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Why nerf potions before fixing Speed Hacking?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by rwek, Feb 2, 2009.

  1. rwek

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    I don't understand their priorities. Can someone enlighten me. Or am I going to be forced to speed hack to compete?
     
  2. CKTC

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    more than likely the latter
     
  3. Gellor

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    Odds are they can't do anything about the latter so they are attempting to fix the former:spider:
     
  4. Turdnugget

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    Transformer.

    Why do they do half the things they do?

    It's a mystery in itself.
     
  5. ColterDC

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    What are you talking about bro??? They just addressed cheating in UO!!!!

    "Is it cheating to use horde minions to loot the gold in the champ spawn?"

    No, that’s what they do, pick up items on the ground.
    -Mesanna


    See cheating has been taken care of, there are no cheaters.

    \sarcasm
     
  6. spoonyd

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    The only potion needing a nerf is Cures. With the ability to spam those with no timer, poisoning is becoming a useless skill in PvP. There has always been a timer on Heal potions which is perfectly fair. Seems like they got their wires crossed on this one.
     
  7. DHMagicMan_1

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    They can't fix speed hacking so that which they can't fix, they ignore.

    They can nerf potions so they did.

    Not too difficult to understand if you think like a Mythic Employee.
     
  8. Fink

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    What was the potion nerf? I haven't used any in ages.
     
  9. slayer888

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    Fix Auto target program.

    I am tired of getting targetted by 5 people at the SAME second.

    I am tired of getting targetted by someone who just run down the screen after 0.5 second while i am running around still could attack me.

    How could a person possible know I am there without even the screen loaded for him??
     
  10. Ender

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    They don't need to fix speedhacking, they just need to watch people when paged, and ban if they're moving too fast.
     
  11. Kaleb

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    Sure if they can find out how they can get past the server speed cap. Most of these "speedhacking" programs are just tools to overclock your client (or any other program)and cant really break the server speed cap. What makes it appear that they are moving faster is it makes the client basicly lag free, reactions are quicker but breaking the server cap it is not doing, thats why EA hasnt done anything yet they havnt seen anyone break that cap. To break it the program has to mess with the server code any 3rd party program that messes with the server code is detectable and thats where people get banned.
     
  12. BloodstoneGL

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    Hence why they should analyze the speed someone runs at on a high end computer with an extremely low ping and cap the speed at their movement.
     
  13. Turdnugget

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    I'd like to see what these people actually ping when they 'claim' to ping only 12, and what kind of connection/computer they have... Yet they never say =/
     
  14. ColterDC

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    I'd also like to see their computers and ping.....

    I find it hard to believe that some kid living in Hawaii who works at a grocery store is running a $5000 machine with a lower ping than me.

    That's what they always tell you right, that they have some awesome computer and a top of the line internet connection, yet they rarely, if ever, go to work and their job pays them barely above minimum wage.
     
  15. rwek

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    It's possible to poing 12ms. I do with the exception of the lag spikes.

    I live in virginia, so I am just down the road about...120 miles from DC.


    As posted in other threads, there is a hop close to the ea server that fairly regularly going to 240ish ping, with high packet loss...then it fixes itself and then..well it lags again.


    But, a good pc with 12 MS, won't compete with the speed hacks. It's a noticible difference in speed and anyone who pvps will tell you most people run it.


    So yes, perhaps the problem is the cap is too high, even for someone with a good pc and a great connection. There for the only way to actually hit the cap is to cheat with a client speed hack.



    I'm not shocked by any cheating, it's gone on since the game started in 98/99. But yes I feel the community needs to regularly ask publicly for fixes. Other games are plagued with cheats, but in my experience they get fixed in a timely fashion.
     
  16. ColterDC

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    That's exactly it, if the "average" player pings somewhere around 25 to their closest shard, then that is what the cap should be.

    There are only a small handful of legit players who ping under 25 without the use of 3rd party programs. In fact most people I know who have a fairly new computer and a standard cable connection are pinging around 50.
     
  17. Black Majick

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    What are they doing to potions??? I must have missed this.....will suck they nerf them to not worth using as I just bought like 35k potions.....
     
  18. Black Majick

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    Where I live in SW oklahoma...I ping around 60 to both east and west coast servers...play west coast as where I started....that would fix speed hacking issues....set the serverside speed cap at a better rate....25-40??? Yes the folks with there uber connections who like like right next too the server will *****....mainly because they dont have the speed advantage anymore and there "skills" never really were skills...they were just speed.....
     
  19. Diomedes Artega

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    I'm not a big potion advocate, but the greater heal potions they had fixed a timer to them so you can't spam them over and over.

