under whatever ruleset. The imbalances of this game are just not simply reversed by going back to a time when "all was good". Things evolved for a reason. The adjustments may not have been the best choice at the moment in everyones eyes. The ultimate outcome of this evolution is however that you and I still are able to play the same game. In my post I reflect back what I know to be the sentiment of a lot of people that I play with is at the moment.

    I am not for or against a classic shard. I am simply pointing out that if you think all the consequences through you may be surprised to find that the imbalances that existed back then that forced the changes and evolution of this game still exist. You may then change the subsequent evolution from that point on, but you would have no idea if it will work any better. One big thing is that a lot of the more casual players, and I am one of those will no be there to prey upon or participate in your economy. Why would I? Only to be gabled again because I don't click my mouse bitten as often as you do? Rule set and item based vs not is not what this about. Maybe this is too difficult to understand though?
     
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    That is one of the biggest reasons i would rather not see a classic shard. I believe the already slim populations on most servers will thin out even more, to the point, that normal servers will be so dead it won't even be fun playing. There are just way to many low population shards.
     
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    I understand that, but the way I see it is UO has always been about freedom... Freedom to do whatever you want in the game. I think we the players should also have the freedom to decide the type of server to play on. If production kills classic, so be it, if classic kills production so be it. At least the majority will rule. It was the majortiy that cried for Tram, so if that still holds true, then your server should be just fine :)