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Why were REDs left out of this event?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Guest, Apr 10, 2008.

  1. Guest

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    As we were told, think of this moonglow as a time, and not a place. So, why were Reds, "as usual" not allowed to partisipate in this event?

    A lot of players MAIN is Red, and they pay the same $12.99 as everyone else does, and being RED was part of the how the game was Created, so why do they always get the shaft? You can't attack another player anyway, so let them partisipate in ALL the game, and not just the tiny portion they have now.
     
  2. Guest

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    As we were told, think of this moonglow as a time, and not a place. So, why were Reds, "as usual" not allowed to partisipate in this event?

    A lot of players MAIN is Red, and they pay the same $12.99 as everyone else does, and being RED was part of the how the game was Created, so why do they always get the shaft? You can't attack another player anyway, so let them partisipate in ALL the game, and not just the tiny portion they have now.
     
  3. I agree, there is one place where reds participate in all the events.

    Siege Perilous,
    Its the place to be!
    To kill,
    To loot,
    and most of all,
    To be all we can be!
     
  4. I agree, there is one place where reds participate in all the events.

    Siege Perilous,
    Its the place to be!
    To kill,
    To loot,
    and most of all,
    To be all we can be!
     
  5. Guest

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    <blockquote><hr>

    As we were told, think of this moonglow as a time, and not a place. So, why were Reds, "as usual" not allowed to partisipate in this event?

    A lot of players MAIN is Red, and they pay the same $12.99 as everyone else does, and being RED was part of the how the game was Created, so why do they always get the shaft? You can't attack another player anyway, so let them partisipate in ALL the game, and not just the tiny portion they have now.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Because Kronos set up his machine in Trammel. Not Felucca. And therefor, Trammel Moonglow was frozen in time, not Felucca.

    You know, I find it funny. I love PKing people. I had a red for many years. And I was right there, with all the reds, and all the PKs, and all the Felucca guilds, when every Trammy and his mother would post, "Bring powerscroll champ spawns to trammel!" No, they belong in Felucca.

    Well guess what? Some events are better run in Trammel, especially with the large masses of people. Yes, you pay your monthly fee. And with that monthly fee, comes a numerous amount of character slots.

    Make use of them.
     
  6. Guest

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    <blockquote><hr>

    As we were told, think of this moonglow as a time, and not a place. So, why were Reds, "as usual" not allowed to partisipate in this event?

    A lot of players MAIN is Red, and they pay the same $12.99 as everyone else does, and being RED was part of the how the game was Created, so why do they always get the shaft? You can't attack another player anyway, so let them partisipate in ALL the game, and not just the tiny portion they have now.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Because Kronos set up his machine in Trammel. Not Felucca. And therefor, Trammel Moonglow was frozen in time, not Felucca.

    You know, I find it funny. I love PKing people. I had a red for many years. And I was right there, with all the reds, and all the PKs, and all the Felucca guilds, when every Trammy and his mother would post, "Bring powerscroll champ spawns to trammel!" No, they belong in Felucca.

    Well guess what? Some events are better run in Trammel, especially with the large masses of people. Yes, you pay your monthly fee. And with that monthly fee, comes a numerous amount of character slots.

    Make use of them.
     
  7. Guest

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    There's got to be some consequences left for going red. What would you suggest they be?
     
  8. Guest

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    There's got to be some consequences left for going red. What would you suggest they be?
     
  9. Guest

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    If lord british were here he would behead your red, and you wouldnt be allowed in town if you had a bounty out for you.
     
  10. Guest

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    If lord british were here he would behead your red, and you wouldnt be allowed in town if you had a bounty out for you.
     
  11. Storm

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    because if they made reds able to play they would sit back on there arses and wait for the good guys to do the hard work then kill them and take there loot compare the ratio of blue to red hmm do the math make a few unhappy or 3/4 of the game or more unhappy pretty easy to figure out
    would have been more fair though to do on bolth fel and tram
     
  12. Storm

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    because if they made reds able to play they would sit back on there arses and wait for the good guys to do the hard work then kill them and take there loot compare the ratio of blue to red hmm do the math make a few unhappy or 3/4 of the game or more unhappy pretty easy to figure out
    would have been more fair though to do on bolth fel and tram
     
  13. Guest

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    I'm actually rather surprised to hear there isn't a Fel version - looking at the world maps (in KR), it looks like Fel has an alternate Moonglow on it, ready to go.
     