    The timer was drastic enough for a person that used to rely on them that they can pretty easily die now without another reliable healing means.

    I'm not positive as to what the count was, but it is something like a 10 second delay now.
     
  20. Splatter666

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    they should make a delay for all kind of pots like they did on GH-Pots. Without using Pots u have that little chance to stay alife atm in PvP because every second PK or Fac guy is palying a "Dismount-all-kill" noob. What will a dismountet player do against a Greater dragon???
    Than they need to make a delay on commanding Pets in PvP or a larger delay on dismount or so.
    But dont make that kind of **** on pots.
    Its good for all so why chance more than needed? there more than enough other BIGGER problems in UO.
     
  21. rwek

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    Potion thread this was not...but....The next patch is going to have a no use timer and or diminishing returns for potions as well as special weapon styles.




    How do the poison dart things work and sherikans (spelling way off). Do these use a special ability (which will get diminishing returns) or will someone be able to constantly deadly poison and yet others can't use continues greater cure potions??
     
  22. Turdnugget

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    Shurikens/darts are based on ninjitsu skill. There is a timer between uses.

    However, you can throw a dart, then use a star. But the star is for distance throwing, and a dart you gotta be within a tile or two. So doing them back to back would be hard. I think there is a 3-4 second timer in between the use of one type of dart/star.

    Even at 120 ninjitsu you're not guaranteed a poison each time. You can throw 3-4 darts and still not get the person poisoned and only hit them for 1 damage.

    I don't see why darts/stars would need a nerf too seeing as how they doing hit with poison every time, like with the poison special on weapons.

    The funny thing about the speed issue, is when you've got a whole guild claiming they ping 12ish...Unless they're a bunch of nerd friends IRL who live close to each other and close to the server... I don't see how this can happen.

    I'm sure most guilds don't ALL live near each other (maybe some Asian shards yes) yet they all ping uber low. When I play on my lunch break at work, we've got a T1 line that I play on and typically ping around 38/40. I've been accused of using speeder. And I play on my laptop, a Dell Inspiron 6000. Nothing great...

    I wish there was a way that EA could post actual pings of players so we can see who's fulla bullschwank. :lick:
     
  23. Diomedes Artega

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    Well, especially with larger shards as well. A guild I used to be in had players from England, Australia, New Zealand lol, and I'm not sure where else. Almost had more foreign soil players than American/Canadian players.
     
  24. LordNoximos

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    There is no such thing as a "targetting program", welcome to reality.

    You people tell EAMythic how to fix speed hacking, or just continue to spout the cries of a lesser PVPer.

    "I died because you cheat." :hahaha:
     
  25. ColterDC

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    Try spending 5 minutes googling......amazing what you can find.

    I'd take everything this guy says with a large bag of salt.

    Typical cheater claiming everyone else just sucks and it's not all the cheats they're running that give them their skillz.
     
  26. LordNoximos

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    My man, do you even PVP? You find a "targeting script" that works without the assistance of "AN ILLEGAL CLIENT" (Which is detect/ban), I'll give you my entire account all 3 suits castle etc.

    Also, me cheating? You can kiss the hairiest part of my bottom, I don't need to cheat to be leet. :gun:
     
  27. Nystul

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    These people are idiots.

    I bet they cry when trying to play FPS online.
     
  28. ColterDC

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    Yeah no one cheats in PvP......how foolish of me.

    To bad I've been in your TS, among many others, listening to all you so called "leet" players discuss all the 3rd party crap you're running.
     
  29. LordNoximos

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    All mine? What teamspeak? Because the only TS I've ever been in, was about 3 or 4 years ago, & I highly doubt you got in there bud. I don't mean to turn this thread into an argument, but this ignorance is just too incredible to ignore.
     
  30. Gellor

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    Targeting script? Couldn't claim there isn't one since it would be pure simplicity to implement a targeting sync type application/script.

    As for the other claims of speed hacks or other scripts, I've seen/heard of there use from former guild mates of mine.

    As for what can EA realistically fix, they can really only fix speed hacking and game mechanic issues.

    Speed hack is as simple as a server side cap or check. But this will increase lag.

    They can't easily do anything about all the scripts that don't abuse game mechanics: targeting scripts, resource scripts, community turn in scripts, skill gain scripts, etc. Well, short of forcing everyone to a new client and that will never happen because they can't design a good looking client... SA is third or fourth attempt now? I gave up testing their clients at KR because the graphics were horrid.
     
  31. Sephy

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    if i set my game to max prority in task man, i move faster n game... shud i be banned for that?

    also, people who uber hax will always find a way around it so they shud just make it legal so everyone will run at the same speed coz everyone will speed hax..