1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Greetings Guest!!

    In order to combat SPAM on the forums, all users are required to have a minimum of 2 posts before they can submit links in any post or thread.

    Dismiss Notice

Why idoc?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Noryiscool, Mar 27, 2015.

  1. Noryiscool

    Noryiscool Adventurer

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2015
    Messages:
    27
    Likes Received:
    7
    So i was playing siege and left the game for a while, come back and my house and junk is gone which deosnt bother me so much but can see how this may turn return players off. Imagine you played seven years and came back to nothing.

    My suggestion is instead of idocing houses you deed them for a while if a return player comes back his house is and junk is deeded and make him jump through a couple of hoops to get the shabang back. He is happy, new people can place, its a win win.
     
  2. Kirthag

    Kirthag Former Stratics Publisher
    Professional Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend Campaign Benefactor Evergreen

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    Messages:
    4,269
    Likes Received:
    1,640
    interesting concept... similar to GW2 I hear.
     
  3. Captn Norrington

    Captn Norrington Trade Forum Administrator
    Moderator Professional Campaign Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2012
    Messages:
    10,685
    Likes Received:
    8,769
    Shroud of the Avatar uses the same system.
     
  4. Kirthag

    Kirthag Former Stratics Publisher
    Professional Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend Campaign Benefactor Evergreen

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    Messages:
    4,269
    Likes Received:
    1,640
    Sortof... everything from a destroyed house in SotA goes into the players "bank" and believe you me, that can get very messy! Besides, kinda hard to compare SotA which is still in development and features like that can change on a whim.

    There are some issues I can see with "putting everything into a deed" per se. A lot of items are, themselves, containers. What will happen with the items in the container? And what about raised gardens full of plants with resources on them - or items on a particular house that are not bound to that account and other items a co-owner might have secured/locked that the actual house owner cannot access (lighthouse, certain vet rewards, etc.).

    There's a whole lot of variables involved.
     
    Acid Rain and Captn Norrington like this.
  5. azmodanb

    azmodanb Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2004
    Messages:
    5,912
    Likes Received:
    1,186
    Its the price you pay for not paying for your account.

    That being said yeah its a huge bummer.. Caused my wife to stop playing when our two houses fell when i missed the 90 day mark by a week years ago. We had not played in years and were playing the 90 day rule.

    I messed up and i still play because well accidents happen. Plus we had both banked our most presious items..

    ...

    Above being stated. I would not mind all your items being tossed into a moving crate on one of ur chars banks. If it keeps people playing and not rage quitting Im for it. BUT then of course you have others quitting because EA killed there fun of idoc.

    You can't really win.. Someone always rage quits... Lol
     
  6. Queen Arya

    Queen Arya Rares Fest Host | Atl Sept 2011 & June 2013
    Governor Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2009
    Messages:
    1,203
    Likes Received:
    445
    Items that are several years old in your bank box? Will they even be worth storing?
    First thing upon returning..... place a trash barrel and toss it all?
     
    azmodanb likes this.
  7. Zosimus

    Zosimus Grand Inquisitor
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2004
    Messages:
    4,370
    Likes Received:
    720
    I think you meant DaoC.


    We don't have housing in GW2. I'm telling Ron on you! :p


    We have home instances






    *
     
    Acid Rain likes this.
  8. Yadd of Legends

    Yadd of Legends Certifiable
    Campaign Supporter

    Joined:
    May 18, 2012
    Messages:
    1,873
    Likes Received:
    1,019
    I quit twice and lost two houses and was not surprised I had to start over when I came back each time. In fact, starting from scratch again is part of the challenge. I was quite glad to see my characters we're still there; that was a pleasant surprise.
     
    Shady Ghost and azmodanb like this.
  9. utilitron

    utilitron Adventurer

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2015
    Messages:
    42
    Likes Received:
    26
    I would much rather see ICDOCs used in a more storied way.
    Instead of collasping, an evil mage moves in and starts spawning hordes of undead minions. Once the mage is destroyed the magical field falls and the house is reduced to rubble. (think the destruction of Magincia)
    At that point, all the items (including pieces on the house) are released and are available for the taking. (With the exception of account bound items which would be moved to the player's bank.)
     
  10. Zosimus

    Zosimus Grand Inquisitor
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2004
    Messages:
    4,370
    Likes Received:
    720

    That is what bank storage is for. I mean housing plots can be found easily so no house deed is needed. It be a code nightmare for the devs to be able to redeed every item in the game just because a player decided to quit.

    There is a difference when it comes to these discussions You have players that quit. They know they are going to quit so they have a choice. To bank their items on all chars and bank boxes. OR they can just quit with no intentions of coming back. Now if they do the second option and do come back then that fault is theirs and theirs alone. The key word is choice and that depends on what the player does with that choice.

    Then you have the players that gamble the 90 days. Which is now 94 days and 22 hours if I am correct. They take that gamble knowing that UO can be glitchy or messed up and take a loss if it does happen. They usually win most of the time and only pay 4 times a year to keep their items versus a player who is supporting the game every month. So they are knowingly taking a gamble so as I already stated above....It be a code nightmare for the devs to be able to redeed every item in the game just because a player decided to gamble with the housing timer and decay.