  14. Guest

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    I'm actually rather surprised to hear there isn't a Fel version - looking at the world maps (in KR), it looks like Fel has an alternate Moonglow on it, ready to go.
     
  15. Guest

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    <blockquote><hr>

    As we were told, think of this moonglow as a time, and not a place. So, why were Reds, "as usual" not allowed to partisipate in this event?

    A lot of players MAIN is Red, and they pay the same $12.99 as everyone else does, and being RED was part of the how the game was Created, so why do they always get the shaft? You can't attack another player anyway, so let them partisipate in ALL the game, and not just the tiny portion they have now.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Tell ya what, you can have the event(s) in fel, as soon as we get power scrolls in Tram....mmmk?
     
  16. Guest

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    <blockquote><hr>

    As we were told, think of this moonglow as a time, and not a place. So, why were Reds, "as usual" not allowed to partisipate in this event?

    A lot of players MAIN is Red, and they pay the same $12.99 as everyone else does, and being RED was part of the how the game was Created, so why do they always get the shaft? You can't attack another player anyway, so let them partisipate in ALL the game, and not just the tiny portion they have now.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Tell ya what, you can have the event(s) in fel, as soon as we get power scrolls in Tram....mmmk?
     
  17. Guest

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    OHHHHHH geez here we go again with the thread about why were reds not allowed to grief the blues durring an ingame event. I have been playing UO for over 5 years now and every single event ingame wether it be an EA event or a player run event that is held in Fel they are ALWAYS griefed by reds that have nothing better to do than "fish with dynomite" at an event. Reds know that blues that go to events in felluca are not geared up for PVP so the reds come sweeping in and just mow down the blues for easy kills to puff up their egos and create more screen shots to brag about. I think that if you want to participate in events then you should have a blue for that reason. I have a couple of reds for PVP and a few blues for PvM and events and then I have a couple of crafters. Learn to live with the consequences of going red. [​IMG]
     
  18. Guest

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    OHHHHHH geez here we go again with the thread about why were reds not allowed to grief the blues durring an ingame event. I have been playing UO for over 5 years now and every single event ingame wether it be an EA event or a player run event that is held in Fel they are ALWAYS griefed by reds that have nothing better to do than "fish with dynomite" at an event. Reds know that blues that go to events in felluca are not geared up for PVP so the reds come sweeping in and just mow down the blues for easy kills to puff up their egos and create more screen shots to brag about. I think that if you want to participate in events then you should have a blue for that reason. I have a couple of reds for PVP and a few blues for PvM and events and then I have a couple of crafters. Learn to live with the consequences of going red. [​IMG]
     
  19. SixUnder

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    cause man, the last thing they as in ea or osi did for us reds was let us go to banks and enter towns other than bucs and getting gwacked.

    they wont give us anything, just how it is.
     
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    cause man, the last thing they as in ea or osi did for us reds was let us go to banks and enter towns other than bucs and getting gwacked.

    they wont give us anything, just how it is.
     
  21. God forbid there be a penalty for being red...
     
  22. God forbid there be a penalty for being red...
     
  23. RaDian FlGith

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    <blockquote><hr>

    There's got to be some consequences left for going red. What would you suggest they be?

    [/ QUOTE ]No, there really don't need to be consequences for going red. EA could finally wake up and make PvP a REALLY consentual system (like, I don't know, every other MMO out there that has a consentual system), especially since they're trying so desperately to mimic the interfaces of every other MMO.

    Seriously, this whole idea that there even needs to be reds is a bit silly. When I played as an anti-PK way back in the day when it was worth playing, I went red a few times from perfectly legitimate and honorable actions that the game, due to lousy mechanics, deemed murderous.

    Honestly, the system needs a major overhaul, and PvP could be made truly consentual, and THEN they could do away with Felucca as a PvP+ zone, turn Felucca into a truly wonderous and adventurous place, and allow PvP to occur in ANY facet instead of some strange restriction.

    How? A simple flag. "I'm PvP Enabled." We've got guild wars and alliances for those who want to fight specific PvP engagements, but there's no reason a general PvP+ flag couldn't be put in and allow those who want to enjoy wanton PvP to enjoy it anywhere. It does away with silly restrictions, and takes away a LOT of buggy coding too.
     
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    <blockquote><hr>

    There's got to be some consequences left for going red. What would you suggest they be?

    [/ QUOTE ]No, there really don't need to be consequences for going red. EA could finally wake up and make PvP a REALLY consentual system (like, I don't know, every other MMO out there that has a consentual system), especially since they're trying so desperately to mimic the interfaces of every other MMO.