    Then you have the player who gets screwed by the site because it rejected their CC or something similar even though they pay monthly and keep their stuff updated. This I can agree when its the company fault, not the player. Only suggestion is game time is safer to use and more secure than CC until EA or BS can get a working billing system. So since it would be 100% EA or whoever fault, not the player, then a player should be fully compensated for their losses.
     
  11. S_S

    S_S Certifiable
    The Squirrel Empire

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2012
    Messages:
    1,973
    Likes Received:
    1,236
    We have the ability to store 150 or more items in our bank, 125 items in our packs, and another 125 items on a beetle that we can log out on. We can do this per char. That's 400 x 6 = 2400 items that can be stored if someone decides to leave for awhile. Let idocs stay.
     
  12. Shady Ghost

    Shady Ghost Adventurer

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2015
    Messages:
    71
    Likes Received:
    29
    I could see this being used to grief people way too often for it to be a popular mechanic. But it is a cool idea.
     
  13. Kirthag

    Kirthag Former Stratics Publisher
    Professional Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend Campaign Benefactor Evergreen

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    Messages:
    4,269
    Likes Received:
    1,640
    okok... I don't play GW2 or DAoC.. :p UO fan, remember? :p

    Thanks @Zosimus :hula:
     
  14. petemage

    petemage Seasoned Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2013
    Messages:
    460
    Likes Received:
    328
    Only UO players can honestly find it a fair workaround to aquire 7 pets, splitting up all your stuff into 7 equal piles and then distributing it over 7 characters instead of gettings things done with one click. Because we are used to the grind anyway.. :D
     
  15. S_S

    S_S Certifiable
    The Squirrel Empire

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2012
    Messages:
    1,973
    Likes Received:
    1,236
    Of course there is a one click way.... click this: PAY button! Problem solved.
     
    OREOGL and azmodanb like this.
  16. The Craftsman

    The Craftsman Lore Master
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 14, 2008
    Messages:
    1,065
    Likes Received:
    678
    Maybe they should delete all characters after 90 days too? Why should they remain if youre not paying for them?
     
  17. Yadd of Legends

    Yadd of Legends Certifiable
    Campaign Supporter

    Joined:
    May 18, 2012
    Messages:
    1,873
    Likes Received:
    1,019
    I think that's them giving you an incentive to come back and start paying again. No other reason they should keep them, but it probably does pay off for them.
     
  18. OREOGL

    OREOGL Babbling Loonie
    Professional Campaign Patron

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2014
    Messages:
    2,322
    Likes Received:
    1,457
    A large problem with this game is that people get these insane ideas to "Fix" something that isn't broken. There was nothing with how idocs were until they decided to "fix" it and change it to a random timer.. and then had to "fix" it again. Now its anywhere between 5 to 15 hours with a bunch of crap added to it because people didn't think it was fair.

    Why not cut the extra garbage out and turn it back to the 5 hour fixed timer. It doesn't get any more fair than that. Scripters will be there regardless of what time it falls.

    If you don't want to lose your stuff when you leave put it in banks and characters or splurge and spend the extra 13.99 every month. A majority probably spend that at Mcdonalds every month anyways.
     
  19. OREOGL

    OREOGL Babbling Loonie
    Professional Campaign Patron

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2014
    Messages:
    2,322
    Likes Received:
    1,457
    This is called false reasoning. This never happened to begin with.
     
    Goldberg-Chessy likes this.
  20. The Craftsman

    The Craftsman Lore Master
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 14, 2008
    Messages:
    1,065
    Likes Received:
    678
    True, but just because there was a differentiation between characters and houses from the onset it doesnt mean that its the correct or best policy. All Im saying is if houses go poof why not characters also. Or make houses remain as characters do ... thats an additional incentive to return if your house and stuff is still there
     
  21. OREOGL

    OREOGL Babbling Loonie
    Professional Campaign Patron

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2014
    Messages:
    2,322
    Likes Received:
    1,457
    Well, given the history of UO, if they had left houses remain when an account was inactive over 3 months, many of the subscribing players would have been jipped because all housing spots were full.

    I understand it may be a little different now as half of the facets lay empty, but it isn't quite so black and white or in this case all or nothing which certainly isn't best policy.

    I'd be okay with extending the inactive time to say 4 or 5 months, but then we can't turn around and blame people for using houses on inactive accounts.
     
  22. slugmaster

    slugmaster Adventurer
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2005
    Messages:
    56
    Likes Received:
    2
    I think it's easy, some times the only thing that kept me paying was that I had a castle and a Luna shop, until I decided to sell the gold and leave the game for good, 13€ is way too much for such an old game, even if it's still the best.
     
  23. SpyderBite

    SpyderBite Sage
    Stratics Veteran VCS

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    748
    Likes Received:
    340
    GW2 doesn't have housing and nothing is erased ever. Characters, stuff, achievements. GW2 does not penalize players for taking a break regardless of how long they are absent.
     
  24. SpyderBite

    SpyderBite Sage
    Stratics Veteran VCS

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    748
    Likes Received:
    340
    Btw.. This would never have been an issue if UO had gone with instanced housing like EQ2 did. But meh.. They took a chance on something inventive and it eventually came back to bite them in a way that can't be remedied.
     
  25. Kirthag

    Kirthag Former Stratics Publisher
    Professional Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend Campaign Benefactor Evergreen

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    Messages:
    4,269
    Likes Received:
    1,640
    got it... i was thinking of doac - but i don't play either of those games so was just talking hearsay. :-S