    Seriously, this whole idea that there even needs to be reds is a bit silly. When I played as an anti-PK way back in the day when it was worth playing, I went red a few times from perfectly legitimate and honorable actions that the game, due to lousy mechanics, deemed murderous.

    Honestly, the system needs a major overhaul, and PvP could be made truly consentual, and THEN they could do away with Felucca as a PvP+ zone, turn Felucca into a truly wonderous and adventurous place, and allow PvP to occur in ANY facet instead of some strange restriction.

    How? A simple flag. "I'm PvP Enabled." We've got guild wars and alliances for those who want to fight specific PvP engagements, but there's no reason a general PvP+ flag couldn't be put in and allow those who want to enjoy wanton PvP to enjoy it anywhere. It does away with silly restrictions, and takes away a LOT of buggy coding too.
     
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    Tell ya what, you can have the event(s) in fel, as soon as we get power scrolls in Tram....mmmk?

    [/ QUOTE ]See above post by me... a truly consentual PvP system wouldn't need something special to make it "playable," and then silly things like Khaldun and PowerScrolls attempting to lure people to Felucca could go away, and become truly interesting again.
     
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    Tell ya what, you can have the event(s) in fel, as soon as we get power scrolls in Tram....mmmk?

    [/ QUOTE ]See above post by me... a truly consentual PvP system wouldn't need something special to make it "playable," and then silly things like Khaldun and PowerScrolls attempting to lure people to Felucca could go away, and become truly interesting again.
     
  27. Guest

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    Thats great idea. But sadly it won't ever happen [​IMG]
     
  28. Guest

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    Thats great idea. But sadly it won't ever happen [​IMG]
     
  29. Storm

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    yes then you have the wanna be pvper following you around going im l33t i could kick your @$$ and griefing you all day long ive been here almost since day one i remember what its like i pvped all the time with no choice always someone who is gonna rock my world i think for game play purposes its fine the way it is pvpers have there world we have ours the problem with the pvpers is they only have each other to fight now and thats not near as much fun as killing someone who cant defend themselves you could make resources 100 times the regular amount and you have fun with that ill stay where im at fell can go to well you know what i mean
     
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    yes then you have the wanna be pvper following you around going im l33t i could kick your @$$ and griefing you all day long ive been here almost since day one i remember what its like i pvped all the time with no choice always someone who is gonna rock my world i think for game play purposes its fine the way it is pvpers have there world we have ours the problem with the pvpers is they only have each other to fight now and thats not near as much fun as killing someone who cant defend themselves you could make resources 100 times the regular amount and you have fun with that ill stay where im at fell can go to well you know what i mean
     
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    <blockquote><hr>

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    Tell ya what, you can have the event(s) in fel, as soon as we get power scrolls in Tram....mmmk?

    [/ QUOTE ]See above post by me... a truly consentual PvP system wouldn't need something special to make it "playable," and then silly things like Khaldun and PowerScrolls attempting to lure people to Felucca could go away, and become truly interesting again.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    I hate to disagree but consentual PvP wont work mostly because alot of PKs would hate it. You have a large number of them who only pick fights they know they can win (IE killing a miner trying to get some extra ingots) and avoid ones they have a chance of losing. It would burn them up if some trammy comes along with his pvp turned off and says "no thanx, i'm just here for some frostwood." LOL!
     
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    <blockquote><hr>

    <blockquote><hr>

    Tell ya what, you can have the event(s) in fel, as soon as we get power scrolls in Tram....mmmk?

    [/ QUOTE ]See above post by me... a truly consentual PvP system wouldn't need something special to make it "playable," and then silly things like Khaldun and PowerScrolls attempting to lure people to Felucca could go away, and become truly interesting again.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    I hate to disagree but consentual PvP wont work mostly because alot of PKs would hate it. You have a large number of them who only pick fights they know they can win (IE killing a miner trying to get some extra ingots) and avoid ones they have a chance of losing. It would burn them up if some trammy comes along with his pvp turned off and says "no thanx, i'm just here for some frostwood." LOL!
     
  33. Guest

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    While it is a good idea on the surface, another drawback on it in addition to the others already posted is that we would then have to see more threads by the OP whining then because most people aren't toggled for PvP. [​IMG]
     
  34. Guest

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    While it is a good idea on the surface, another drawback on it in addition to the others already posted is that we would then have to see more threads by the OP whining then because most people aren't toggled for PvP. [​IMG]
     
  35. BadManiac

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    Reds are allowed in town and can res anywhere, shut up and stop whining.
     
  36. BadManiac

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    Reds are allowed in town and can res anywhere, shut up and stop whining.
     
  37. Guest

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    There's got to be some consequences left for going red. What would you suggest they be?

    [/ QUOTE ]Why should there be any consequences?

    The people they attacked and killed consented to PvP by deciding to step through a red moongate. Its not like the old days before Tram you know.

    I also see zero reason that reds couldn't travel to any facet - and be subject to local rules of course.
     
  38. Guest

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    <blockquote><hr>

    There's got to be some consequences left for going red. What would you suggest they be?

    [/ QUOTE ]Why should there be any consequences?

    The people they attacked and killed consented to PvP by deciding to step through a red moongate. Its not like the old days before Tram you know.

    I also see zero reason that reds couldn't travel to any facet - and be subject to local rules of course.
     
  39. Guest

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    Because Reds don't PvM :/. But, maybe they'll fix factions, through this event, somehow. Won't know until Pub 52.
     
  40. Guest

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    Because Reds don't PvM :/. But, maybe they'll fix factions, through this event, somehow. Won't know until Pub 52.
     
  41. You all knew the consequences of being red LONG before you went red.
    You all CHOSE to go red. YOUR decision. Nobody elses.
    So suck it up and live by your own choices.
     
  42. You all knew the consequences of being red LONG before you went red.
    You all CHOSE to go red. YOUR decision. Nobody elses.
    So suck it up and live by your own choices.
     
  43. Emil Ispep

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    <blockquote><hr>

    As we were told, think of this moonglow as a time, and not a place. So, why were Reds, "as usual" not allowed to partisipate in this event?

    A lot of players MAIN is Red, and they pay the same $12.99 as everyone else does, and being RED was part of the how the game was Created, so why do they always get the shaft? You can't attack another player anyway, so let them partisipate in ALL the game, and not just the tiny portion they have now.

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    You answered your own question.. your RED. Look at it this way, you can use ANY bank in Fel now, not just Bucs Den anymore. If it were up to me, it would still be that way, AND you would have to SAIL to Buc's Den, and not recall/teleport.

    Oh you would have perma-stat loss everytime you died too. I would get rid of the red healers for you too. Walk to the Chaos shrine.. thatll give you some time to rethink your evil ways. Hmm what else... OH! you know what makes PERFECT sense? Bankers don't do business IRL with MURDERERS or FELONS, thus if your RED you don't get any item insurance.

    Want a tissue?
     
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    <blockquote><hr>

    As we were told, think of this moonglow as a time, and not a place. So, why were Reds, "as usual" not allowed to partisipate in this event?

    A lot of players MAIN is Red, and they pay the same $12.99 as everyone else does, and being RED was part of the how the game was Created, so why do they always get the shaft? You can't attack another player anyway, so let them partisipate in ALL the game, and not just the tiny portion they have now.

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    You answered your own question.. your RED. Look at it this way, you can use ANY bank in Fel now, not just Bucs Den anymore. If it were up to me, it would still be that way, AND you would have to SAIL to Buc's Den, and not recall/teleport.

    Oh you would have perma-stat loss everytime you died too. I would get rid of the red healers for you too. Walk to the Chaos shrine.. thatll give you some time to rethink your evil ways. Hmm what else... OH! you know what makes PERFECT sense? Bankers don't do business IRL with MURDERERS or FELONS, thus if your RED you don't get any item insurance.

    Want a tissue?
     
  45. <blockquote><hr>

    I agree, there is one place where reds participate in all the events.

    Siege Perilous,
    Its the place to be!
    To kill,
    To loot,
    and most of all,
    To be all we can be!

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Beat me to it. They sure aren't left out on Siege.
     
  46. <blockquote><hr>

    I agree, there is one place where reds participate in all the events.

    Siege Perilous,
    Its the place to be!
    To kill,
    To loot,
    and most of all,
    To be all we can be!

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Beat me to it. They sure aren't left out on Siege.
     
  47. "So, why were Reds, "as usual" not allowed to partisipate in this event? "

    Because they're bad, bad people, and most likely in league with the Shadowlords. [​IMG]
     
  48. "So, why were Reds, "as usual" not allowed to partisipate in this event? "

    Because they're bad, bad people, and most likely in league with the Shadowlords. [​IMG]